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Top supermarkets secretly sell halal: Sainsbury's, Tesco, Waitrose, and M&S don't tell us meat is ritually slaughtered

By ABUL TAHER
Last updated at 11:25 PM on 25th September 2010
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Most lamb imported from New Zealand by British supermarkets has been slaughtered according to Muslim law

Britain's biggest supermarket chains are selling halal lamb and chicken without telling unsuspecting shoppers.

Those stocking meat slaughtered according to Islamic law include Waitrose, Marks & Spencer, Sainsbury’s, Tesco, Somerfield and the Co-op.

And a Mail on Sunday investigation has found that fast-food chains including Domino’s Pizza, Pizza Hut, KFC, Nando’s and Subway are also using halal meat without telling customers.

But the UK’s second-biggest supermarket, Asda, has refused to confirm or deny whether it sells halal meat.

The Mail on Sunday contacted Asda on Tuesday, but by yesterday it had failed to answer any of our questions.

Initially, Waitrose, Sainsbury’s and Tesco were reluctant to admit they sold halal meat. But later they confessed to selling Islamically slaughtered lamb. Tesco also admitted selling some halal chicken without labelling it as such.

Most lamb imported from New Zealand by British supermarkets has been slaughtered according to Muslim law, but this is not mentioned on packaging. Some lamb from British abattoirs is also halal.

Last night, Agriculture Minister Jim Paice said: ‘People should know what they’re buying in the shops or when they’re eating out and I will be discussing with the food industry the role labelling can play in giving consumers a choice.’

The supermarkets and fast-food outlets said they did not feel the need to tell customers that meat is halal because the slaughter conformed to Western standards, with animals stunned before being killed.

But the RSPCA has raised concerns about the way chicken is killed in Islamic abattoirs because the birds are stunned with a weaker electric current, which does not guarantee unconsciousness during slaughter.

Our enquiries have found that Subway uses some Islamically slaughtered chicken that has not been stunned.

Non-Muslim religious leaders say that Christians, Hindus or Sikhs may find it offensive to eat meat slaughtered according to Islamic ritual. Jews are unlikely to be exposed to such meat because they eat kosher, or animals slaughtered according to Jewish law.

Last week The Mail on Sunday revealed how halal food was being served to unsuspecting people in hospitals, schools and pubs across the UK.



The country’s biggest hotel and restaurant group, Whitbread– which owns the Beefeater and Brewers Fayre chains – was also selling halal food, as were well-known sporting venues such as Ascot, Twicken ham and Wembley.

Under Islamic law, an animal must be slaughtered by having its throat cut while it is conscious.

All its blood must drain out, otherwise Muslims regard it as impure. The person carrying out the killing has to recite an Arabic verse at the time.brings the practice in line with Western methods.

All Islamically slaughtered lamb and chicken sold in British supermarkets is stunned before being killed, but is not labelled as halal. Moderate Islamic groups allow animals to be stunned before slaughter, which brings the
practice in line with Western methods.

Inayat Bunglawala, the chair of Muslims4UK, said: ‘Supermarkets should not be afraid of labelling their products as halal. Halal meat tastes just the same as non-halal meat.’



But Mike Judge, from the campaign group the Christian Institute, said: ‘The idea of having Islamic ritual said over meat would be objectionable to some Christians. I would find it objectionable, so it should be labelled as halal.’

Initially, Tesco and Waitrose were reluctant to admit they sold any halal meat. Tesco said in a statement: ‘It is not the case that all the meat we sell is halal or that our suppliers only offer halal meat.’

But when quizzed further, a spokesman said: ‘All our New Zealand lamb is halal-slaughtered, as is 35 per cent of our UK lamb. Less than five per cent of our chicken is halal.’

A Waitrose spokeswoman said in her first statement: ‘I can confirm that Waitrose does not sell any halal meat.’

But a day later, another spokes woman said: ‘You mentioned the [Islamic] prayer said at the point of slaughter. This applies to all our lamb but not to beef or poultry.’

M&S said in its first statement: ‘No meat sourced by M&S from the UK is halal.’ When asked about lamb, a spokeswoman said: ‘Our New Zealand lamb is halal-slaughtered but pre-stunned.’

A Sainsbury’s spokesman said: ‘The abattoirs that supply us with lamb are licensed by the Muslim authorities and a prayer is said when the animals are killed.’

