Layne Norton - What is the consensus on his status [natural/enhanced]?

[gh15]

Black men do have smaller waists on average which can make a little go a long way.  I find it hard to believe that there are a lot of naturals that look like Layne anywhere but I could be wrong.  I can only speak from where I am and Layne would have won my city's bodybuilding contest against all the juicers.

you actually a good example of fellas that is just as strong,,and if was consistant with drug usage would be stronger and BIGGER than nortom on the same dosages,,somewhere at 200lb at 5% he fight with all the drug intake to be 190-195 at 5%,,,5-10 lb of lean muscle mass IS HUGE DIFF IN BODYBUILDING ,,HUGE!

gh15 approved

[Matt C]

you actually a good example of fellas that is just as strong,,and if was consistant with drug usage would be stronger and BIGGER than nortom on the same dosages,,somewhere at 200lb at 5% he fight with all the drug intake to be 190-195 at 5%,,,5-10 lb of lean muscle mass IS HUGE DIFF IN BODYBUILDING ,,HUGE!

gh15 approved

I hope so! 

Today my blood pressure was 119/63 which is a little lower than usual and my pulse was 64 which is also a little low but lately it has consistently been under 70.  My only concern with steroids would be effects on the heart and fertility.  But my son was conceived in under five tries so my fertility is fine.  As for my blood pressure, I honestly think it is my lack of alcohol consumption which is causing it to be where it is.  I have not had a sip of alcohol since August of 2006 and only around 15 times in my life in the three years before that.  I am most likely going to begin consuming one glass of wine per day but only have I consult with my doctor about it.  I do want to have two more kids so I definitely want to make sure my fertility is in order.

[dyslexic]

I felt so sorry for him and all of his hard work, I just had to give him some muscle so he wouldn't be confused with an Auscwitch victim...

[~UN_$ung~]

I felt so sorry for him and all of his hard work, I just had to give him some muscle so he wouldn't be confused with an Auscwitch victim...

lol.......good editing

[Matt C]

I felt so sorry for him and all of his hard work, I just had to give him some muscle so he wouldn't be confused with an Auscwitch victim...

When I first saw the picture I thought it was real.  It was only really the arms that would be a clear giveaway.  I think that goes to show just what level Layne is at.

[BIG ACH]

I never got why all the hate against Layne?  He's actually a really nice guy, does well in shows, achieved higher education!  What am I missing here?

[Matt C]

I never got why all the hate against Layne?  He's actually a really nice guy, does well in shows, achieved higher education!  What am I missing here?

What "hate"? 

Some people think he is using steroids, other people think he is natural or clean.  How is either opinion a form of "hate"?  The closest I have seen on this thread to anyone hating on Layne is from those who have been upfront about calling him a liar, but that's about it.  Otherwise this thread is just an opinion survey of what people think of his natural status.

[Matt C]

as natural as goodrums sexual orientation

    

[kevcat]

He looks good, but i doubt he juices. His back width and legs arent that great, my backs probably alot better.
That phsique i would say could be natural, its not that massive or anything

[Howard]

What "hate"? 

Some people think he is using steroids, other people think he is natural or clean.  How is either opinion a form of "hate"?  The closest I have seen on this thread to anyone hating on Layne is from those who have been upfront about calling him a liar, but that's about it.  Otherwise this thread is just an opinion survey of what people think of his natural status.

Matt ( and others here), Obviously, some of the liar claims are simple disbelief. BUT, I think it goes much deeper.
If you accept that Layne is natural, you accept he built his size and strength via hard work and basic talent for bodybuilding and power.
Most here know that the top pros and strongest men , all use steroids and related drugs.
Layne is "in your face" proof, that you can build a decent physique and impressive strength WITHOUT drugs.
In addition to that , Layne has gone a different route being a natural pro and magazine column writter.
He made a succes in the bodybuilding world with hard work and a top education.

This flys in the face of the conventional, "freak show" beliefs and threatens the status quo

[dr.chimps]

Another MattC thread devoted to stroking Layne's shaft on the internet!? Come out of the closet, already.   

[Purple Aki]

I hope so! 

Blah, blah, blah.  I am most likely going to begin consuming one glass of wine per day but only have I consult with my doctor about it. Blah, blah, blah

Jesus. Wept.

