All drugs on this athlete?

[BIG_STI]

looks natural to me  looks 180lbs tops there

[BIG ACH]

How do you KNOW FOR SURE he is on Gear?

[LatsMcGee]

Layne Norton:  Matt C really wants to suck your cock. 

[gib]

Not at all.  I know for a fact that he is on gear, which is why he'l never bring this to court.

Thanks MindSpin - bear in mind though, that you "knowing he is on drugs" will not in itself be a sufficient defense if he decides to sue you, or Ron from GetBig.

Basically the procedure is that he would bring an action claiming that your statements and GetBig (as the publisher) have caused harm to his reputation and character. He would claim that as he is in the fitness industry, his financial losses caused by your claims are substantial, and also claim for hurt feelings, distress, legal costs, loss of future income, exemplary damages, etc etc. The onus then falls on you, to be able to prove the truth of your statements (and unless you can do that there is a presumption of guilt on your behalf).

I of course don't know who is right on this issue, and if he really is claiming to be nat when he's not, then good on you for exposing him, but just letting you know that you better have some pretty conclusive evidence to support your statements.

[haider]

Like has been said before- very few people match the hard work and consistency the guy has had over the years. So its notfair to compare him to other naturals based on his physique. Plus there's nothing that indicates that he's a liar, and he's pretty adamant about the fact that he is absolutely clean.

I'm afraid that people are either comparing him to other natural bb'ers with less work ethic/experience/genes (as stated above) or comparing him to their own physique. It's a common and great folly to underestimate others based on your own abilities/talents.

[DK II]

one says he's juiced to the gills - infering that he looks good due to drugs

another says "he doesnt' look good anyway" - as if they look better

wtf

Typical getbig argument.

If you think he looks way better than yourself and you are not on drugs: he's on drugs.
If you think he looks way better than yourself and you are on drugs yourself: he has a swimmer's physique.

[DK II]

Like has been said before- very few people match the hard work and consistency the guy has had over the years. So its notfair to compare him to other naturals based on his physique. Plus there's nothing that indicates that he's a liar, and he's pretty adamant about the fact that he is absolutely clean.

I'm afraid that people are either comparing him to other natural bb'ers with less work ethic/experience/genes (as stated above) or comparing him to their own physique. It's a common and great folly to underestimate others based on your own abilities/talents.

8500 posts on getbig, you see this pic and write this bullshit? Incredible.

[haider]

Typical getbig argument.

If you think he looks way better than yourself and you are not on drugs: he's on drugs.
If you think he looks way better than yourself and you are on drugs yourself: he has a swimmer's physique.

Something like that.

People are very inconsistent on this issue- you'll find the same person saying he has a horrible physique and later also that he's too big to be natural 

[tommywishbone]

Why is he standing in the lobby of the local community college with no shirt on?

[Chick]

Thanks MindSpin - bear in mind though, that you "knowing he is on drugs" will not in itself be a sufficient defense if he decides to sue you, or Ron from GetBig.

Basically the procedure is that he would bring an action claiming that your statements and GetBig (as the publisher) have caused harm to his reputation and character. He would claim that as he is in the fitness industry, his financial losses caused by your claims are substantial, and also claim for hurt feelings, distress, legal costs, loss of future income, exemplary damages, etc etc. The onus then falls on you, to be able to prove the truth of your statements (and unless you can do that there is a presumption of guilt on your behalf).

I of course don't know who is right on this issue, and if he really is claiming to be nat when he's not, then good on you for exposing him, but just letting you know that you better have some pretty conclusive evidence to support your statements.

Still have to show where you were hurt financially by the specific actions (allegations)...pretty tough to do in this case.

[haider]

8500 posts on getbig, you see this pic and write this bullshit? Incredible.

He's been working out for 10+ years consistently and has pretty good genetics for upper body. Not at all unbelievable that he's natural you german douche.

Plus a close up pic can be quite deceviging and make a person look bigger than they are. In other pics he doesn't look as big as he does there.

[DK II]

He's been working out for 10+ years consistently and has pretty good genetics for upper body. Not at all unbelievable that he's natural you german douche.

