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computer advancement? I have often wondered about this and having just arrived in London on a Boeing 747 of much the same proportions as one I took 25 years ago, I have to ask, what gives? Now, maybe I am wrong and just not in the know but the commercial planes fly the same, take just as long if not longer and, and and...

Of course it could be a fuel issue, in that any true technological advancement in aviation mechanics would require a concommitant advancement in our energy sources but I don't know.

Does anyone here know anything about this?
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Re: Why the seeming lack of progess in aviation technology compared to...
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2010, 04:16:03 PM »
Not enough companys fighting against each other? Not enough companys having the money to do so? Im guessing making a new chip in a comp is cheaper then a new plane

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Re: Why the seeming lack of progess in aviation technology compared to...
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2010, 04:17:24 PM »
Not enough companys fighting against each other? Not enough companys having the money to do so?

I am not sure but it is a seriously strange thing. I mean basically we fly around in the same jets as 30 years ago. Can you tell me any other area of human life where things are pretty much the same as 30 years ago? Hard thing to think of...
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Re: Why the seeming lack of progess in aviation technology compared to...
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2010, 04:19:48 PM »
there still trying to reverse engineer the flying abilities of the alien aircraft, they have conquered the computer part of the aircraft now working on the flying part of it, how fast it accelerates so it doesn't rip your body apart so on and so on.

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Re: Why the seeming lack of progess in aviation technology compared to...
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2010, 04:20:20 PM »
I am not sure but it is a seriously strange thing. I mean basically we fly around in the same jets as 30 years ago. Can you tell me any other are of human life where things are pretty much the same as 30 years ago? Hard thing to think of...

There is probably a size limit to make the traveling money efficent due to needing more engines/fuel and at this point maby its maxed out..

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Re: Why the seeming lack of progess in aviation technology compared to...
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2010, 04:21:43 PM »
There is probably a size limit to make the traveling money efficent due to needing more engines/fuel and at this point maby its maxed out..

Yeah, probably has something to do with fuel and engines...those fucking bastards.... :-\
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Re: Why the seeming lack of progess in aviation technology compared to...
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2010, 04:24:52 PM »
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Re: Why the seeming lack of progess in aviation technology compared to...
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2010, 04:26:28 PM »
Most airplanes are built to fly for 20-30 years.  They are fucking expensive to purchase and maintain.  The US military has some of the most advanced aircraft in the world.  That doesn't mean it's feasible or practical to maintain that type of prowess in commercial airline industry.  Many airlines are just struggling to keep their head above water.  And many of the newer airlines are in fact technologically more advanced than others.  There are old planes out there and there are new ones.  But there really isn't a need for super advanced airlines in the commercial industry when an older plane that is safe and well kept can get the job done at half the cost.  

Look at cars.  Yeah creature comforts such as navigation, power seats, back up cameras and other shit get better and better every year.  But the bare bones of cars hasn't changed that much.  Cars overall are still getting the same gas mileage they were 30 years ago and most are made out of plastic and aluminum unlike their 90% steel counterpart decades ago.  

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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2010, 04:26:50 PM »
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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2010, 04:27:57 PM »
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Re: Why the seeming lack of progess in aviation technology compared to...
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2010, 04:30:28 PM »
Its clear to me that the Alien Martians have sent the Memo to the leaders of the world not to test their Sauces in the sky or else be zapped to dust


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Re: Why the seeming lack of progess in aviation technology compared to...
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2010, 04:31:23 PM »
Its clear to me that the Alien Martians have sent the Memo to the leaders of the world not to test their Sauces in the sky or else be zapped to dust



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Re: Why the seeming lack of progess in aviation technology compared to...
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2010, 04:52:33 PM »
Well I have a simple question, how many of are on a plane right now ???

How many are in front of a computer.


Swede you need not answer as Im sure your coming home from the big fight and cant wait to get off that plane and into your beatiful wife.

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Re: Why the seeming lack of progess in aviation technology compared to...
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2010, 04:54:44 PM »
Well I have a simple question, how many of are on a plane right now ???

How many are in front of a computer.


