pm question answered

[Luolamies]

^ Good post.

1 gram of eq would be nothing short of insanity and anyone doing that much is begging for serious health issues that are completely uncalled for...

[scottmarkley]

^ Good post.

1 gram of eq would be nothing short of insanity and anyone doing that much is begging for serious health issues that are completely uncalled for...

how much would you recommended ? 

[Luolamies]

how much would you recommended ? 

I've allways been pretty conservative with my drug doses and usage, i think that they should only be the "icing" unless you want to turn pro or something. So given that (allmost) no one uses equipoise alone, usually with testosterone at least i'd say 200-400 mg per week and 500 mg being the absolute maximum. But if you doing say 500 mg test per week, 25-50 mg dianabol/anadrol per day then 300 mg per week of eq is more than plenty...

[gh15]

^ Good post.

1 gram of eq would be nothing short of insanity and anyone doing that much is begging for serious health issues that are completely uncalled for...

WRONG!,,real equipona is what we bodybuilder are always in chase after ,,,ask anyone with good paste its sell like buns out of bakery ,,why? because it grow you LEAN ,,grow you LEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN,, grow your muscle from WI TH IN ,,ofcourse its easy to come to getbig board or other and say oh its insanity this and that becausw you fellas like to keep all equipoise for yourself and not share....common to all lieing scambag bodybuilder,,less you talk ...less masses know...less masses know...more for you

as i said before,, equipoise use for long periods of time as in 6 weeks and over will CHANGE ONES PHYSIQE DRAMATICALLY,,lean mass will increase and what happen wnen lean mass increase? that isi right my friend.....bf% decrease authomatically because....the lean muscle increase...the power of equipona is by the length and dose and quality of paste used,,

trust me,,you know when a bodybuilder use equipona wehter he is shirt on or off,,shirt on he may look big but everyone can be big...shirt off he will look CONDITIONAL BIG,,LEAN SIZE,,tight waist,,lean quality and if used with test FULL MUSCLE,,


neverthe less,,the equipona users are known moment you see them because wether they are bodybuilder or no they always get the quation ,,,do you work out,,do you personal trainer,, do you compete in sport,,why? because they got QUALITY MUSCLE MASS ON! quality muscle is always eye poping ALWAYS

1 gram eq is very typical VERY,,in any case the huge differewnces with eq hapen after week  6 at higher doses of 600-800mg plus,,that is when you see qualitative  volume to your physiqe,,that iw hwen you hear are you 250? while you sitting 230...because you are that damn lean and hold much quality even if not competetive bodybuilder

gh15 approved

[MORTALCOIL]

I think Jay is an exception. In fact, as far as bodybuilders go, he seems exceptional in a lot of ways -- except without the super great genetics. In a sport that attracts and breeds obsessive compulsive and addictive behavior Jay, again as far as bodybuilders go, seems like an exception. He strikes me as smart and down to earth and tries, as much as possible considering his occupation, to balance health and performance. Look at him off season. Does he really look like a multiple times Mr. O. compared to others he shares the stage with? Just big but smooth and husky. Doesn't look freaky like Ronnie use to look off season. Dex, Phil, Banch... all look way more impressive off season. Even Ronnie now always look like a freak in a sleeves shirt of tank with those massive vascular arms. And by off season I don't mean off training and drugs where someone like Melvin looks like Oprah with short hair. I mean, still training and juiced but just not for a show.

I think Jay tries to stay off the real harsh stuff until show time. When he was in Hawaii of course he looked stupid big but even some of the local bodybuilders here that will never be heard from looked more freaky -- just not as big.
 

That's probably true for the last two years and only to some extent. Still, you see pics of Jay off season look like he's sweating 'slin and Gh. He's smarter than the others that's for sure and he's being much more careful than he has in the past (2003 to 2007 where he looked terribly unhealthi off season). He's still on a shitload of drugs of course. But he doesn't bloat like he used to and that's why he's conditioning at the 'O has been better those past two years than anything past 2001.

