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[Van_Bilderass]

Then tell us 'o great one, why are the other steroids not used medically with anemiacs ?! (people with low RED BLOOD CELL counts) and only ANADROL is, since EQ is a Vet steroid and there IS NO HUMAN GRADE MADE ANYWHERE that is not underground.

You can quote anecdotes all you want, one of vet's (horse)  that I was buying my Equipoise from at the race track told me they use EQ specifically because it increases RBC and gives the horse phenomenal stamina in a race situation.

All right, listen closely now. Just because a particular steroid has a specific indication DOES NOT mean it's the most potent choice in that regard. An example: Oxandrin is the only steroid with the specific indication of increasing weight in otherwise healthy individuals. Is oxandrolone the most potent oral 'weight gainer'? It is not. A drug company simply picks a steroid out of hundreds or thousands and then has trials to see if it works. If it does, it may be pursued for approval for a specific indication. Do they compare all steroids head to head? they do not. Is Arimidex the most potent AI? It's not. Politics also comes in. Dianabol could not be pursued as a 'weight gainer' due to its history.

Show me EQ was specifically developed as an RBC booster for horses. I don't know for sure but I very much doubt it. It was simply picked out of the many already synthesized in a lab, for whatever reason.

This is one of the only winstrol's the pro's will use.

Any contest you can go to look at the top 5 and put a shirt on them: this body was built by Zambon

I've used lots of Zambon injectables and the tiny 2mg Zambon tabs straight from the pharmacy. All it's good for is the last few weeks because it doesn't bloat you. It can be substituted with any number of other comparatively weak drugs.

[Captain Equipoise]

All right, listen closely now. Just because a particular steroid has a specific indication DOES NOT mean it's the most potent choice in that regard. An example: Oxandrin is the only steroid with the specific indication of increasing weight in otherwise healthy individuals. Is oxandrolone the most potent oral 'weight gainer'? It is not. A drug company simply picks a steroid out of hundreds or thousands and then has trials to see if it works. If it does, it may be pursued for approval for a specific indication. Do they compare all steroids head to head? they do not. Is Arimidex the most potent AI? It's not. Politics also comes in. Dianabol could not be pursued as a 'weight gainer' due to its history.

Show me EQ was specifically developed as an RBC booster for horses. I don't know for sure but I very much doubt it. It was simply picked out of the many already synthesized in a lab, for whatever reason.

So now your opinion should be taken over panels of doctors and studies put on by comercial companies...wow you must have multiple ph.d's to get that kind of pull... also I've never stated EQ was developed for that particular purpose but that is a big part of what it does. EQ will raise RBC more then any other steroid other then anadrol.

[Van_Bilderass]

So now your opinion should be taken over panels of doctors and studies put on by comercial companies...wow you must have multiple ph.d's to get that kind of pull... also I've never stated EQ was developed for that particular purpose but that is a big part of what it does. EQ will raise RBC more then any other steroid other then anadrol.

Are you a PhD? If not, give references where the PhDs back your statements.

Show me it increases RBCs more than any other steroid. I already posted a quote by Llewellyn with references.

[StanZoLOL]

I've used lots of Zambon injectables and the tiny 2mg Zambon tabs straight from the pharmacy. All it's good for is the last few weeks because it doesn't bloat you. It can be substituted with any number of other comparatively weak drugs.

I usually like your posts Van, but Zambon's gave me great strength gains- on par with most anything I've tried except Tren or Dbol. I guess weak is relative dependent on the purpose of use, but it made me a lot stronger and more vascular.

[claymore]

This. 50mg EOD of the Spanish Zambon winny is surprisingly potent.

Real zambon winstrol is AMAZING stuff.

[Captain Equipoise]

Are you a PhD? If not, give references where the PhDs back your statements.

Show me it increases RBCs more than any other steroid. I already posted a quote by Llewellyn with references.

As much as I would like to stay here and debate someone who obviously hasn't lifted in years.. I actually have to go meet my friend at the gym and get a workout in, I'm sure you can post some great stuff while I am gone and getting big though..

[Palpatine Q]

Are you a PhD? If not, give references where the PhDs back your statements.

Show me it increases RBCs more than any other steroid. I already posted a quote by Llewellyn with references.

Yeah but you look like you have never set foot in a gym....so if I'm Joe blow and I'm deciding which "expert" advices I should take....do I listen to the Guy who obviously puts in the time and looks the part....or the Guy who posts study after study but looks like shit..... all things being equal as they are both intelligent people?

[kevinf]

Yeah but you look like you have never set foot in a gym....so if I'm Joe blow and I'm deciding which "expert" advices I should take....do I listen to the Guy who obviously puts in the time and looks the part....or the Guy who posts study after study but looks like shit..... all things being equal as they are both intelligent people?

that guy is not Van btw. Has captain eq posted a pic?
but how they look like is besides the point tho,  the shit van says is always spot on.
 alot of IFBB pros look the part of a an "expert" but at the same time they wouldnt be able to kick any drug knowledge at you.
Fatpanda is a different case tho, he just says complete bullshit and hes a 40yr old virgin.

