NarcissisticDeity vs Hulkster Contest: Loser Leaves Getbig

[FREAKgeek]

Where exactly did I type that? 

Ronnie was good enough to beat a LOT of the exact same people he beat before he became Mr Olympia

So, if there is no improvement, then he won the next 8 sandows by accident, that is, at the fault of his competitors coming in sub par, for nearly a decade. It was a critical era to capitalize on.

You really can't argue that. If you do, you then admit to a better Coleman which Dorian didn't face.

[Hulkster]

as always, ND gets trapped by his own fucked up logic and his efforts to make dorian seem better when he really wasn't.

typical.

[Hulkster]

can you imagine what would have happened had ronnie stepped onstage looking like he did at his peak in 1997, well, lets just say it would have been hilarious:

[Nirvana]

but what ND fails to understand, and this is because he has a newbie's knowledge of the sport , is that at the Olympia level, 10% better conditioning and a bit more size can mean the difference between 9th and 1st..
 

when has something EVER been right with ND's thinking?

the reason everyone is calling you on this is that you are implying it in all your latest posts..

 

hit the nail on the head

[Hulkster]

he will deny it as usual, just as he denies Ronnie's direct allusions of politics in his quotes (esp. the "heyday" comment vs dorian, arnold and haney).

ND has never understood how to interpret english.

not yet anyway.

[NarcissisticDeity]

but what ND fails to understand, and this is because he has a newbie's knowledge of the sport , is that at the Olympia level, 10% better conditioning and a bit more size can mean the difference between 9th and 1st..
 

when has something EVER been right with ND's thinking?

the reason everyone is calling you on this is that you are implying it in all your latest posts..

 

but what ND fails to understand, and this is because he has a newbie's knowledge of the sport , is that at the Olympia level, 10% better conditioning and a bit more size can mean the difference between 9th and 1st..
 

He didn't add ANY size in 98 in fact he was heavier in 97 albeit not as conditioned , you know shit as usual.

when has something EVER been right with ND's thinking?

the reason everyone is calling you on this is that you are implying it in all your latest posts..

I didn't imply anything , it's morons like you who draw your own conclusions , I said outright his best Olympia was 1998 and the only real ingredient he was missing was conditioning which he nailed in 98

[NarcissisticDeity]

So, if there is no improvement, then he won the next 8 sandows by accident, that is, at the fault of his competitors coming in sub par, for nearly a decade. It was a critical era to capitalize on.

You really can't argue that. If you do, you then admit to a better Coleman which Dorian didn't face.

Lots of people with reading comprehension problems I said the main area he improved on was CONDITIONING , with the improved conditioning he came into his own , he was already 255lbs in 1997 , with all the attributes he had in 1998 sans the great conditioning , he was already an established pro winning and beating the biggest names in the sport , improved conditioning would not be enough to beat Dorian

I'm not blaming Ronnie for his sub-par competition either , he can only beat who shows up

[NarcissisticDeity]

he will deny it as usual, just as he denies Ronnie's direct allusions of politics in his quotes (esp. the "heyday" comment vs dorian, arnold and haney).

ND has never understood how to interpret english.

not yet anyway.

I never implied he was just as good or made no improvements , it's you guys with the obvious comprehension problems you drew your own conclusions then tried to pin it on me and when I said find the post as usual you guys had to amend your statements to I was ' implying ' hahahahahaha

You keep making excuses for Ronnie and trying to read into what he said and guess and elaborate on what he really meant , bottom line Hulkster , Ronnie said at least twice he could NOT beat Dorian and explained why , this ended anything you can type.

[NarcissisticDeity]

can you imagine what would have happened had ronnie stepped onstage looking like he did at his peak in 1997, well, lets just say it would have been hilarious:

His peak at 1999 

Ronnie at his peak 1998 or 2001 would get beat by Dorian 1993/1995 bigger , harder , drier , better balanced , Ronnie 1999 would look soggy next to Yates 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie 1998 is Ronnie 1997 completely dried out.

