Do adamant prolifers truly believe that a baby born into a horribly poor, crim-

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inal family is going to enjoy a good life? This is what makes no sense to me. Prolifers talk about life vs. abortion as if it were an axiom of nature but there are circumstances so horrible than oblivion would be a much better alternative to life; why don't they get that?

[loco]

inal family is going to enjoy a good life? This is what makes no sense to me. Prolifers talk about life vs. abortion as if it were an axiom of nature but there are circumstances so horrible than oblivion would be a much better alternative to life; why don't they get that?

Be more specific.  Give us an example.

[Hugo Chavez]

terrible argument for abortion.  I'm sorry, but maybe the worst I've heard ever.

[Hugo Chavez]

Be more specific.  Give us an example.

Daddy is in jail and mommy is poor, you should be for abortion then lol... 

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terrible argument for abortion.  I'm sorry, but maybe the worst I've heard ever.

So a crackhead mother with no money should give birth and not have an abortion because the baby's life is valuable? Will the baby have a good life?

[tonymctones]

So a crackhead mother with no money should give birth and not have an abortion because the baby's life is valuable? Will the baby have a good life?

why not carry the baby to term and then give it up for adoption?

[loco]

So a crackhead mother with no money should give birth and not have an abortion because the baby's life is valuable? Will the baby have a good life?

Michael Oher



College: Ole Miss
NFL Draft: 2009 / Round: 1 / Pick: 23
Debuted in 2009 for the Baltimore Ravens

Born Michael Jerome Williams, Jr. in Memphis, Tennessee, he was one of thirteen children to Michael Jerome Williams and Denise Oher. His mother was an alcoholic and crack cocaine addict, and his father was frequently in prison. Due to his upbringing, he received little attention and discipline during his childhood.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/magazine/24football.html?_r=1

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why not carry the baby to term and then give it up for adoption?

Sure. What guarantee is there then for the baby than its life will be 'good'?

In the third world, millions of children are born into the most destitute circumstances, living horrific lives.

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Michael Oher



College: Ole Miss
NFL Draft: 2009 / Round: 1 / Pick: 23
Debuted in 2009 for the Baltimore Ravens

Born Michael Jerome Williams, Jr. in Memphis, Tennessee, he was one of thirteen children to Michael Jerome Williams and Denise Oher. His mother was an alcoholic and crack cocaine addict, and his father was frequently in prison. Due to his upbringing, he received little attention and discipline during his childhood.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/magazine/24football.html?_r=1

Clearly a typical example as well.

[MCWAY]

So a crackhead mother with no money should give birth and not have an abortion because the baby's life is valuable? Will the baby have a good life?

Ask IFBB Pro, Marcus Haley. His momma was a crackhead!!

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Ask IFBB Pro, Marcus Haley. His momma was a crackhead!!

OK. I get it. Most disadvantaged babies from terrible circumstances go on to become NFL players. If only I had known that.

[MCWAY]

inal family is going to enjoy a good life? This is what makes no sense to me. Prolifers talk about life vs. abortion as if it were an axiom of nature but there are circumstances so horrible than oblivion would be a much better alternative to life; why don't they get that?

Because, unlike you, people know that (here in America), it ain't how you start is how you finish. People who've started in the WORST of circumstances have made great things of their lives.

Perhaps, you should read, "From the Hood to the Hill" by, RADM (ret) Barry Black, US Senate Chaplain.

[MCWAY]

OK. I get it. Most disadvantaged babies from terrible circumstances go on to become NFL players. If only I had known that.

Nope! But, they can become good fathers, policeman, military people, or good citizens in general.

This cracked idea of yours that people should just get whacked, because they're in less-than-ideal circumstances is ridiculous.

People can (and often have) overcome horrible circumstances.

