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Buying diamond for engagement ring
« on: September 29, 2010, 10:37:57 AM »
Gents, it's that time.   Today I bought my stone.  The specs on it are great, BUT it has a medium blue florescence. 

Anyone with experience here?  Thoughts? 

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« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2010, 10:55:40 AM »
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Re: Buying diamond for engagement ring
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2010, 10:56:47 AM »
If you saved the receipt, take it back to the store.

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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2010, 10:59:43 AM »
Gents, it's that time.   Today I bought my stone.  The specs on it are great, BUT it has a medium blue florescence.  

Anyone with experience here?  Thoughts?  

huh?

if the grading is great like you said it wont be blue. the colour guides start at clear, and go to yellow. i just bought a 1 carat in july. should be no blue. clear to yellow, clear being the best, yellows being the worse.

who is the grading done by?
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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2010, 11:02:34 AM »
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oldschool execution method. people were nuts baaaack in the day lol.

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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2010, 11:03:14 AM »
Gents, it's that time.   Today I bought my stone.  The specs on it are great, BUT it has a medium blue florescence. 

Anyone with experience here?  Thoughts? 


It’s just marketing. The whole “A Diamond is Forever” and the idea of a diamond engagement ring is not an ancient tradition to be revered and followed. It is Sprite’s “Obey Your Thirst.” It is Nike’s “Just Do It.” It is Gary Dahl’s “Pet Rock.” Not only did De Beers understand it had to control supply (buying up and closing down any diamond mine discovered), they had to control demand. They had to make it sentimental. And Americans were the perfect suckers. They targeted the US specifically for our marketability. This campaign is less than 70 years old yet has become so ingrained in our culture that the diamond engagement ring has become the ultimate symbol of how much the relationship, the girl, and love itself is worth.

Diamonds aren’t rare. Fine, using marketing tactics can’t be blamed since that’s part of the game of capitalism. But another part of the game is competition. It’s all well and good if marketers can convince consumers to buy them instead of the competition based on a nice slogan, but the competition should be there to protect the consumer. All gems are valued based on their rarity (as are most things in life). But diamonds are abundant. De Beers has a huge vault where they keep most of the world’s supply of diamonds. If it ever got released into the market, the way it would be if they weren’t a monopoly, diamonds would be worth nothing. It’s literally a pretty rock.

Diamonds have no resale value. The reason a “diamond is forever” is because you’re basically stuck with it. You’ll never be able to resell it except to a pawn shop. Even a jeweler (the few who would be willing to buy it) would offer a fraction of what you paid.

Synthetic diamonds will flood the market. Synthetic or “cultured” diamonds are already being made and within the next few years, will be efficiently made for the mass market. These are real diamonds. They are made in a machine that replicates the environmental forces that make diamonds. The only difference is that they’re better. They have less flaws. And they cost a fraction of the going rate. Want a 2-carat pink diamond? That’ll be a few thousand dollars.

Moissanite looks just like a diamond. Jewelers had to upgrade their equipment to detect Moissanite from diamonds when it came into the market. It’s undetectable with the naked eye. And it’s actually more brilliant. A 1-carat ring is under $1000.

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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2010, 11:06:24 AM »
huh?

if the grading is great like you said it wont be blue. the colour guides start at clear, and go to yellow. i just bought a 1 carat in july. should be no blue. clear to yellow, clear being the best, yellows being the worse.

who is the grading done by?

It's GIA certified.  And yes, you can have excellent grades, i.e. color, clarity, cut, and still have fluorescence.  

You're confused a tad.  Color is a different thing than fluorescence.

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« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2010, 11:07:10 AM »
oldschool execution method. people were nuts baaaack in the day lol.

UFC was not around back then and they wanted some fun.
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« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2010, 11:07:13 AM »

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« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2010, 11:08:31 AM »
It's GIA certified.  And yes, you can have excellent grades, i.e. color, clarity, cut, and still have fluorescence. 

You're confused a tad.


i'm confused?

im not the one on here bitching about his blue diamond.
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« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2010, 11:08:50 AM »
If I got my girl a synthetic diamond, i would expect to be shot in my sleep ....

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« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2010, 11:11:04 AM »

i'm confused?

im not the one on here bitching about his blue diamond.

oh brother.  Don't respond to this cause you don't understand the topic.


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« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2010, 11:14:08 AM »
oh brother.  Don't respond to this cause you don't understand the topic.



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« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2010, 11:15:50 AM »
So we have to buy these women worthless crystal rock sold to us by greedy jews, and still take care of them for the rest of their lives? seems men are getting a raw deal :-\

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« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2010, 11:16:06 AM »
Listen, i'm trying to get some opinions on fluorescence and diamonds.   Quite clogging up the post.


Anyone have any thoughts with opinions and experience?

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« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2010, 11:19:39 AM »
Study up on color, clarity, cut, and carat...your 4 C's of diamonds.  A lot of the jewelry stores at the mall, etc. are allowed to go one grade BELOW what they LIST.  So many times the color and clarity are not as good as they claim.  Blue Nile is an online diamond store, that has pretty good pricing.  I've never actually bought one from them, but they seem to be well recommended, and have customer service to help you through any decisions.  