He made no improvements from 1997 to 1998 other than conditioning. he didn't improve his balance issues or his proportion issues , he didn't add any extra muscle in fact he came in supertight lighter , his calves didn't improve , his posing didn't improve , looked fantastic and deserved to beat Flex but that doesn't change the reality of the situation

Ronnie at 249 lbs with improved conditioning would be left for dead by Dorian 1993/1995 same with Ronnie 1999

[FREAKgeek]

I never implied he was just as good or made no improvements

Yes you did imply:

well here is few guys that Ronnie beat , before he was Ronnie

Flex Wheeler
Nasser El Sonbaty
Gunter Schlierkamp
Milos Sarcev
Claude Groulx
Kevin Levrone
Chris Cormier
Lee Priest
Charles Clairmonte
Jean Pierre Fux
Michael Francois
Aaron Baker
Mike Matarazzo
Roland Cziurlock
Don Long
Sonny Schmidt
Paul Dillett

looks an awful lot like the list of guys be beat after he became Ronnie

Lots of people with reading comprehension problems I said the main area he improved on was CONDITIONING , with the improved conditioning he came into his own , he was already 255lbs in 1997 , with all the attributes he had in 1998 sans the great conditioning , he was already an established pro winning and beating the biggest names in the sport , improved conditioning would not be enough to beat Dorian 

OK good. He did improve. Read you clear now.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yes you did imply:


OK good. He did improve. Read you clear now.

Hulkster likes to use the lame excuse that when Dorian was beating Ronnie guys like Porter & Clairmonete were beating him too and he was NO WHERE NEAR his best , when in fact Ronnie was beating all of these guys before he ever won a Sandow , and just because he improved his conditioning doesn't mean he would beat Dorian and the difference is NONE of them beat Dorian and Ronnie admitted that he wouldn't even after he won the Sandow

[FREAKgeek]

Hulkster likes to use the lame excuse that when Dorian was beating Ronnie guys like Porter & Clairmonete were beating him too and he was NO WHERE NEAR his best , when in fact Ronnie was beating all of these guys before he ever won a Sandow , and just because he improved his conditioning doesn't mean he would beat Dorian and the difference is NONE of them beat Dorian and Ronnie admitted that he wouldn't even after he won the Sandow

You bring up a good point. He did beat top names prior 1998. 98 was still a jump in improvement though, I mean conditioning.

As far as Ronnie admitting to or not admitting to beating Dorian, I think all what was on his mind was winning the sandow. He was pretty ecstatic about it. Fast forward a few years and he seemed to expect it, so I think he may have changed his tune.

[NarcissisticDeity]

You bring up a good point. He did beat top names prior 1998. 98 was still a jump in improvement though, I mean conditioning.

As far as Ronnie admitting to or not admitting to beating Dorian, I think all what was on his mind was winning the sandow. He was pretty ecstatic about it. Fast forward a few years and he seemed to expect it, so I think he may have changed his tune.

Actually no , the Special Ed quote was from 2008

[Hulkster]

He made no improvements from 1997 to 1998 other than conditioning. he didn't improve his balance issues or his proportion issues , he didn't add any extra muscle in fact he came in supertight lighter , his calves didn't improve , his posing didn't improve , looked fantastic and deserved to beat Flex but that doesn't change the reality of the situation

not correct at all.

his arms and quads increased noticably in size from 97 to 98, all the visuals confirm this, as does ronnie's 1999 flex interview talking about how he was gaining about 5 pounds of muscle per year.

your mistake is that you are assuming that the erroneous printed weight of 255 pounds in 1997 is correct.

it is not.

anyone can see this.


http://muscletime.com/gallery/pro-bodybuilding/olympia-contest/1997-olympia/photos-by-raymond-cassar/1997-mr-olympia-162

http://muscletime.com/gallery/pro-bodybuilding/olympia-contest/1998-olympia/contest/1998-mr-olympia-229

see for yourself.

[NeoSeminole]

here's how it should be:

ND and Hulkster both predict the top 10 after pre-judging

the person who comes the closest to the actual placings shall be deemed more knowledgeable about the judging criteria

[Hulkster]

LOL I am barely following the olympia this year.

ever since guys like Jay and Dex won, it really speaks volumes about the quality of the physiques these days.

Ronnie was the last good Mr. O. (so far)

sorry, but its true.

