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Richard Blumenthal LIED about his military service yet......
« on: September 17, 2010, 08:26:36 AM »
Richard Blumenthal LIED about his military service yet they pile on O'Donnell about "character"???

At a ceremony honoring veterans and senior citizens who sent presents to soldiers overseas, Attorney General Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut rose and spoke of an earlier time in his life.

Campaign in Damage Control Over ‘a Few Misplaced Words’ (May 19, 2010)

“We have learned something important since the days that I served in Vietnam,” Mr. Blumenthal said to the group gathered in Norwalk in March 2008. “And you exemplify it. Whatever we think about the war, whatever we call it — Afghanistan or Iraq — we owe our military men and women unconditional support.”

There was one problem: Mr. Blumenthal, a Democrat now running for the United States Senate, never served in Vietnam. He obtained at least five military deferments from 1965 to 1970 and took repeated steps that enabled him to avoid going to war, according to records.

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Re: Richard Blumenthal LIED about his military service yet......
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2010, 08:32:22 AM »
Ronald Reagan lied about his.  Both are stupid for doing so.  Ronald`s lies of liberating the Nazi Deathcamps when the truth is he never left Stateside is hillarious.  He said this on the campaign trail and he even said this while President to the Israeli Prime Minister.


Strange isn`t it how these two would do this?

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Re: Richard Blumenthal LIED about his military service yet......
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2010, 08:33:59 AM »
Ronald Reagan lied about his.  Both are stupid for doing so.  Ronald`s lies of liberating the Nazi Deathcamps when the truth is he never left Stateside is hillarious.  He said this on the campaign trail and he even said this while President to the Israeli Prime Minister.


Strange isn`t it how these two would do this?

Blumenthal is a career hack politician who belongs nowhere near a Senate seat. 

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Re: Richard Blumenthal LIED about his military service yet......
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2010, 08:39:09 AM »
Blumenthal is a career hack politician who belongs nowhere near a Senate seat. 
Do you think Ronald Reagan suffered from dementia at times earlier than reported hence to why he created and told a false memory over and over about his military record?

Most recalled memories are in fact false or exaggerated, even with no neurological disorders.  Perhaps Mr. Blumenthal suffers (or will suffer later on) from the same disease Ronald did?

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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2010, 08:43:29 AM »
Do you think Ronald Reagan suffered from dementia at times earlier than reported hence to why he created and told a false memory over and over about his military record?

Most recalled memories are in fact false or exaggerated, even with no neurological disorders.  Perhaps Mr. Blumenthal suffers (or will suffer later on) from the same disease Ronald did?

i have no idea what you are talking about re: Reagan and would appreciate some legit links. 

As for Blumenthal, if the voters vote for a hack like him, they get everything they deserve. 

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Re: Richard Blumenthal LIED about his military service yet......
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2010, 08:47:13 AM »
Blumenthal is a career hack politician who belongs nowhere near a Senate seat. 

It's pretty surprising but McMahon has actually pulled to within 6 points of him in the latest polls. If she keeps money-bombing the ads here then she might pull it off.

That said, it's pretty hilarious that I don't hear anything about the number of lies he's been caught out in. Along with his military service lie he also lied about captaining the swim team at Harvard and a few other things. Guy's a scumbag.

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Re: Richard Blumenthal LIED about his military service yet......
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2010, 08:48:23 AM »
It's pretty surprising but McMahon has actually pulled to within 6 points of him in the latest polls. If she keeps money-bombing the ads here then she might pull it off.

That said, it's pretty hilarious that I don't hear anything about the number of lies he's been caught out in. Along with his military service lie he also lied about captaining the swim team at Harvard and a few other things. Guy's a scumbag.

Not only that, but his legal career is dotted with malicious prosecutions against people.   

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Re: Richard Blumenthal LIED about his military service yet......
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2010, 08:49:19 AM »
i have no idea what you are talking about re: Reagan and would appreciate some legit links. 

As for Blumenthal, if the voters vote for a hack like him, they get everything they deserve. 
I will give you several.  

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/joe_conason/2010/05/20/bushreagan


 In November 1983, he told Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir during a White House visit that while serving in the U. S. Army film corps, his unit had shot footage of the Nazi concentration camps as they were liberated. He repeated the same tale to Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal and other witnesses. Reagan had indeed served in the Army and worked on morale-boosting movies for the War Department. But he had done so without ever leaving Hollywood for the entire duration of the war.