Swede you need not answer as Im sure your coming home from the big fight and cant wait to get off that plane and into your beatiful wife.

Im actually on the wireless internet in my private jet as we "speak". Tyson says hello.

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Re: Why the seeming lack of progess in aviation technology compared to...
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2010, 04:56:43 PM »
Dreamliner is the newest piece i know of because I live in the area they're produced.



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« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2010, 04:57:28 PM »
Dreamliner is the newest piece i know of because I live in the area they're produced.




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Re: Why the seeming lack of progess in aviation technology compared to...
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2010, 04:58:19 PM »
behind the hangar?

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Re: Why the seeming lack of progess in aviation technology compared to...
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2010, 05:58:25 PM »
If you take a general view on advancement in the past few decades you'll realize that there hasn't been any groundbreaking technological progress.
The big problem is that the easy physics and math are things of the past. Nowadays you deal with very nasty equations to describe recently discovered phenomena in physics.

While Galileo and Newton played around with simple multiplications today's physicist can only comprehend certain mathematical expressions with the help of a computer. Furthermore, Technical progress correlates heavily to the progress in physics. You can't invent something groundbreaking without new knowledge in either chemistry or physics (those two subjects cover basically the same knowledge from a different angle). But even if you come out with new physical laws, it's hard to apply them in reality. Quantum Mechanics was invented 100 years ago, yet we still don't see too many QM applications.

String theory is on the horizon and it's the one theory that is supposed to bring QM and general relativity together. They're making tests right now in the large hadron collider to gain further understanding of "mater" and "energy", so that they can either validate string theory or reject it. But if it's correct, it will be groundbreaking for the theoretical aspect of physics. But till we see any products that are directly inspired and motivated by string theory, we'll have to wait many years.

The computer industry is not as innovative as one might think. They will face some problems. Their strategy for the past decades was to make chips and semiconductors in general, smaller and smaller. This has been going on since the invention of transistors, which replaced the electric tubes. Of course they'll reach a point where they can't make these things any smaller, so they'll have to find something new.

Mechanical industry faces other problems. They could probably build better and faster planes with lighter materials and more advanced motors, but their progress is limited by economy and resources. Imagine if there were no middle ages. If this world didn't stop scientific development for 1000 years and if archimedes had been directly followed by the likes of Galileo and Newton instead of the Pope...

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Re: Why the seeming lack of progess in aviation technology compared to...
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2010, 05:59:41 PM »
Dreamliner is the newest piece i know of because I live in the area they're produced.



Youre fucking shitting me. Im from Mount Vernon area. My buddy builds the dreamliner. Who knew. Where are you from?

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Re: Why the seeming lack of progess in aviation technology compared to...
« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2010, 05:59:59 PM »
If you take a general view on advancement in the past few decades you'll realize that there hasn't been any groundbreaking technological progress.
The big problem is that the easy physics and math are things of the past. Nowadays you deal with very nasty equations to describe recently discovered phenomena in physics.

While Galileo and Newton played around with simple multiplications today's physicist can only comprehend certain mathematical expressions with the help of a computer. Furthermore, Technical progress correlates heavily to the progress in physics. You can't invent something groundbreaking without new knowledge in either chemistry or physics (those two subjects cover basically the same knowledge from a different angle). But even if you come out with new physical laws, it's hard to apply them in reality. Quantum Mechanics was invented 100 years ago, yet we still don't see too many QM applications.

String theory is on the horizon and it's the one theory that is supposed to bring QM and general relativity together. They're making tests right now in the large hadron collider to gain further understanding of "mater" and "energy", so that they can either validate string theory or reject it. But if it's correct, it will be groundbreaking for the theoretical aspect of physics. But till we see any products that are directly inspired and motivated by string theory, we'll have to wait many years.

The computer industry is not as innovative as one might think. They will face some problems. Their strategy for the past decades was to make chips and semiconductors in general, smaller and smaller. This has been going on since the invention of transistors, which replaced the electric tubes. Of course they'll reach a point where they can't make these things any smaller, so they'll have to find something new.