[JP_RC]

you still don't get it? stop fixating on the 97 Olympia , Ronnie beat the same guys he beat when he was Mr Olympia , before he was Mr Olympia.

he never said that , that's you drawing your own conclusions , no matter how many times you type it he still says I don't know   and one judge doesn't judge whole contests  

Dorian said he has Ronnie on balance & proportion , density & dryness , what else is there? posing I don't think anyone will argue Ronnie is a better poser , muscular bulk? depends on the year Dorian has em there too , you can pick & choose what fits your point of view but in the scheme of things Dorian was anything but certain , Ronnie on the other hand was very certain  

you still don't get it? stop fixating on the 97 Olympia , Ronnie beat the same guys he beat when he was Mr Olympia , before he was Mr Olympia.

You're the one that brought the 97 O into the argument in the first place when you said Dorian beat Ronnie in 97, just a year away from his best. I'm not the one fixating on it, fact is Ronnie improved a lot after 1997. His conditioning was top notch in 1998 and despite what his weight was, he looked a bit bigger on stage. You know that bb its not so much about how much weight you carry, but how you carry it.

he never said that , that's you drawing your own conclusions , no matter how many times you type it he still says I don't know   and one judge doesn't judge whole contests  

Dorian said he has Ronnie on balance & proportion , density & dryness , what else is there? posing I don't think anyone will argue Ronnie is a better poser , muscular bulk? depends on the year Dorian has em there too , you can pick & choose what fits your point of view but in the scheme of things Dorian was anything but certain , Ronnie on the other hand was very certain  

Do you realize that when Dorian was asked the question on who would win between him and Ronnie, he was a lot less certain than you are?
You are always arguing on why Dorian would beat Ronnie for a fact as far as judging criteria, but Dorian himself is not sure.

Dorian said he has Ronnie on balance & proportion and conditioning, but he is still not sure on who would win. That means what? Of course that Ronnie has advantages of his own that make it very close.

[The Ugly]

Important info here. Big business.

[NarcissisticDeity]

not correct at all.

his arms and quads increased noticably in size from 97 to 98, all the visuals confirm this, as does ronnie's 1999 flex interview talking about how he was gaining about 5 pounds of muscle per year.

your mistake is that you are assuming that the erroneous printed weight of 255 pounds in 1997 is correct.

it is not.

anyone can see this.




see for yourself.

yawn what else are you gonna say? now his weight is erroneous  give me a break prove it was erroneous don't type it

Ronnie 1997 was 255lbs and soft hence why he dropped down to 249 for the Olympia and he was super dried out and right up your retarded alley to think his arms & quads got bigger by dropping weight 

and in one breathe you have the balls to claim Flex is wrong by stating his weight at 255 in 97 and then try and use Flex as proof he gained 5lbs a year typical hypocrite

[NarcissisticDeity]

here's how it should be:

ND and Hulkster both predict the top 10 after pre-judging

the person who comes the closest to the actual placings shall be deemed more knowledgeable about the judging criteria

Hulkster already pussied out  and get serious Hulkster never knew the criteria until I posted it , he never knew that all rounds are physique rounds , he didn't even know what density & dryness were , he actually thinks Ronnie has better balance & proportion than Dorian , a guy who claimed 1994 was close and 2001 Ronnie ' dominated ' by losing the entire prejudging LMFAO

and this above all else , he actually typed that Dorian should have lost the 1993 Mr Olympia to Flex Wheeler , he came to this conclusion ! Dorian in the most dominate Olympia win in the history of the contest , he was so far and ahead of everyone he didn't even need to be included in the muscularity round and he claimed Dorian lost , and you actually just typed who is more knowledgeable about the judging criteria BAWWWWWHHHAAAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHHAHAAHA you're almost as dumb as he is. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL I am barely following the olympia this year.

ever since guys like Jay and Dex won, it really speaks volumes about the quality of the physiques these days.

Ronnie was the last good Mr. O. (so far)

sorry, but its true.

No shit all you do is type about me , Ronnie & Dorian it's all you know. and after your comment about Dorian losing in 93 shows you don't know much.

