Author Topic: So much for "Separation of Church & State"; Obama asks clergy to pimp ObamaCare  (Read 3299 times)

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Obama Asks Religious Leaders to Preach the Gospel of HC Reform

With approval ratings plummeting and support for the new health care law waning, the president is scrambling for ways to sell his health care overhaul. Possibly looking for a miracle, he’s turning to church leaders who preach about such events to deliver one.

“Obama, alongside other top administration officials, beseeched thousands of faith-based and community organizations to preach the gospel on new insurance reforms, chiefly the Patients’ Bill of Rights.” That’s how Politico describes a conference call that featured the president on Tuesday.

“Get out there and spread the word,” the president encouraged religious leaders on the call. Politico reports that Obama also advised those listening to treat the new law as settled fact and use their perches of power to convey that message to congregants and friends.

“The debate in Washington is over,” he said, and called on the leaders to be “important validators and trusted resources,” regarding the law.

Despite reports and news that the new health care law is not fulfilling some of the promises Obama made regarding it, and that those within the president’s own party are distancing themselves from it, he still sees the law as a monumental piece of legislation that is good for the country:

This is something that we’ll be able to look back on, just like we do on Medicare and Social Security, as a cornerstone that improves the security of millions of Americans, at the same time lowers costs and gets control of costs, both at the government level, but also for families and businesses.

That‘s a sentiment that is not shared by all those in the president’s own party. For example, Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) who voted for the health care bill is now encouraging his state to seek ways to bypass some of its requirement.

Tuesday’s conference call was organized by Health and Human Services Center for Faith-Based and Community Partnerships.

Recognizing the large task in front of the group, Joshua DuBois, director of the White House Office of Faith-based and Community Partnerships, outlined the task: “We’ve got work to do.”

My, my, my!!



http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-asks-religious-leaders-to-preach-the-gospel-of-hc-reforms/

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Saw this in the opinions section, thought it belonged here.... but not both..

MCWAY

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Saw this in the opinions section, thought it belonged here.... but not both..

I accidentally put it there. It won't let me delete my own topic. Therefore, I just made a duplicate one here.

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The reason the left don't care about this is it is a non issue. No one listens to their pastor these days, hell catholics don't listen to the pope..

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I accidentally put it there. It won't let me delete my own topic. Therefore, I just made a duplicate one here.

cool...

MCWAY

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The reason the left don't care about this is it is a non issue. No one listens to their pastor these days, hell catholics don't listen to the pope..

Oh really!! Whenever Bush did his faith-based initiatve thing, or any pastor held a rally regarding things like marriage amendment, we usually hear lefties go bananas, yelp about "separation of church and state", wail about yanking tax-exempt status of churches, etc.

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Oh really!! Whenever Bush did his faith-based initiatve thing, or any pastor held a rally regarding things like marriage amendment, we usually hear lefties go bananas, yelp about "separation of church and state", wail about yanking tax-exempt status of churches, etc.

QFT....they are only "outraged" when it doesn't fit their view of the world.  But they are "liberal...."   ::)

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Oh really!! Whenever Bush did his faith-based initiatve thing, or any pastor held a rally regarding things like marriage amendment, we usually hear lefties go bananas, yelp about "separation of church and state", wail about yanking tax-exempt status of churches, etc.

yep and you bible thumping righties just shrugged it off and didn't have a problem with it so....what's the problem now?

we know it's going on, we can't stop it so let's just pull the tax exempt status (biggest fucking rip off in this country) and treat them like any other group

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I'm "liberal" in some regards, conservative in others..and as an agnostic, certainly think the government and organized religion should be separated.. When Churches start pushing political agendas then they cease to be exempt from taxation. Whether it's a democratic prez or a republican prez....

Who exactly did he call? Every preacher in North America?  How did they beseech "thousands" of them in a conference call?

On the other hand, if ANY president wants to call on Churches to forgo million dollar buildings, luxury cars for their preachers, and start actually helping the community, I'm all for that.

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Ok, what politician or president prior to Obama opened the door for this shit? >:(  Was it just Obama or did some other sack of crap start this?

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yep and you bible thumping righties just shrugged it off and didn't have a problem with it so....what's the problem now?

we know it's going on, we can't stop it so let's just pull the tax exempt status (biggest fucking rip off in this country) and treat them like any other group

The complainers were liberal like yourself. Do you understand your hypocrisy or is that too complicated for you? The Left condemns the religious right for voicing their concerns when it comes to gay marriage, abortion, etc by proclaiming seperation of church and state. So why aren't you and the rest of the Obama supporters up in arms with this current situation?

Don't bother answering. You don't have any defense for it. Keep walking.

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Liberals only care when its someone on the right doing it. 

Typical liberal double standards, like on most other issues.   

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The complainers were liberal like yourself. Do you understand your hypocrisy or is that too complicated for you? The Left condemns the religious right for voicing their concerns when it comes to gay marriage, abortion, etc by proclaiming seperation of church and state. So why aren't you and the rest of the Obama supporters up in arms with this current situation?

Don't bother answering. You don't have any defense for it. Keep walking.