Sandwich chain Subway admitted that up to five per cent of its chicken is Islam ically slaughtered without being stunned.

Subway said in a statement: ‘By mid-November there will be no halal meat in our non-halal stores. The meat served in halal Subway stores is not stunned before slaughter.’

Domino’s Pizza said it had served Islamically slaughtered chicken in most of its 580 outlets for ten years.

A spokeswoman said: ‘The majority of our chicken is halal slaughtered, but it is all stunned prior to slaughter.’

Pizza Hut and KFC, through their PR firm Freud Com munications, said: ‘We use a number of international suppliers, some of whom provide halal chicken as standard practice.

‘Importantly, all of the chicken we source, halal or otherwise, is stunned before slaughter.’

Nando’s said: ‘All of our chickens are stunned first. A small proportion of all the chicken sold in our restaurants is halal.’

They HAVE to tell us what we're buying
Analysis by Richard North

Even though I’ve seen it done thousands of times, you never really get used to watching animals being killed. But as long as we eat meat, it has to be done. And it is our duty as a society to ensure that the procedure is carried out humanely and with as much dignity as possible.

Society also has to respect religious freedom and rituals, and I don’t have a problem with that. I am, however, uneasy that the laws that require humane killing of animals for meat – particularly that they must be rendered insensible before being slaughtered – do not apply to Jews for their kosher meat and Muslims for halal foods.

It is a fudge we have all lived with, however uneasily, for years, feeling safe in the knowledge that this is very much a niche market. Only last week the Office for National Statistics reported that just four per cent of the British population was Muslim.

Surely, if you want halal or kosher meat, you go to a specialist butcher and everybody else can be confident their meat is produced to more humane standards?

Well, actually, no. That choice has been scandalously taken away from us. Not only are we deliberately not informed if our meat is produced according to religious ritual, many retailers do not even know.

And there is only one real reason: profit. The reality of modern meat production, both here and abroad, is that most animals are killed in vast, modern slaughterhouses.

Once there were small, specialist kosher and halal producers, but now the trade has been taken over by industrial concerns. To cover the increasing demand for halal meat, these corporate slaughterhouses have either had to introduce halal methods or buy in halal meat from specialist butchers.

The choice is either to introduce a separate production line or to take the cost-cutting option of having just one production line. But in this one-size-fits-all world, it’s not the most humane and dignified method of slaughter – the one enshrined in British and EU law – that wins out.

No, the ‘one-size’ is the less humane method of killing tailored to the religious demands of just four per cent of the population. Since it is not illegal to palm off halal meat on non-Muslims, that is being done on a massive scale. And there is nothing the Government or the EU can or will do about it.

The UK has draconian regulation, far more rigorous than in the rest of Europe. But this was supported by the large slaughterhouses which thought that closing down smaller competition would increase their market share and profit margins.

In this country, the combined pressure of regulation and the greed of commercial producers have ensured local butchers are now rare, and local slaughterhouses even rarer. And it is the
massive factory abattoir, hidden from sight, that perpetrate these practices.

Thus, commercial greed has found a way of circumventing a law that we, in our ignorance, expect to be obeyed and that we have a right to see obeyed.

We do not expect commercial interests to prevail, on a technicality, over something that many campaigned for – the humane slaughter of our animals.

This is not only commercially wrong, morally it is a disgrace.

* Author and journalist Dr Richard North is a qualified meat inspector and former technical adviser to the Small Abattoirs Association.


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More stealth jihad. Funny how they're shoving halal food down people's throats without so much as telling them.

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Hey BF what is your issue with this issue?  Is it the non labelling of halal killed meat or the inhumane killing or animals?
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I would think both. But then again, Muslims have no respect for human life, so why should anyone be surprised or offended by the way they treat their livestock? It's a slight step above how they treat women.

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how do you feel about the treatment of animals here in america both slaughtered and pre-slaughter?  you must find that quite disgusting too correct?
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What does America as a country have to do with Halal? FYI there is Halal in America as well.

You really are a walking liberal stereotype. I'd be willing to bet that your last name is Leibowitz, but you march in Pro Palestinian rallies.

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Hahahaha. George, go easy on the guy as he's fucking retarded when it comes to discussing anything involving Islam.

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What does America as a country have to do with Halal? FYI there is Halal in America as well.

You really are a walking liberal stereotype. I'd be willing to bet that your last name is Leibowitz, but you march in Pro Palestinian rallies.