[4thAD]

What the fuck are you talking about. Show me the numerous posts where I've "been on his nuts". Fact of the matter is that I've posted this same exact thing several times previously here, and it's likely tbombz picked it up from me.

What have I posted that is BS? You can't debate me on a single steroid related topic and win. And my real life experience is guaranteed way more vast than yours. You are nothing but a shill for shitty UG labs.
No, anyone who has used EQ can't testify to this effect. You can't feel it... which is why you need labs.
Let me guess, Llewellyn is totally wrong also?

tbombz is young and likely to change his opinion on a number of subjects in the future but he has way more smarts than you when it comes to drugs.

You can shove the shill BS right up your twink ass Van. I don't shill for anyone, look through my posts and you will see. The only time I even mention the one UG I use is when someone asks about it. I also use lots of HG gear. I talked more about that particular UG before I was a mod here, but since I became a mod here I don't even hardly mention UG 's.  I don't feel the need to win a debate on steroids with you or anyone else, my body is proof enough for ME.

[Palpatine Q]

that guy is not Van btw. Has captain eq posted a pic?
but how they look like is besides the point tho,  the shit van says is always spot on.
 alot of IFBB pros look the part of a an "expert" but at the same time they wouldnt be able to kick any drug knowledge at you.
Fatpanda is a different case tho, he just says complete bullshit and hes a 40yr old virgin.

I've seen pics of both of them.

CAPT EQ is a very big, very muscular dude. Van B looks like an old man which needs to lose a few lbs.

It seems that some "gurus" here are just guys who have to be right all the time...no matter what.

And others are guys who actually speak on their personal experience and don't ridicule others unless they are provoked.

[Stavios]

I know for a fact that this isn't Van.

Van isn't built like a bodybuilder but he is crazy strong and he has more than decent size

[StanZoLOL]

Can someone post the pic of Van, or is this gonna be like the Dina Al-Sabbah asshole pic everyone talks about but never posts?  

[Van_Bilderass]

As much as I would like to stay here and debate someone who obviously hasn't lifted in years.. I actually have to go meet my friend at the gym and get a workout in, I'm sure you can post some great stuff while I am gone and getting big though..

Why are you challenging me then? When asked for proof you have shit for answers.

I don't feel the need to win a debate on steroids with you or anyone else, my body is proof enough for ME.

Don't challenge an opinion if you aren't willing to back your BS up.

I know for a fact that this isn't Van.

Van isn't built like a bodybuilder but he is crazy strong and he has more than decent size

Yeah I've always said I'm nothing special physique wise. I don't have a bodybuilder look (though I did step on stage once ). I'm a weight lifting enthusiast, nothing more.

[Van_Bilderass]

I usually like your posts Van, but Zambon's gave me great strength gains- on par with most anything I've tried except Tren or Dbol. I guess weak is relative dependent on the purpose of use, but it made me a lot stronger and more vascular.

Personal experience does vary. There are plenty of very advanced bodybuilders who do not care for it though.

I've seen pics of both of them.

CAPT EQ is a very big, very muscular dude. Van B looks like an old man which needs to lose a few lbs.

It seems that some "gurus" here are just guys who have to be right all the time...no matter what.

And others are guys who actually speak on their personal experience and don't ridicule others unless they are provoked.

Did you see me first ridicule others here? All I said was I agreed with tbombz. Then Captain EQ and 4thAD come on and start talking shit with nothing to back it up. This particular point has nothing to do with how anyone looks, either a compound is proven superior in some aspect or it is not. If researchers wanted to compare steroids head to head in RBC boosting capability in a new study would they simply ask bodybuilders? Hell no.

[Palpatine Q]

Personal experience does vary.

 [b]There are plenty of very advanced bodybuilders who do not care for it though.[/b]

Did you see me first ridicule others here? All I said was I agreed with tbombz. Then Captain EQ and 4thAD come on and start talking shit with nothing to back it up. This particular point has nothing to do with how anyone looks, either a compound is proven superior in some aspect or it is not. If researchers wanted to compare steroids head to head in RBC boosting capability in a new study would they simply ask bodybuilders? Hell no.

post a study proving that statement !!!!!!!!!!

[Van_Bilderass]

You are wrong, that's exactly what is so special about EQ, why it was designed for Equidae (horses) it dramatically increases the red blood cell count more then any other steroid,

Go back to the library kid.

And amazingly, nowhere in the vet indication is there mention of RBC boosting. It's long acting anabolic/low androgenic steroid. Those are the desired effects.

Manufacturer: Fort Dodge
Boldenone Undecylenate Injection

For intramuscular use in horses only

NADA 34-705, Approved by FDA
Equipoise Caution: Federal Law Restricts This Drug To Use By Or On The Order Of A Licensed Veterinarian.
Description

Equipoise (Boldenone Undecylenate Injection) is a long-acting injectable anabolic agent for horses, supplied in a vial providing 50 mg boldenone undecylenate per mL in sesame oil with 3% (w/v) benzyl alcohol as a preservative.