Bush's phony account of his Guard service seems to have been a calculated prevarication by someone who just didn't expect to be caught. Reagan's false memory could be regarded in a more generous light, perhaps as a signal of his later dementia. (At FAIR, Jim Naureckas notes that the New York Times dismissed the Nazi camp fantasy as a "flight of imagination.")

But since the rise of Rand Paul is focusing attention on libertarians (and their vexed relationship with the GOP), it is irresistible to quote Murray Rothbard, the founder of modern libertarianism -- and a very close friend and associate of the Paul family -- on the subject of Reagan's delusional storytelling. In a 1989 column titled "Ronald Reagan: An Autopsy," which can still be found on the website of Lew Rockwell, another very close associate of Ron Paul, he snarked:


The degree to which Reagan is out of touch with reality was best demonstrated in his concentration camp story. This was not simply a slip of the tongue, a Bushian confusion of December with September. When the Premier of Israel visited Reagan at the White House, the President went on and on for three quarters of an hour explaining why he was pro-Jewish: it was because, being in the Signal Corps in World War II, he visited Buchenwald shortly after the Nazi defeat and helped to take films of that camp. Reagan repeated this story the following day to an Israeli ambassador. But the truth was 180-degrees different; Reagan was not in Europe; he never saw a concentration camp; he spent the entire war in the safety of Hollywood, making films for the armed forces…

There are only two ways to interpret the concentration camp story. Perhaps Reagan engaged in a bald-faced lie. But why? What would he have to gain? Especially after the lie was found out, as it soon would be. The only other way to explain this incident, and a far more plausible one, is that Ronnie lacks the capacity to distinguish fantasy from reality. He would, at least in retrospect, have liked to be filming at Buchenwald. Certainly, it made a better story than the facts. But what are we to call a man who cannot distinguish fantasy from reality?

It is surely frightening to think that the most powerful position in the world has been held for eight years by a man who cannot tell fact from fancy. Even more frightening is the defection of the media, who early lost heart and played the role of a submissive receptacle for photo opportunities and press-release handouts. One reason for this defection was the discovery of Reagan's Teflon nature. Another likely reason was that journalists who were too feisty and independent would be deprived of their precious access to the Presidential plane or to inside scoops or leaks from the White House. And a third reason was probably the desire not to dwell on the vital and hair-raising fact that the President of the United States, "the leader of the free world" and all that jazz, is nothing more than a demented half-wit.

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Re: Richard Blumenthal LIED about his military service yet......
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2010, 08:52:44 AM »
TA - the man is dead.  He can't run for office. 

So, in my mind at least, why would be put another delusional person in office? 

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Re: Richard Blumenthal LIED about his military service yet......
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2010, 08:57:14 AM »
TA - the man is dead.  He can't run for office. 

So, in my mind at least, why would be put another delusional person in office? 
I don`t think you really care if someone lies about their military service just so long as you either A. like the guy or B. don`t believe the facts and choose to believe in an alternate reality which frees the burden of proof on the subject.

All in all, you don`t care Reagan lied a few times about his military service (a well known established fact he admitted to and reported on at the time).  Do you?

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Re: Richard Blumenthal LIED about his military service yet......
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2010, 08:59:10 AM »
I will give you several.  

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/joe_conason/2010/05/20/bushreagan


 In November 1983, he told Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir during a White House visit that while serving in the U. S. Army film corps, his unit had shot footage of the Nazi concentration camps as they were liberated. He repeated the same tale to Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal and other witnesses. Reagan had indeed served in the Army and worked on morale-boosting movies for the War Department. But he had done so without ever leaving Hollywood for the entire duration of the war.

Bush's phony account of his Guard service seems to have been a calculated prevarication by someone who just didn't expect to be caught. Reagan's false memory could be regarded in a more generous light, perhaps as a signal of his later dementia. (At FAIR, Jim Naureckas notes that the New York Times dismissed the Nazi camp fantasy as a "flight of imagination.")