You might want to consider consuming a glass of man the fuck up, Wendy.

[Howard]

you actually a good example of fellas that is just as strong,,and if was consistant with drug usage would be stronger and BIGGER than nortom on the same dosages,,somewhere at 200lb at 5% he fight with all the drug intake to be 190-195 at 5%,,,5-10 lb of lean muscle mass IS HUGE DIFF IN BODYBUILDING ,,HUGE!

gh15 approved

Look GH15, obviously we all know plenty of famous athletes that lied about their steroid use.
Many of them were pro level record breakers. With all the money and fame to be had from sport these days, it is little wonder that some will cheat and take drugs to win.

Layne Norton is quite different. He isn't trying to beat the NPC or IFBB bodybuilders that use drugs and look bigger.
His example is one that shows just how much muscle and power a hard training man can gain, WITHOUT drugs.

I never said ( nor did Layne) that the biggest pro bodybuilders don't use a lot of drugs.That would be silly.
Why do you feel it impossible to look and lift as Layne does without drugs?
It seems quite reasonable to me, that a hard working guy with some talent for lifting could do what Layne has done without drugs.

[dr.chimps]

Aux contrare...I think that just goes to show what a complete idiot you have to be to make a statement like that.  the more i read of your posts Matt C...the more I realize you must be half retarded.

[Howard]

...and with that pic , we have summed up the entire thread

[Matt C]

Matt ( and others here), Obviously, some of the liar claims are simple disbelief. BUT, I think it goes much deeper.
If you accept that Layne is natural, you accept he built his size and strength via hard work and basic talent for bodybuilding and power.
Most here know that the top pros and strongest men , all use steroids and related drugs.
Layne is "in your face" proof, that you can build a decent physique and impressive strength WITHOUT drugs.
In addition to that , Layne has gone a different route being a natural pro and magazine column writter.
He made a succes in the bodybuilding world with hard work and a top education.

This flys in the face of the conventional, "freak show" beliefs and threatens the status quo

That's true.  I'm just wondering what the consensus is as I think it has shifted with from people generally believing Layne was natural to people generally believing he is enhanced.  On MD most claim they think Layne is natural, on here the opinion is more divided.

Another MattC thread devoted to stroking Layne's shaft on the internet!? Come out of the closet, already.    

Well said!  But I am straight, although to be honest, I probably wouldn't believe me when I say that but I am.  So why do I run a bodybuilding site?  Well, I started it years ago and there is no reason to stop updating it now even though I am not as much of a bodybuilding fan as I used to be.  But I am straight.

Aux contrare...I think that just goes to show what a complete idiot you have to be to make a statement like that.  the more i read of your posts Matt C...the more I realize you must be half retarded.

LOL, where do you guys live where Layne has such an ordinary and attainable physique?  Here is the top three at the last bodybuilding contest in my city of 110,000:



Now do you really think Layne wouldn't have won that contest?  So even though Layne would be the biggest and most ripped person in my city, it's still so obvious to you that Layne's physique is one typical of a natural?

Oh yeah, and then there is me who was just shy of of qualifying for the Ontario Strongman this year but apparently everyone on getbig has a bigger total than me.  

Seriously, someone is bullshitting here and it's not me as I have proven my claims countless times.  It's one thing that people believe Layne when he says he is natural - I myself did not claim anything to the contrary, I was merely trying to figure out the consensus on it.  What I'm saying is that I find it shocking that so many people find his physique to be so obviously natural.  He is bigger and more ripped than every juicer in my city!  Yet he "obviously" looks natural.

So if Layne's physique is so obviously natural, what should a person look like on a basic cycle?

[wes]

Jesus. Wept.

You might want to consider consuming a glass of man the fuck up, Wendy.

[buffdnet]

truth is alot of us here who train and actually lift weights
don't give a flying fuck what any of these bullshit twinkle
toe "bodybuilders" say or do or about their competitions.

i use to think wnbf pros were ok but now
FUCK THEM ALL

[Man of Steel]

Who is Layne Norton?

[Matt C]

you are small, weak, and delusional.  please post pictures of yourself to back these statements I just made up.