 ;D  ;D

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i dont care if they kill the food with a sledge hammer or a machine gun... just get it to my plate and i'm happy.

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i dont care if they kill the food with a sledge hammer or a machine gun... just get it to my plate and i'm happy.

Unless its Todd making moose burgers right?   ;D  ;D

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Re: Britain goes Halal, but nobody tells the public. Where's PETA on this one?
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2010, 12:40:24 PM »
Unless its Todd making moose burgers right?   ;D  ;D

ah yes, the hubby of the mayor determined to give obama another 4 years.

i'm not a fan of their ilk.

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Re: Britain goes Halal, but nobody tells the public. Where's PETA on this one?
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2010, 12:41:01 PM »
BF - why? 

Oh man I wish I didnt watch that. 

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Re: Britain goes Halal, but nobody tells the public. Where's PETA on this one?
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2010, 12:41:47 PM »
BF - why? 

Oh man I wish I didnt watch that. 

And one wonders why they don't tell anyone that the meat they're eating is halal.  :D

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Re: Britain goes Halal, but nobody tells the public. Where's PETA on this one?
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2010, 12:50:30 PM »
i love meat as much as the next guy but fuck that is disturbing :-[

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Re: Britain goes Halal, but nobody tells the public. Where's PETA on this one?
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2010, 12:52:37 PM »
What does America as a country have to do with Halal? FYI there is Halal in America as well.

You really are a walking liberal stereotype. I'd be willing to bet that your last name is Leibowitz, but you march in Pro Palestinian rallies.

Have i opinied in either the positive or negative on this issue?  All i've pointed out is that if this is truly an animal rights issue why is there no attack on the meat industry in America and elsewhere?  Why only attack the use of halal killing as inhumane?  I can point to many examples of US meat processing plants stamping on dying animals, animals mutilated and tortured before slaughter by sadistic meat workers.  Where is the condemnation of that?  
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Re: Britain goes Halal, but nobody tells the public. Where's PETA on this one?
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2010, 12:55:48 PM »
Have i opinied in either the positive or negative on this issue?  All i've pointed out is that if this is truly an animal rights issue why is there no attack on the meat industry in America and elsewhere?  Why only attack the use of halal killing as inhumane?  I can point to many examples of US meat processing plants stamping on dying animals, animals mutilated and tortured before slaughter by sadistic meat workers.  Where is the condemnation of that?  

Oh my, here comes the moral equivalence argument. There's a fucking shocker.  ::)

Hahaha, you're such a c*nt. I love your infatuation with popping up in every thread about Islam just so you can make that idiotic argument. You really are incapable of actually contributing anything beyond that to a topic, aren't you?

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Re: Britain goes Halal, but nobody tells the public. Where's PETA on this one?
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2010, 12:57:35 PM »
Now to where i stand on this issue.  I find it just as disturbing as i do the abattoirs of America.  I have long boycotted American mass produced meat, chicken and eggs because of the cruel, abhorrent and inhumane conditions these animals have to go through.  

I do eat meat but it's killed in as painless and respectful way as possible.  

I'm still curious as to where you all stand on American abattoirs i haven't gotten an answer yet...
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Re: Britain goes Halal, but nobody tells the public. Where's PETA on this one?
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2010, 12:59:03 PM »
Oh my, here comes the moral equivalence argument. There's a fucking shocker.  ::)

Hahaha, you're such a c*nt. I love your infatuation with popping up in every thread about Islam just so you can make that idiotic argument. You really are incapable of actually contributing anything beyond that to a topic, aren't you?

What's this you haven't answered the question i asked?  It seems a pretty simple question BF.  What is your view on the American abattoirs.   I personally don't like halal killing i think it's unnecessary and barbaric. 
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Re: Britain goes Halal, but nobody tells the public. Where's PETA on this one?
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2010, 01:00:59 PM »
Now to where i stand on this issue.  I find it just as disturbing as i do the abattoirs of America.  I have long boycotted American mass produced meat, chicken and eggs because of the cruel, abhorrent and inhumane conditions these animals have to go through.  

I do eat meat but it's killed in as painless and respectful way as possible.  

I'm still curious as to where you all stand on American abattoirs i haven't gotten an answer yet...

You think we support stomping on chickens, douche bag? That seems to be the argument you seem to be making. This country has laws and regulations that do a decent enough job ensuring that the meat is killing as humanely as possible.