I think the key thing in picking out an engagement ring is to know what your woman wants.  you need to know her "style", and pick the ring that she will be able to show off to her friends.  mostly thats what women want to do witha  nice ring anyways...show their friends and make them jealous, so if the ring doesnt do that for them, it will be a bit of a dissappointment for most women.  Cost is another key factor that should be part of the 4 c's lol.  Know your budget, and dont spend too much.  Also, be sure to get it insured after purchasing it.  the insurance is fairly cheap, and chances are it will be worth it in the long run.

Thanks for your input.  I went with bluenile.  Got a 1.20 carat, G color, VS2, Ideal cut.  ....  but has medium blue fluorescence.  Sales lady said it will have absolutely zero impact.  As long as it's not a strong blue or higher. 

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« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2010, 11:23:02 AM »
UFC was not around back then and they wanted some fun.

I would love to see something like that go down just for the pure horror. If he did something horrible that is lol.

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« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2010, 11:23:47 AM »
Suckers!  every damn one of you

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« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2010, 11:23:51 AM »
I would recommend doing a lot of looking around before buying one.  Where did youfind the one you are currently interested in?

keep in mind that if there are flaws in a round diamond, they are only visible from the side or bottom, but not from the top, so a lot of times the flaws in the clarity can be covered by the ring they are set in.  A princess cut diamond is not quite as brilliant as a round, so you will have the most sparkle from a round if all other things are equal.  



I bought the stone today.  The cut is VS2 so it should be pretty much eye clean...so i'm not too worried about flaws.   I will be taking the stone to a Tacori dealer to set in.  The f'ing setting is almost half the price of the stone!

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Re: Buying diamond for engagement ring
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2010, 11:43:19 AM »
huh?

if the grading is great like you said it wont be blue. the colour guides start at clear, and go to yellow. i just bought a 1 carat in july. should be no blue. clear to yellow, clear being the best, yellows being the worse.

who is the grading done by?
if it's for a woman, nothing less than 1.5 is the rule...


Man, I feel trapped, I don't want to fall into the gimmick, but if get engaged, my woman will be expecting a ring, and I can't afford for my woman to NOT be able to floss...

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« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2010, 11:44:49 AM »
yea, the settings arent cheap. the whole marriage process aint cheap, but if you found the right girl i suppose its worth it.

good luck man

post a pic of the ring on here, so we can see what you picked out....setting + stone

When it's set, i will.

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« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2010, 12:10:08 PM »
i know having a Zales card with a 5k limit and a woman in the household is a bad thing.  :(   

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« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2010, 12:32:02 PM »

It’s just marketing. The whole “A Diamond is Forever” and the idea of a diamond engagement ring is not an ancient tradition to be revered and followed. It is Sprite’s “Obey Your Thirst.” It is Nike’s “Just Do It.” It is Gary Dahl’s “Pet Rock.” Not only did De Beers understand it had to control supply (buying up and closing down any diamond mine discovered), they had to control demand. They had to make it sentimental. And Americans were the perfect suckers. They targeted the US specifically for our marketability. This campaign is less than 70 years old yet has become so ingrained in our culture that the diamond engagement ring has become the ultimate symbol of how much the relationship, the girl, and love itself is worth.

Diamonds aren’t rare. Fine, using marketing tactics can’t be blamed since that’s part of the game of capitalism. But another part of the game is competition. It’s all well and good if marketers can convince consumers to buy them instead of the competition based on a nice slogan, but the competition should be there to protect the consumer. All gems are valued based on their rarity (as are most things in life). But diamonds are abundant. De Beers has a huge vault where they keep most of the world’s supply of diamonds. If it ever got released into the market, the way it would be if they weren’t a monopoly, diamonds would be worth nothing. It’s literally a pretty rock.

Diamonds have no resale value. The reason a “diamond is forever” is because you’re basically stuck with it. You’ll never be able to resell it except to a pawn shop. Even a jeweler (the few who would be willing to buy it) would offer a fraction of what you paid.

Synthetic diamonds will flood the market. Synthetic or “cultured” diamonds are already being made and within the next few years, will be efficiently made for the mass market. These are real diamonds. They are made in a machine that replicates the environmental forces that make diamonds. The only difference is that they’re better. They have less flaws. And they cost a fraction of the going rate. Want a 2-carat pink diamond? That’ll be a few thousand dollars.

Moissanite looks just like a diamond. Jewelers had to upgrade their equipment to detect Moissanite from diamonds when it came into the market. It’s undetectable with the naked eye. And it’s actually more brilliant. A 1-carat ring is under $1000.

 A fool and his money are soon parted...  ::)

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« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2010, 12:38:57 PM »
if it's for a woman, nothing less than 1.5 is the rule...


Man, I feel trapped, I don't want to fall into the gimmick, but if get engaged, my woman will be expecting a ring, and I can't afford for my woman to NOT be able to floss...

dude, my girl is so low maintenance.

all she wanted was a 1 carat solitaire canadian diamond.

in trade on our wedding day i am getting this

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« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2010, 12:41:00 PM »
i just bought a ring for my lifepartner. a cock ring