This ALWAYS goes both ways. Fox anchors were complaining about congress wasting money having Colbert appear before them... when the republicans have had Sesame Street characters appear ..... It never ends.... both parties do the same things all the time, then bitch about the other party doing it..

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The complainers were liberal like yourself. Do you understand your hypocrisy or is that too complicated for you? The Left condemns the religious right for voicing their concerns when it comes to gay marriage, abortion, etc by proclaiming seperation of church and state. So why aren't you and the rest of the Obama supporters up in arms with this current situation?

Don't bother answering. You don't have any defense for it. Keep walking.

do you understand that I'm against it in ALL cases

Tell me how we're going to police thousands of churhes, church groups, etc.. on a daily basis?

We know churches do this kind of stuff and it's nothing new (I remember hearing political sermons when being forced by my parents to attend mass in the 1970's) and I'm sure it was being done long before.  Shit go back to 200+years and look at all the regligious activism against Thomas Jefferson

If churches are going to engage in political activism then they need to lose their tax exempt status and I don't distinguish btween the right or left

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Liberals only care when its someone on the right doing it. 

Typical liberal double standards, like on most other issues.   

bullshit

typical 333 simply making up your own reality and then running with it

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bullshit

typical 333 simply making up your own reality and then running with it

Absolutely not - I don't remember you or anyone else complaining when Obama was using the black churches to campaign for him or the catholic churches pushing amnesty for illegals.

Yes, when the church pushes pro-life causes-  everyone freaks - but not when they push amnesty for illegals - why is that?   

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“The debate in Washington is over,” he said,

You lie!   :)

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This ALWAYS goes both ways. Fox anchors were complaining about congress wasting money having Colbert appear before them... when the republicans have had Sesame Street characters appear ..... It never ends.... both parties do the same things all the time, then bitch about the other party doing it..

True.

But, here not a word from the Libs. They have shown a hatred for anything that is religious in nature. Yet, they don't mind it if it's pushing their agenda. HYPOCRISY.
If you hate religion that much, as many LIBS claim they do, they need to condemn interaction between church and government at every turn. Not just when they try to legalize gay marriages, which by the way, the majority of citizens in every single state where the measure has been up for vote (whether they are religious or not)has VOTED AGAINST IT. The people spoke but the judges keep going against their will. That is an issue where it isn't the church meddling. People from all walks of life have voted to not allow it.

I just want consistency. Something that Libs don't have, eventhough they believe they know more than everyone else.

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Absolutely not - I don't remember you or anyone else complaining when Obama was using the black churches to campaign for him or the catholic churches pushing amnesty for illegals.

Yes, when the church pushes pro-life causes-  everyone freaks - but not when they push amnesty for illegals - why is that?   

I'm againt any church involvement in politics.  I may not have posted on every thread or you may not recall it but I've always been against it in all cases.  

I think my views on the intersection of church/religion/politics have been pretty well known even if you can't remember them

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You lie!   :)

Obama and his treasonous ilk have no idea the anger and fury they are causing with these disastrous policies.  

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You lie!   :)

Damn right he is lying. And anyone who believes that Obamacare is not in danger of being repealed has not been paying attention.

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Damn right he is lying. And anyone who believes that Obamacare is not in danger of being repealed has not been paying attention.

The stories are nationwide as to the price spikes obamaCare are causing. 

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yep and you bible thumping righties just shrugged it off and didn't have a problem with it so....what's the problem now?

we know it's going on, we can't stop it so let's just pull the tax exempt status (biggest fucking rip off in this country) and treat them like any other group

It appears you don't read very well. I don't have a problem with what Obama's doing, in this regard.

The point, which you clearly missed, was the absent of the howling from the left-winged goofies about politicians and churches, which normally occurs in cases involving state marriage amendments and pro-life rallies, as it relates to Obama's trying to get preachers to promote ObamaCare.

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It appears you don't read very well. I don't have a problem with what Obama's doing, in this regard.

The point, which you clearly missed, was the absent of the howling from the left-winged goofies about politicians and churches, which normally occurs in cases involving state marriage amendments and pro-life rallies, as it relates to Obama's trying to get preachers to promote ObamaCare.

here is your post which I responed to.

where do you say you're OK with it?

BTW - just so we're clear I'm NOT OK with it

Oh really!! Whenever Bush did his faith-based initiatve thing, or any pastor held a rally regarding things like marriage amendment, we usually hear lefties go bananas, yelp about "separation of church and state", wail about yanking tax-exempt status of churches, etc.

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here is your post which I responed to.

where do you say you're OK with it?

BTW - just so we're clear I'm NOT OK with it


You asked me, rhetorically, "what's the problem, now?", implying that I had an issue with Obama's asking the men of the cloth to pitch his healthcare law. I don't. In fact, you may recall that I refer to it as "Praise the Lord; and vote for me" politics in which both sides engage, during election cycles.

But, as stated earlier, why does left yelp about it, when churches and politicans get involved on certain issues (i.e. marriage amendments, abortion) but get mushmouthed when their candidates get the Holy Ghost, especially when they hit black churches?