[Dos Equis]

Michael Oher



College: Ole Miss
NFL Draft: 2009 / Round: 1 / Pick: 23
Debuted in 2009 for the Baltimore Ravens

Born Michael Jerome Williams, Jr. in Memphis, Tennessee, he was one of thirteen children to Michael Jerome Williams and Denise Oher. His mother was an alcoholic and crack cocaine addict, and his father was frequently in prison. Due to his upbringing, he received little attention and discipline during his childhood.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/magazine/24football.html?_r=1

Good one.  Lots of other examples. 

The question also assumes that a substantial number of women who get abortions are in this class.  They are not. 

[24KT]

Your past does not equal your future. Many start out disadvantaged yet are able to rise above obstacles.

By the same token, many are born with silver spoons in their mouths, and end up with essentially a wasted life.

The bottom line is: "In life, just as in poker, ...it's not the cards you're dealt, ...it's how you play them."

[loco]

Sure. What guarantee is there then for the baby than its life will be 'good'?

What guarantee is there for any baby that his/her life will be 'good'?

[BM OUT]

Here is a simple answer.Ask people if they are happier they were born or would have prefered to have been aborted,see what you come up with.

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Your past does not equal your future. Many start out disadvantaged yet are able to rise above obstacles.

By the same token, many are born with silver spoons in their mouths, and end up with essentially a wasted life.

The bottom line is: "In life, just as in poker, ...it's not the cards you're dealt, ...it's how you play them."

This is soooooooo not true. Sure, these things can happen but more often than not, wealth and circumstance are the primary factors in the success of individuals.

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Here is a simple answer.Ask people if they are happier they were born or would have prefered to have been aborted,see what you come up with.

You might be surprised by the answer.

[loco]

This is soooooooo not true. Sure, these things can happen but more often than not, wealth and circumstance are the primary factors in the success of individuals.

So should we "exterminate" the poor around the world through abortions and sterilization?

[24KT]

This is soooooooo not true. Sure, these things can happen but more often than not, wealth and circumstance are the primary factors in the success of individuals.

Wealth and circumstances are NOT the primary factors in the success of individuals.
They are the RESULT, not the CAUSE. The primary factors in the success of individuals are CHOICES.

Granted, people who start out in a more positive environment are often afforded better guidance and a better upbringing. Those who are not, ...well they simply have to work a little harder to find the right mentors and the right influences that will assist them in making better decisions. If an individual takes the approach that life is just something that "happens to them"... like a reed, they will go in which ever direction the wind blows. there are those however who choose NOT to settle for what life hands them, but rather to design their lives by choice. It's all about personal choices and decisions. We can take responsibility for our lives and design them, or not. The choice is entirely up to us.

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So should we "exterminate" the poor around the world through abortions and sterilization?

No, but if a woman chooses not to have a baby, she should be allowed not to have it.

[24KT]

You might be surprised by the answer.

Well then those who wished they'd never been born have the ability to choose to abort their own lives don't they?

...oh, ...but that would be a personal choice, ...and according to you... one doesn't have that luxury,
...and certainly shouldn't give given that.

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Wealth and circumstances are NOT the primary factors in the success of individuals.
They are the RESULT, not the CAUSE. The primary factors in the success of individuals are CHOICES.

Granted, people who start out in a more positive environment are often afforded better guidance and a better upbringing. Those who are not, ...well they simply have to work a little harder to find the right mentors and the right influences that will assist them in making better decisions. If an individual takes the approach that life is just something that "happens to them"... like a reed, they will go in which ever direction the wind blows. there are those however who choose NOT to settle for what life hands them, but rather to design their lives by choice. It's all about personal choices and decisions. We can take responsibility for our lives and design them, or not. The choice is entirely up to us.

And life throws all sorts of curve balls we cannot predict. You can no more design your life than you can design where you were born. You can toil away on a great idea, spend years investing in it and seeing it to fruition only to see it destroyed in a storm.

[MCWAY]

No, but if a woman chooses not to have a baby, she should be allowed not to have it.

You don't follow one irresponsible and wrong act with another, as abortions are in the lion's share of the cases.