[flinstones1]

serious bodybuilder dont use nandrolone nor primobolan,,he always on equipona,,equipona is the reason with trenbolona for modern competetive bodybuilder 80s 90s 2000s,,even in 70s still not to the abuse level of later on but still


key ingredients in bodybuilder arsenal is EQUIPONA,,more you use better you look,,you use over 1 g ram and you will be top amatuer in no time,,bf down lean muscle up all same time add trenbolona and its multiplied by 2  gh and its multiplying by  4,,all of them together and you have 240 lean bodybuilder at 5'10

key is consistancy and dose,,i cant keep mentioning more than i do ,,key key key is consistancy of the drug intake and dosage,,1000 mg of eq means competetive at high levels,,600 means wow from the people around your town ,,etc etc

gh15 approved

was equipoise even around in the 70's?

[makaveli25]

Best cycle ever was 750mg Test E and 600 mg of equippse and 50mg tren a eod. Instead of just getting big and bloated like on test and dbol I started loosing a little size at first but It was just my body comp changing. I got super lean from the equipose. I looked my best. Only problem my anxiety skyrocketed so did my red blood cell count and my blood pressure. I haven't used equipose since it took a long time to get my blood pressure back to normal. I remeber the doctor taking blood and it cougalated so quick I could of had a stroke easy!

[makaveli25]

bump for gh15

[Diesel495]

its great to hear other side of the story. gh15 will gets people killed

Best cycle ever was 750mg Test E and 600 mg of equippse and 50mg tren a eod. Instead of just getting big and bloated like on test and dbol I started loosing a little size at first but It was just my body comp changing. I got super lean from the equipose. I looked my best. Only problem my anxiety skyrocketed so did my red blood cell count and my blood pressure. I haven't used equipose since it took a long time to get my blood pressure back to normal. I remeber the doctor taking blood and it cougalated so quick I could of had a stroke easy!

[makaveli25]

It's great advice for people who have doctors checking their blood work all the time. I honestly think it could of killed me the doctor said my blood was like sludge running through my veins. Ill stick to a light dose of test and primo from now on. I do It just for fun.

[Fatpanda]

nothing remotely funny about that pic.

you should be ashamed.

[pellius]

It's great advice for people who have doctors checking their blood work all the time. I honestly think it could of killed me the doctor said my blood was like sludge running through my veins. Ill stick to a light dose of test and primo from now on. I do It just for fun.

So how do bodybuilders, who are on so much other stuff that raises red blood cells (even testosterone does that), survive? Does taking a blood thinner like aspirin help?

[makaveli25]

Bodybuilers take aspirin, blood pressure meds, ect. They also get blood drawn every so often to keep rbc count down.

[pellius]

Bodybuilers take aspirin, blood pressure meds, ect. They also get blood drawn every so often to keep rbc count down.

I've heard of the first two but never knew any bodybuilders that routinely gave blood.

Hopefully, gh15 will weigh in on this. I do remember gh15 saying that aspirin is commonly used. I remember it was even part of Ronnie's vitamin tray in one of his videos, along with Celebrex.

[no one]

I've heard of the first two but never knew any bodybuilders that routinely gave blood.

Hopefully, gh15 will weigh in on this. I do remember gh15 saying that aspirin is commonly used. I remember it was even part of Ronnie's vitamin tray in one of his videos, along with Celebrex.

some bodybuilders suffer from high iron counts which can be deadly. its a condition known as hemochromatosis. giving blood a couple times a year off sets this.

[Stavios]

some bodybuilders suffer from high iron counts which can be deadly. its a condition known as hemochromatosis. giving blood a couple times a year off sets this.

it's ok to give blood when you are on the sauce ?? 

[DK II]

it's ok to give blood when you are on the sauce ?? 

You don't have to tell them, you know.

[makaveli25]

You can mark don't use after you give blood. 