I prefer my meat stunned before being killed as opposed to having its head just about severed while its still alive and I wouldn't eat any halal meat. I suspect a lot of British people wouldn't either but not like they have that choice due to the pandering to Islamic supremacism.

I like how you try to sound intelligent by not calling them slaughterhouses. Your genius-level intellect definitely oozes through your posts.  ::)

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Re: Britain goes Halal, but nobody tells the public. Where's PETA on this one?
« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2010, 01:01:12 PM »
BF what is your opinion on chickens not being protected by the Humane Methods of Slaughter Act?  
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Re: Britain goes Halal, but nobody tells the public. Where's PETA on this one?
« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2010, 01:02:02 PM »
BF what is your opinion on chickens not being protected by the Humane Methods of Slaughter Act?  

What is your opinion on douche bags who pander to Islam and make moral equivalence arguments in every single one of their posts while doing everything in their power to avoid the topic at hand?

This thread isn't about America, c*nt. It's about Halal food preparation and the fact that markets are selling to the British without telling them their meat was prepared in accordance with Islamic law.

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Re: Britain goes Halal, but nobody tells the public. Where's PETA on this one?
« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2010, 01:06:06 PM »
You think we support stomping on chickens, douche bag? That seems to be the argument you seem to be making. This country has laws and regulations that do a decent enough job ensuring that the meat is killing as humanely as possible.

I prefer my meat stunned before being killed as opposed to having its head just about severed while its still alive and I wouldn't eat any halal meat. I suspect a lot of British people wouldn't either but not like they have that choice due to the pandering to Islamic supremacism.

I like how you try to sound intelligent by not calling them slaughterhouses. Your genius-level intellect definitely oozes through your posts.  ::)

Did i say you supported it?  
You do understand chickens aren't stunned before they are killed, they legally aren't covered by the Humane Methods of Slaughter Act.  And even then it's not uncommon for pigs and cows to be less 'stunned' than others (once the line starts they don't pause or stop to re-stun or ensure they are in fact stunned before slaughter.

I'm not saying you shouldn't be upset about the halal killing of so many animals nor the non labelling of it as such.  You have ever right to be and i stand in the same way on this issue.  

I've always been more comfortable calling it an abattoir so i've never really thought of it any different.  
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Re: Britain goes Halal, but nobody tells the public. Where's PETA on this one?
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2010, 01:07:43 PM »
What is your opinion on douche bags who pander to Islam and make moral equivalence arguments in every single one of their posts while doing everything in their power to avoid the topic at hand?

This thread isn't about America, c*nt. It's about Halal food preparation and the fact that markets are selling to the British without telling them their meat was prepared in accordance with Islamic law.

I see.  So this is a problem because it's Islamic not because it's an animal rights issue? 
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Re: Britain goes Halal, but nobody tells the public. Where's PETA on this one?
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2010, 01:10:24 PM »
Did i say you supported it?  
You do understand chickens aren't stunned before they are killed, they legally aren't covered by the Humane Methods of Slaughter Act.  And even then it's not uncommon for pigs and cows to be less 'stunned' than others (once the line starts they don't pause or stop to re-stun or ensure they are in fact stunned before slaughter.

I'm not saying you shouldn't be upset about the halal killing of so many animals nor the non labelling of it as such.  You have ever right to be and i stand in the same way on this issue.  

I've always been more comfortable calling it an abattoir so i've never really thought of it any different.  

It is what it is. We have regulations and laws regarding the preparation of meat in this country. I would get behind fining the ever-loving shit out of slaughterhouses that violate said laws and regulations.

Unfortunately, organizations like PETA and the like are nothing more than opportunist douche bags who are more concerned with throwing paint on people like Kim Kardashian so that they can get more press and they can't be bothered with actually changing the industry.

I see.  So this is a problem because it's Islamic not because it's an animal rights issue? 

It's a problem that's a result of both issues, douche bag. This is an animal rights issue that's come into the light because of Islamic law taking precedent over everything else. Why should non-Muslims be forced to eat halal meat?

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Re: Britain goes Halal, but nobody tells the public. Where's PETA on this one?
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2010, 01:16:40 PM »
They shouldn't be forced to eat halal killed meat i agree 100%.  But to act like this is a new issue and to act like it's such a big animal rights issue for you is a bit rich to take.  Sorry it just is. 
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