But since the rise of Rand Paul is focusing attention on libertarians (and their vexed relationship with the GOP), it is irresistible to quote Murray Rothbard, the founder of modern libertarianism -- and a very close friend and associate of the Paul family -- on the subject of Reagan's delusional storytelling. In a 1989 column titled "Ronald Reagan: An Autopsy," which can still be found on the website of Lew Rockwell, another very close associate of Ron Paul, he snarked:


The degree to which Reagan is out of touch with reality was best demonstrated in his concentration camp story. This was not simply a slip of the tongue, a Bushian confusion of December with September. When the Premier of Israel visited Reagan at the White House, the President went on and on for three quarters of an hour explaining why he was pro-Jewish: it was because, being in the Signal Corps in World War II, he visited Buchenwald shortly after the Nazi defeat and helped to take films of that camp. Reagan repeated this story the following day to an Israeli ambassador. But the truth was 180-degrees different; Reagan was not in Europe; he never saw a concentration camp; he spent the entire war in the safety of Hollywood, making films for the armed forces…

There are only two ways to interpret the concentration camp story. Perhaps Reagan engaged in a bald-faced lie. But why? What would he have to gain? Especially after the lie was found out, as it soon would be. The only other way to explain this incident, and a far more plausible one, is that Ronnie lacks the capacity to distinguish fantasy from reality. He would, at least in retrospect, have liked to be filming at Buchenwald. Certainly, it made a better story than the facts. But what are we to call a man who cannot distinguish fantasy from reality?

It is surely frightening to think that the most powerful position in the world has been held for eight years by a man who cannot tell fact from fancy. Even more frightening is the defection of the media, who early lost heart and played the role of a submissive receptacle for photo opportunities and press-release handouts. One reason for this defection was the discovery of Reagan's Teflon nature. Another likely reason was that journalists who were too feisty and independent would be deprived of their precious access to the Presidential plane or to inside scoops or leaks from the White House. And a third reason was probably the desire not to dwell on the vital and hair-raising fact that the President of the United States, "the leader of the free world" and all that jazz, is nothing more than a demented half-wit.


You are pathetic:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/05/blumenthal_reagan_and_the_big.html


Ronald Reagan's memory is being defamed in an effort to defend a Democrat attorney general caught lying about his military service. The tactic has deep roots on the left.

On Thanksgiving in 2003, President Bush made a surprise visit to troops in Iraq. The initial wildly enthusiastic public response to Bush's visit was dampened by reports that the roast turkey the president held for photographers was fake. The stories turned out to be erroneous, and newspapers subsequently issued corrections. But the damage was done, and the "plastic turkey" story persisted for years. A potentially inspiring moment for Bush's presidency instead became a subject for ridicule.

Now a claim about President Ronald Reagan has resurfaced in connection with senate candidate Richard Blumenthal's misstatements about his military service. After the Blumenthal story broke, left-leaning pundits immediately began reminding us that Reagan had falsely claimed to have filmed the liberation of German concentration camps at the end of World War II. Alan Colmes, for example, writing about Blumenthal's problems, adds, "After all, it wasn't fatal when Ronald Reagan fudged his military service a bit," and quotes Al Hunt from the Wall Street Journal:

    In 1983 the Gipper regaled Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir and Nazi-hunter Simon Wiesenthal with his memories of photographing Nazi death camps at the end of the war. But Mr. Reagan never left the country during that war, period.


Like Bush's fake turkey, this story has been so frequently repeated that it is now widely accepted. But what is the evidence that Reagan made such a claim? As it turns out, the most that can be said is that on two occasions, Reagan told a genuinely revealing anecdote involving those death camp films, and two reporters (both clearly ignorant of Reagan's life story) incorrectly inferred that Reagan was the filmmaker. I have found nothing in the public record to show that the reporters' misunderstandings were based directly on a statement by Reagan himself.

The trail of this story inevitably leads back to Louis Cannon's 1991 biography President Reagan: The Role of a Lifetime. Cannon has a well-deserved reputation for objectivity -- indeed, he has defended Reagan against other bogus accusations. Despite some initial skepticism, however, he accepts the claim that Reagan invented his participation in the filmmaking. Cannon first describes an article in Near East Report that summarizes a Ma'ariv account of the meeting with Shamir:

    The article said that Reagan had told Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir, during his November 29, 1983 visit to the White House, that the roots of his concern for Israel could be traced to World War II when he photographed the Nazi death camps.  Afterward, Reagan said, he had saved a copy of the death camp films for himself because he believed that the day would come when people would no longer believe that six million Jews had been exterminated.