No, I'm not weak or delusional.  And I'm not blind either - Layne would be the biggest and most ripped person in my city if he lived here and he would be bigger than all of the juicers.  There are possibly some exceptions but I have never seen them diet down before so I wouldn't know for sure.  Layne is exceptional, not so obviously natural looking as people claim.  But yeah, maybe I just live in some magical city where people don't work out for some reason or everything I see with my own eyes is wrong. 

[Lord of the Roidz]

There are several guys on here that are fairly knowledgeable about steroids and their effects, but I have to say there are hardly any on this site that know anything about Natural bodybuilding. They have no idea what someone can achieve who: 1. trains hard  for over 10 years consistently 2. eats properly 3. maintains a positive nitrogen balance through protein and amino acids every 3 hours. 4. doesn't overtrain and raise cortisol (which lowers testosterone), and 5. has great genetics   Layne Norton's physique is conceivably natural.  It would be very difficult to achieve, but definitely possible.

[saucetradomous]

No, I'm not weak or delusional.  And I'm not blind either - Layne would be the biggest and most ripped person in my city if he lived here and he would be bigger than all of the juicers.  There are possibly some exceptions but I have never seen them diet down before so I wouldn't know for sure.  Layne is exceptional, not so obviously natural looking as people claim.  But yeah, maybe I just live in some magical city where people don't work out for some reason or everything I see with my own eyes is wrong. 

Honestly matt, the only thing that could be considered questionable is his strength on the deadlift.  His squat numbers are decent but not alarming and his bench.. well we won't go there.  If you think his physique is sooo far out of reach compared to that of your thunderbay counterparts then you really need to get out more and discover the world. hell just go further south of ontario and you'll see quite a few juiced up guys destroy Layne in terms of size.
Layne is probably not even top 100 in "naturals" in the world, he's just the most notable.

[saucetradomous]

There are several guys on here that are fairly knowledgeable about steroids and their effects, but I have to say there are hardly any on this site that know anything about Natural bodybuilding. They have no idea what someone can achieve who: 1. trains hard  for over 10 years consistently 2. eats properly 3. maintains a positive nitrogen balance through protein and amino acids every 3 hours. 4. doesn't overtrain and raise cortisol (which lowers testosterone), and 5. has great genetics   Layne Norton's physique is conceivably natural.  It would be very difficult to achieve, but definitely possible.

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[Matt C]

Honestly matt, the only thing that could be considered questionable is his strength on the deadlift.  His squat numbers are decent but not alarming and his bench.. well we won't go there.  If you think his physique is sooo far out of reach compared to that of your thunderbay counterparts then you really need to get out more and discover the world. hell just go further south of ontario and you'll see quite a few juiced up guys destroy Layne in terms of size.
Layne is probably not even top 100 in "naturals" in the world, he's just the most notable.

Yes, there are definitely other people in Ontario who are juiced up and bigger than Layne, although few who are stronger.

Two of the top six 2010 Ontario Strongman competitors are from Thunder Bay - Kyle Rayner [4th] and Dallas Hogan [6th].  Dallas placed 4th in 2008.  They are both marginally stronger than Layne, if that.  And they are both beasts.  Here is Kyle failing with 700 [although it should be noted that he did multiple singles at lower weight just before this and was tired]:

That is in a province of 13 million.

I can walk into any gym in my city at any time of the day and any day of the year and be one of the three strongest guys there.  This includes the university and college gyms which have all sorts of school athletes training there.  And Layne is significantly stronger than me except on bench press so it's safe to say that 99% of the time or more he would be the biggest and strongest person in my city.  Maybe people like Layne are common in other places [I HIGHLY doubt that], but they certainly are not here.

[Matt C]

What a clearly natural physique right here!  If I didn't know Layne, I would definitely think this was a natural lifter.  

The reality is, I have seen Layne's slow and steady progress through the years, but if I didn't know his history, the first thing that would go through my mind is that he is an enhanced lifter.  And those of you who claim that physiques like Layne are so common are simply lying.  He can walk into any gym in the country and be one of the most built men there.

But then, by the time I qualify for my provincial strongman contest people will STILL insist that they have a bigger total than me.    I guess it's just important to accept that most people who post online are full of shit and will never verify anything they claim.