Plus a close up pic can be quite deceviging and make a person look bigger than they are. In other pics he doesn't look as big as he does there.

Roid rage?
 

Something like that.

People are very inconsistent on this issue- you'll find the same person saying he has a horrible physique and later also that he's too big to be natural 

Yes, it depends on if they are off or on themselves at the time of the post. 

[haider]

Roid rage?
 
Yes, it depends on if they are off or on themselves at the time of the post. 

no roid rage here, 21k+ posts and you think calling some one  a douche on getbig is a big deal? lol!

[DK II]

no roid rage here, 21k+ posts and you think calling some one  a douche on getbig is a big deal? lol!

LOL, i was just trying to get you involved into the all drugs debate personally.
 


As we have learned from gh15, EVERYONE is on drugs, even if you think you're not, and when you say you aren't you are lying, and if you say you are, you're still lying because you take at least double the amount.

[Matt C]

Layne Norton: MattC Fleshlight^TM

Layne Norton:  Matt C really wants to suck your cock. 

I'm straight but Layne honestly looks AMAZING!  Did you see this picture?:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=348607.0;attach=383343;image

[Howard]

LOL, i was just trying to get you involved into the all drugs debate personally.
 


As we have learned from gh15, EVERYONE is on drugs, even if you think you're not, and when you say you aren't you are lying, and if you say you are, you're still lying because you take at least double the amount.

If everyone was on as many roids as GH15 claims, we would need as many roid factories as grocery stores.
Maybe the aliens abduct us and inject us in our sleep 

[MindSpin]

one says he's juiced to the gills - infering that he looks good due to drugs

another says "he doesnt' look good anyway" - as if they look better

wtf

I think he looks like shit even though he's using steroids. His genetics suck.

[Army of One]

I think he looks like shit even though he's using steroids. His genetics suck.

Mindspin, how do you know for a fact he's on drugs?PM me if you cant say it here.

[MindSpin]

Thanks MindSpin - bear in mind though, that you "knowing he is on drugs" will not in itself be a sufficient defense if he decides to sue you, or Ron from GetBig.

Basically the procedure is that he would bring an action claiming that your statements and GetBig (as the publisher) have caused harm to his reputation and character. He would claim that as he is in the fitness industry, his financial losses caused by your claims are substantial, and also claim for hurt feelings, distress, legal costs, loss of future income, exemplary damages, etc etc. The onus then falls on you, to be able to prove the truth of your statements (and unless you can do that there is a presumption of guilt on your behalf).

I of course don't know who is right on this issue, and if he really is claiming to be nat when he's not, then good on you for exposing him, but just letting you know that you better have some pretty conclusive evidence to support your statements.

I'm familiar with the process. He will never sue. He knows better.

[Matt C]

If everyone was on as many roids as GH15 claims, we would need as many roid factories as grocery stores.
Maybe the aliens abduct us and inject us in our sleep 

Howard, you and I are the same, always talking about how great using gear is and the crave to do it but never just getting on and staying on as we should.  In the back of my mind somewhere I worry it is "unhealthy" but I have no evidence to suggest such a thing.

[Krankenstein]

Mindspin, how do you know for a fact he's on drugs?PM me if you cant say it here.

He doesnt....nor will he ever.  Its what he THINKS he knows....which is a far cry from reality.  Its amazing how one guy gets so many people worked up.

[MindSpin]

He doesnt....nor will he ever.  Its what he THINKS he knows....which is a far cry from reality.  Its amazing how one guy gets so many people worked up.

I know for a fact that he had used PEDs

[Natural Man]

I know for a fact that he had used PEDs

what about you tell us more once for all...

[dyslexic]

Stop posting pics of TP...


they make me depressed. He looks like he ain't gonna make it.

[Stark]

this isn't you?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/reform16.htm

you've hated layne for years now, you go out of your way to put down his body while praising far inferior physiques

since you have written for bb.com (unless that is some other "yemeni mesa" that works for an ice cream company ) i think you met layne at an expo and he hurt your feelings, causing you to hold a grudge

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mindspin?