[Fatpanda]

some bodybuilders suffer from high iron counts which can be deadly. its a condition known as hemochromatosis. giving blood a couple times a year off sets this.

hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha what a stupid cu-nt you are.

every post you make trying to sound intelligent is funnier than the last.

which bodybuilders suffer from high iron counts ? and what element of bodybuilding caused this ?

you do realise that hemochromatosis is a mostly hereditary disaese, with the prime causes of secondary hemochromatosis is anemia 

i've not met many anemic bodybuilders 

[no one]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha what a stupid cu-nt you are.

every post you make trying to sound intelligent is funnier than the last.

which bodybuilders suffer from high iron counts ? and what element of bodybuilding caused this ?

you do realise that hemochromatosis is a mostly hereditary disaese, with the prime causes of secondary hemochromatosis is anemia  

i've not met many anemic bodybuilders  

ahahahahahaha

you stupid fat fuck.

keep talking about something, once again, you know nothing about.

i know several who have to give blood to offset high ferritin you fucking fat, stupid tool- i am one of them.

omg. you just keep time and again opening your kit-kat eating yob and ramming your foot right in there eh?

congratulations on being consistent- i couldnt imagine how difficult it would be to be that stupid, all the time.

[pellius]

some bodybuilders suffer from high iron counts which can be deadly. its a condition known as hemochromatosis. giving blood a couple times a year off sets this.

Maybe so, but is it common for bodybuilders to regularly give blood. And what about endurance athletes like Lance Armstrong. They will have a naturally high red blood cell count just from the type of training they do. Add EPO to the mix and I would think it would have far more effect than equiponalona. Are these emaciated athletes have to also give blood regularly? Also, giving blood would seem to defeat the purpose of what you are trying to do. Back in the day before these drugs became common they did blood doping in which they would add their own blood which they had previously drawn and stored.

[no one]

Maybe so, but is it common for bodybuilders to regularly give blood. And what about endurance athletes like Lance Armstrong. They will have a naturally high red blood cell count just from the type of training they do. Add EPO to the mix and I would think it would have far more effect than equiponalona. Are these emaciated athletes have to also give blood regularly? Also, giving blood would seem to defeat the purpose of what you are trying to do. Back in the day before these drugs became common they did blood doping in which they would add their own blood which they had previously drawn and stored.

sometimes you don't have much choice. you wouldn't really think it that dangerous but excessive iron can be a very big deal, causing possible organ problems- the liver and the heart for example. take an iron overload, combine it with high ferritin levels and liver enzymes elevated and your looking at hemochromotisis, which isn't due to anabolics usage itself but taking into account the 3 aforementioned factors  (iron overload, elevated liver enzymes and high ferritin) and it all kinda looks like the perfect storm.

i guess the unintelligent obese poster, 'fatpanda', who likes to run around the board dispensing advise, who has in fact posted several times in this thread failed to draw the above correlation before making himself look utterly stupid once again.

not entirely surprising.

[dustin]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha what a stupid cu-nt you are.

every post you make trying to sound intelligent is funnier than the last.

which bodybuilders suffer from high iron counts ? and what element of bodybuilding caused this ?

you do realise that hemochromatosis is a mostly hereditary disaese, with the prime causes of secondary hemochromatosis is anemia 

i've not met many anemic bodybuilders 

You said it, you fat fuck. Its not always hereditary.

BTW, you're fat as fuck. Your training, diet and efforts are abismal and too depressing to follow.

[pellius]

sometimes you don't have much choice. you wouldn't really think it that dangerous but excessive iron can be a very big deal, causing possible organ problems- the liver and the heart for example. take an iron overload, combine it with high ferritin levels and liver enzymes elevated and your looking at hemochromotisis, which isn't due to anabolics usage itself but taking into account the 3 aforementioned factors  (iron overload, elevated liver enzymes and high ferritin) and it all kinda looks like the perfect storm.

i guess the unintelligent obese poster, 'fatpanda', who likes to run around the board dispensing advise, who has in fact posted several times in this thread failed to draw the above correlation before making himself look utterly stupid once again.

not entirely surprising.

But aren't we talking about red blood cells, hemocrit levels, and not iron levels. I think there's probably a correlation but not a causation. At one point, after a blood test, it showed that my iron levels were on the low side although I had a high hemocrit level. It was over 50. Like around 53 or so.

[Captain Equipoise]

Just so you guys understand, a higher red blood cell count keeps volume in your muscle and looking pumped 24 hours a day..

that given I've never used more then 600mg of eq, ever..