Setting aside for a moment the accuracy of Cannon's description, the key element of Reagan's story is clearly the second part about saving a copy of the footage to show to future deniers. (According to James Baker, Reagan had been disturbed by reports of people who denied the horrors of World War I and did not want that repeated.) Surely it is this that Shamir would have found (in Cannon's words) "moving ... and had related it to the cabinet as evidence of the president's support of Israel."

Cannon's description of the Near East Report article is misleading, however. Here is the relevant section (dated February 10, 1984):

    Ma'ariv reports that President Reagan told Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir -- during Shamir's November visit here -- that the roots of his concern for Israel can be traced to World War II. During the war, Reagan served as a photographer in a unit assigned to film the Nazi death camps. According to Ma'ariv, Reagan told Shamir that he saved one of the death camp films for himself. He believed the day would come when people would question whether the extermination of six million Jews had actually place.


The plain reading of that second sentence is that it is an interpolation by the reporter of background information, albeit factually inaccurate. It is the only sentence not clearly linked to the Ma'ariv article. This does not rule out the possibility that Reagan did say he filmed the camps, but the text fails to justify that assumption. For all we know, Reagan said nothing about making the film, and the reporter made an erroneous inference. Reporters occasionally get facts wrong, and in this case, the original reporter was an Israeli, presumably not a native English speaker and not familiar with the president's life story.

A similar confusion surrounds Cannon's account of a meeting among President Reagan, Simon Wiesenthal, and Rabbi Marvin Hier. Once again, there is an intermediary, a Washington Post reporter. There is no direct quote of Reagan claiming to have shot the footage, and again it is clear that it was Reagan's story about saving the footage and subsequently showing it to skeptics that profoundly impressed Wiesenthal and Hier. We are told that the reporter, Joanne Omang, asked Cannon when Reagan had photographed the death camps, but we are not told what prompted her question. She too may have just assumed Reagan shot the footage and then realized she was mistaken when Cannon explained that Reagan had never left the country during the war. Indeed, Omang's article on the meeting makes no mention of any such claim by Reagan.

Cannon acknowledges the flimsiness of the evidence, but he says that he became convinced when another reporter "confirm[ed] the accuracy of the original Ma'ariv report with Dan Meridor, the Israeli cabinet secretary." Surpisingly, Cannon -- perhaps because he is skeptical of all parts of the story -- is imprecise about what Meridor said. Did he confirm every detail of the Ma'ariv story (whatever those were), or just that Reagan told Shamir he saved a copy of the film and subsequently showed it to skeptics?

Finally, regarding Cannon's skepticism about all the elements of Reagan's story, the president's youngest son Ron has a story of his own. As quoted by Bill Mann:

    "When I was 12," Reagan recalled, "My father said he had something to show me. He said, "I think you're old enough to see the worst that humans can do to one another.'" Reagan said his Dad reached into a closet, found a dusty old film canister, and put the celluloid contents on the family film projector.  "It was raw, unedited newsreel film of the liberation of Auschwitz," Reagan Jr. said, recalling his shock and horror as a boy seeing for the first time the stacked-up bodies and the walking dead.


Unless Ron Reagan made this up, it appears that the essential part of his father's story was accurate. The unanswered question is whether the president fabricated his presence at the camps. While it may seem unlikely that two reporters would make a similar error, it is even harder to believe that had Reagan made such a claim; no journalist could have obtained direct confirmation from a participant at either meeting or at least produce a specific confirmation of Reagan's words.

The lie of Bush's plastic turkey gained traction because it detracted from the positive story of Bush's surprise visit to the troops in Iraq on Thanksgiving 2003. The story of Reagan inventing his role in the filming of the death camps is not as provably false, but its popularity despite the paucity of evidence seems to serve the same purpose: An anecdote that puts President Reagan in a positive light is pushed aside by a dubious story that makes him look foolish. Sadly, in both cases, the media has aided and abetted the misinformation.