[The Ugly]

Hulkster already pussied out  and get serious Hulkster never knew the criteria until I posted it , he never knew that all rounds are physique rounds , he didn't even know what density & dryness were , he actually thinks Ronnie has better balance & proportion than Dorian , a guy who claimed 1994 was close and 2001 Ronnie ' dominated ' by losing the entire prejudging LMFAO

and this above all else , he actually typed that Dorian should have lost the 1993 Mr Olympia to Flex Wheeler , he came to this conclusion ! Dorian in the most dominate Olympia win in the history of the contest , he was so far and ahead of everyone he didn't even need to be included in the muscularity round and he claimed Dorian lost , and you actually just typed who is more knowledgeable about the judging criteria BAWWWWWHHHAAAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHHAHAAHA you're almost as dumb as he is. 

Serious question: How big a role does this debate play in your life? Is it in your head throughout the day, at work, social events, etc.? Both you guys, seriously.

Is it fun or just an obsession?

[Palpatine Q]

Hulkster already pussied out  and get serious Hulkster never knew the criteria until I posted it , he never knew that all rounds are physique rounds , he didn't even know what density & dryness were , he actually thinks Ronnie has better balance & proportion than Dorian , a guy who claimed 1994 was close and 2001 Ronnie ' dominated ' by losing the entire prejudging LMFAO

and this above all else , he actually typed that Dorian should have lost the 1993 Mr Olympia to Flex Wheeler , he came to this conclusion ! Dorian in the most dominate Olympia win in the history of the contest , he was so far and ahead of everyone he didn't even need to be included in the muscularity round and he claimed Dorian lost , and you actually just typed who is more knowledgeable about the judging criteria BAWWWWWHHHAAAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHHAHAAHA you're almost as dumb as he is. 

Hey ND.......why do you always have to be a real dick about things and jump all over people who just post their thoughts

[NarcissisticDeity]

You're the one that brought the 97 O into the argument in the first place when you said Dorian beat Ronnie in 97, just a year away from his best. I'm not the one fixating on it, fact is Ronnie improved a lot after 1997. His conditioning was top notch in 1998 and despite what his weight was, he looked a bit bigger on stage. You know that bb its not so much about how much weight you carry, but how you carry it.

Do you realize that when Dorian was asked the question on who would win between him and Ronnie, he was a lot less certain than you are?
You are always arguing on why Dorian would beat Ronnie for a fact as far as judging criteria, but Dorian himself is not sure.

Dorian said he has Ronnie on balance & proportion and conditioning, but he is still not sure on who would win. That means what? Of course that Ronnie has advantaged of his own that make it very close.

You're the one that brought the 97 O into the argument in the first place when you said Dorian beat Ronnie in 97, just a year away from his best. I'm not the one fixating on it, fact is Ronnie improved a lot after 1997. His conditioning was top notch in 1998 and despite what his weight was, he looked a bit bigger on stage. You know that bb its not so much about how much weight you carry, but how you carry it.

yeah I did as proof that he wasn't that far away from his best as Hulkster likes people to believe , he likes to bring up the fact that when Dorian was beating him , guys like Porter Cottrell and Charles Clairmonte were ( 1994 ) when he was 228lbs which isn't the case , Ronnie improved in 1997 to 1998 in conditioning and nothing else.

Do you realize that when Dorian was asked the question on who would win between him and Ronnie, he was a lot less certain than you are?
You are always arguing on why Dorian would beat Ronnie for a fact as far as judging criteria, but Dorian himself is not sure.

Dorian said he has Ronnie on balance & proportion and conditioning, but he is still not sure on who would win. That means what? Of course that Ronnie has advantaged of his own that make it very close.

he was a lot less certain than me? ever think that he hasn't given it as much thought as I have? and was asked the question off the top of his head? Dorian isn't sure? Ronnie is sure  

are you mistaken Dorian's reluctance to give an answer as self doubt? Dorian is a winning machine the guy won almost 90% of the contests he entered , statistically Dorian would be the odds on favorite to win , Ronnie never once faced anyone like Dorian , anyone who can match him on size , back and have better balance & conditioning and a better poser to boot

98 Ronnie just barely beat Flex and this is Ronnie at his best Olympia showing EVER Dorian trounced Flex when he was as close to his prime as he could get , Flex never looked as good as 1993 and Dorian utterly crushed him , Ronnie 98 could not beat Dorian he just couldn't