Equipoise is a steroid ester possessing marked anabolic properties and a minimal amount of androgenic activity.

Anabolic and androgenic agents have come to be used widely in the treatment of certain pathophysiological or catabolic processes in man and animals. In many instances it is desirable to maintain a constant level of effect over a long period of time. Equipoise is a long-acting injectable agent which has a rapid onset of action; this is advantageous and is preferred over frequent oral dosing or even repeated injections.

Actions

Anabolic agents are related to the sex hormones, but each varies in its anabolic and androgenic effect. Compounds such as methyltestosterone have anabolic activity, but with prolonged use, animals develop marked androgenic activity which makes these compounds unsuitable for prolonged therapy.

Pharmacological studies conducted in laboratory animals to evaluate the pharmacological activity characterized Equipoise as having distinct anabolic properties together with a certain degree of androgenic activity. It does not have marked antigonadotropic properties nor does it produce any clear-cut effects on the endometrium, conditions that are commonly observed when similar substances are used.

In clinical trials, at the recommended dosage, Equipoise had a marked anabolic effect in debilitated horses; appetite improved, vigor increased and improvement was noted in musculature and haircoat. This would be expected with an anabolic agent such as Equipoise, particularly where there had been marked tissue breakdown associated with disease, prolonged anorexia or overwork.

Equipoise Indications

Equipoise (Boldenone Undecylenate Injection) is recommended as an aid for treating debilitated horses when an improvement in weight, haircoat or general physical condition is desired. Debilitation often follows disease or may occur following overwork and overexertion.

Equipoise improves the general state of debilitated horses, thus aiding in correcting weight losses and improving appetite. It is not a substitute for a well-balanced diet. Optimal results can be expected only when good management and feeding practices are utilized.

Equipoise should be considered only as adjunctive therapy to other specific and supportive therapy for diseases, surgical cases and traumatic injuries.

http://www.drugs.com/vet/equipoise.html

[StanZoLOL]

Personal experience does vary. There are plenty of very advanced bodybuilders who do not care for it though.

Obviously they didn't get real Zambon. 

[Van_Bilderass]

post a study proving that statement !!!!!!!!!!

There is NOTHING wrong with personal experience. If someone says they got veiny and skin took on a nice glow from EQ then there's nothing to dispute. It's a subjective report. However if you make a statement of fact, and further claim this has been proven in studies then I have a problem because it's bullshit. Captain EQ says boldenone is superior as an RBC booster... well, prove it then. If he said he had done tons of blood work showing it's more potent than say Deca at the same dosage I wouldn't have anything to say either. That's his experience. But to state this across the board would be wrong.

And lets be real, how many do frequent blood work? Very very few. That's why juicers rely on steroid profiles for "facts".

[Captain Equipoise]

Att: Bilderass - here's my BACKUP.

just got back from a great workout while Bilderass spent time searching for studies to back up his internet claims..oh brother   

Groink you're looking swole btw! thanks for the kind words.

[Captain Equipoise]

Obviously they didn't get real Zambon. 

x2

most seen here are fakes, if it's not coming directly from Spain through one of a few known exporters then it's bullshit.

Same thing with Schering proviron and primo, tons of fakes, clueless gym rats just don't know what the real deal looks like so they give it a bad name because they got fakes... don't even get me started on the Sustanon line..

real gear is like magic, you take reasonable amounts and you f*cking GROW, without effort, without try.

[Van_Bilderass]

Att: Bilderass - here's my BACKUP.

just got back from a great workout while Bilderass spent time searching for studies to back up his internet claims..oh brother   

Groink you're looking swole btw! thanks for the kind words.

Wow, you really owned me. I'm a believer now, EQ really does boost RBCs more than any other steroid. That pic is all the proof I need. You can clearly see the RBCs flowing under the skin.

[Fatpanda]

Speaking of lying....got any pics of you at 9% (LOL).....or 290 (LOLOL)   

yes to both.

i'm not the lying gear abuser here porky  not to mention the crack, heroin, meth etc etc 

[Captain Equipoise]

Wow, you really owned me. I'm a believer now, EQ really does boost RBCs more than any other steroid. That pic is all the proof I need. You can clearly see the RBCs flowing under the skin.

You're right dude, we should all quit working out , get fat and old and look like the twink you are.

love the filename getbig gave you, it all makes sense.

[Fatpanda]

This. 50mg EOD of the Spanish Zambon winny is surprisingly potent.

i agree, best strength gains i ever got were using 1 amp every 2nd day.

not 1 underground substance gave me anywhere near it. 

[Van_Bilderass]

You're right dude, we should all quit working out , get fat and old and look like the twink you are.

love the filename getbig gave you, it all makes sense.

Even if that was me it wouldn't change a thing. You were talking out of your ass.

But maybe I am a guy from Bel Air? 
http://www.myspace.com/55657839

i agree, best strength gains i ever got were using 1 amp every 2nd day.

not 1 underground substance gave me anywhere near it.  

I once used about 100 amps of Zambon at 2 per day and remember thinking even 10mg of Akrihin dbol beats it.