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Re: Richard Blumenthal LIED about his military service yet......
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2010, 09:05:55 AM »
Yep, that only proves that the Gipper lied.  I personally don`t care that he did.  I am sure his disease was apparent while he was president.  How could it not be given his age and diagnosis and subsequent admissions from his family regarding his memory?

I don`t really care that Reagan lied even if it wasn`t the disease affecting his memory.  It is amusing though.

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Re: Richard Blumenthal LIED about his military service yet......
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2010, 09:07:29 AM »
Yep, that only proves that the Gipper lied.  I personally don`t care that he did.  I am sure his disease was apparent while he was president.  How could it not be given his age and diagnosis and subsequent admissions from his family regarding his memory?

I don`t really care that Reagan lied even if it wasn`t the disease affecting his memory.  It is amusing though.

Confusion could arise because someone jumped to the conclusion that being in a unit assigned to film the Nazi death camps means that you did the filming. A 'unit" has to a lot of other things including editing, so they presumable had photographers in the field, and film editors and administrative folks at home or elsewhere deployed. They were all are part of the same unit.

The fact you would bring up Reagan (who can't defend himself) tells you are desperate to redirect from Blumenthal's prevarecation

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« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2010, 09:10:15 AM »
Confusion could arise because someone jumped to the conclusion that being in a unit assigned to film the Nazi death camps means that you did the filming. A 'unit" has to a lot of other things including editing, so they presumable had photographers in the field, and film editors and administrative folks at home or elsewhere deployed. They were all are part of the same unit.

The fact you would bring up Reagan (who can't defend himself) tells you are desperate to redirect from Blumenthal's prevarecation
Oh please....Thats the least of Reagan`s clear mental demise and irrationality.  It does bug me a bit that he and Nancy frequently consulted with an Astrologer in the White House regarding policy decisions.  Thats the same thing as consulting a Jesus Christ or a Muhammed you know.

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Re: Richard Blumenthal LIED about his military service yet......
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2010, 09:12:48 AM »
Oh please....Thats the least of Reagan`s clear mental demise and irrationality.  It does bug me a bit that he and Nancy frequently consulted with an Astrologer in the White House regarding policy decisions.  Thats the same thing as consulting a Jesus Christ or a Muhammed you know.

Yes, lets try to divert attention away from what current Polictiicans are doing, and the current meltdown of our economy (with Obama at the wheel) by smearing the name of Reagan.

What a pathetic pile of shit you are.

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« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2010, 09:17:18 AM »
Yes, lets try to divert attention away from what current Polictiicans are doing, and the current meltdown of our economy (with Obama at the wheel) by smearing the name of Reagan.

What a pathetic pile of shit you are.
Meltdown!!!

Reagan and Blumenthal have something in common.  They both readily lied about their military career.  Can we move on?

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« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2010, 09:19:49 AM »
Meltdown!!!

Reagan and Blumenthal have something in common.  They both readily lied about their military career.  Can we move on?

The only meltdown is coming from the unemployed socialist, who has to smear the name of someone who is dead and gone, and was president over 25 years ago. 

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« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2010, 09:24:19 AM »
The only meltdown is coming from the unemployed socialist, who has to smear the name of someone who is dead and gone, and was president over 25 years ago. 
Why do you assume I am unemployed, just curious?

Also, I am not smearing anyone (not that I care if I were), I am just stating the facts. 

Besides, who cares if he is dead and gone, he should still be open to criticism.  Should we stop talking about the Civil War and all involved since everyone from that time is also dead and gone?

I am just trying to get a hold on your logic here. (lol)

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Re: Richard Blumenthal LIED about his military service yet......
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2010, 09:27:26 AM »
Why do you assume I am unemployed, just curious?

Also, I am not smearing anyone (not that I care if I were), I am just stating the facts.  

Besides, who cares if he is dead and gone, he should still be open to criticism.  Should we stop talking about the Civil War and all involved since everyone from that time is also dead and gone?

I am just trying to get a hold on your logic here. (lol)

You are not stating any facts, as I already mentioned, confusion could arise because someone jumped to the conclusion that being in a unit assigned to film the Nazi death camps means that you did the filming. A 'unit" has to a lot of other things including editing, so they presumable had photographers in the field, and film editors and administrative folks at home or elsewhere deployed. They were all are part of the same unit, yet with Blumenthal, he is on video saying these lies.