Mechanical industry faces other problems. They could probably build better and faster planes with lighter materials and more advanced motors, but their progress is limited by economy and resources. Imagine if there were no middle ages. If this world didn't stop scientific development for 1000 years and if archimedes had been directly followed by the likes of Galileo and Newton instead of the Pope...
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Re: Why the seeming lack of progess in aviation technology compared to...
« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2010, 06:02:02 PM »
Do you really thinnk anyones gonna read that ???

I guess the topic starter may read it... it's just an answer to his question. If you think the question's lame, don't even bother to read my reply.

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Re: Why the seeming lack of progess in aviation technology compared to...
« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2010, 06:21:37 PM »
Dreamliner is the newest piece i know of because I live in the area they're produced.




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« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2010, 06:23:17 PM »
If you take a general view on advancement in the past few decades you'll realize that there hasn't been any groundbreaking technological progress.
The big problem is that the easy physics and math are things of the past. Nowadays you deal with very nasty equations to describe recently discovered phenomena in physics.

While Galileo and Newton played around with simple multiplications today's physicist can only comprehend certain mathematical expressions with the help of a computer. Furthermore, Technical progress correlates heavily to the progress in physics. You can't invent something groundbreaking without new knowledge in either chemistry or physics (those two subjects cover basically the same knowledge from a different angle). But even if you come out with new physical laws, it's hard to apply them in reality. Quantum Mechanics was invented 100 years ago, yet we still don't see too many QM applications.

String theory is on the horizon and it's the one theory that is supposed to bring QM and general relativity together. They're making tests right now in the large hadron collider to gain further understanding of "mater" and "energy", so that they can either validate string theory or reject it. But if it's correct, it will be groundbreaking for the theoretical aspect of physics. But till we see any products that are directly inspired and motivated by string theory, we'll have to wait many years.

The computer industry is not as innovative as one might think. They will face some problems. Their strategy for the past decades was to make chips and semiconductors in general, smaller and smaller. This has been going on since the invention of transistors, which replaced the electric tubes. Of course they'll reach a point where they can't make these things any smaller, so they'll have to find something new.

Mechanical industry faces other problems. They could probably build better and faster planes with lighter materials and more advanced motors, but their progress is limited by economy and resources. Imagine if there were no middle ages. If this world didn't stop scientific development for 1000 years and if archimedes had been directly followed by the likes of Galileo and Newton instead of the Pope...

people need to learn to be satisfied with what they have and not always want something newer or better, then we can have peace and harmony.



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Re: Why the seeming lack of progess in aviation technology compared to...
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2010, 07:10:38 PM »

I was wondering the same exact thing!!! I travel a lot for work, and always thought that...  I spoke with my father about it and since he's obviously been around much longer than I've been, he said that the technology really has improved, he asked me how often I hear of planes crashing today... it happens, but realistically really not that much... but he says when he was younger, it was like EVERY week he would hear about a plan going down.

My dad's actually been on a falling plane, it was a two engine SwissAir flight, I think it was a boeing 777.  And one of the engines BLEW UP.... not stopped working, not stuttered, LITERALLY BLEW UP, fire, explosion and all....  The plane lost all power and dropped for 27 seconds (really fucking long time if you are falling) it was during the time that they were serving drinks, and he said shit was falling all over the place, those carts were flipping on people, he told me that he pretty much figured he's dead.... then all of a sudden the power was back on and they heard the other engine starting and the plane stopped falling, they started flying all slanted and the captain came on the speaker and said, as you know we've lost engine #1, but don't worry these planes are meant to fly with one engine, then he explained that the only challenge will be to land.  anyways, I they ended up landing safely in the nearest airport.  It's funny because even with that, my dad never developed a fear of flying, he flies soooo much and at one point had over 2 million miles on his frequent flyer plan with British Airways.

But yeah, you gotta wonder why we're not seeing flying in fucking spaceships already, I want spaceships!

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Re: Why the seeming lack of progess in aviation technology compared to...
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2010, 07:17:11 PM »
people need to learn to be satisfied with what they have and not always want something newer or better, then we can have peace and harmony.





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