Author Topic: Steroids - the bottom line (Read 18713 times)

slacker · « **Reply #75 on:** October 08, 2010, 03:21:08 PM »

Quote from: Croatch on October 08, 2010, 03:17:21 PM

Excuse me, people at my gym. Maybe you train with men. See, I play with little boys, pretending to be manly by using gear for their gains, still looking shitty.
My apologies.

WTF dude your sick

slacker · « **Reply #76 on:** October 08, 2010, 03:27:56 PM »

Quote from: buffdnet on October 08, 2010, 03:12:50 PM

you do realize that someone with aids or hep c
looks just like you. exactly like you. like you and mom.
you and your dad. your woman.
what you don't see is what you don't know and you should keep your fucking
punk ass mouth shut and not assume.

waiting

SgtSpar · « **Reply #77 on:** October 08, 2010, 03:35:04 PM »

Quote from: stuntmovie on October 08, 2010, 11:48:10 AM

The book I mentioned above is LEGAL MUSCLE by Rick COllins..... www.rickcollins.com (I'm not sure if Mr Collins was connected in any way with the NPC but his associations with various sports organizations might be mentioned in his website.)

If you are a roid enthusiast or have an adverse opinion on the use of roids for any reason whatsoever, this book would definitely be worth reading.

I read it a few years back when a friend was arrested and found it very informative.

How roids became illegal section is a real eye-opener and will show you who pushed it in Congress, why he pushed it, and the AMA's recommendation against the eventual outcome. I'd be more specific but its been a few years since I opened LEGAL MUSCLE.

He helped with a steroid case against me when I got busted about 10 years ago. Mine is one of the case studies in the book. I also edited the computer security chapter in it for him. Its a great book that really does open your eyes to the bullshit way steroid laws were passed and how they are enforced.

Croatch · « **Reply #78 on:** October 08, 2010, 03:42:04 PM »

Quote from: slacker on October 08, 2010, 03:21:08 PM

WTF dude your sick

haha "play" with little boys
You mean train.

Lundgren · « **Reply #79 on:** October 08, 2010, 04:05:13 PM »

All the problems from steriods relate to the heart and blood and shit. It's pretty much the same as being overweight. The old guys from the 60's were the same as being 30 pounds over weight. The new breed are like people being 100 pounds over weight. And sure you don't see fat people dieing every day. But your not gonna bet money some 400 pounds dude is gonna live past 60. It's common sense. Until you see someone in your direct family get sick most people will never get it.

MuscleMcMannus · « **Reply #80 on:** October 08, 2010, 05:00:43 PM »

The problem nowadays is our knowledge has gotten so much better with using steroids and PE drugs.......but that has only made guys/gals more reckless and irresponsible. The dosages internet bodybuilders are using is bat shit crazy. The opposite should be happening. As we find out some of the longer term health affects and risks of steroid abuse we should be moderating their use. Guys think they can take a pill to counter act all the bad side effects of steroids and in the end they will be ok...... bullshit. I know tons of guys who never come off and are into crazy dose ranges i.e. 2000-3000mgs of injectables a week along with several hundred mgs of orals a day. They say it's just "the lifestyle". if you criticize what they do you're not hardcore enough. . And most of these guys look like complete shit and don't even compete. They are just big bloated meatheads that look it too. More is not better.

The I will have to agree with others about is that most of the guys are so jacked all the time that even if they wanted to come off it would take years for their bodies to get back to normal if ever and by that time they'd lose everything they gained over the years of using steroids. If they came off the drugs they wouldn't gain shit and they'd be emotional wrecks as well trying to deal with the loss of size. That's the funniest part. Some of these guys are so used to walking around at 275lbs + the minute they lose 15-20lbs of muscle they cry like a little bitch and their whole identity that revolves around being "big" crumbles. And I'm not even talking pros.......these are everyday joes obsessed with steroids and lifting and who's sole purpose is to "look" big. Their health is most definitely going to shit.

Look at BaldNazi, and other dumbasses over the years that have had major set backs and almost died becaues of their steroid use. Who's that one idiot from PM who died.........BigPutz or some shit who had a kid he left behidn that died a few years ago? Trust me there are a lot of guys with health problems from their steroid abuse..........they just hide it very well or worse don't even realize they have problems until they go into the doctor for a liver biopsy and bleed to death........or worse go to and never wake up. Plus many of these guys are on other shit like bain, G, pain killers etc.

But it's the "lifetsyle". And unless you're hardcore you just don't understand. LOL

MuscleMcMannus · « **Reply #81 on:** October 08, 2010, 05:04:28 PM »

And I didn't even mention all the shit floating around in most of the UG crap that accelerates the dangers of using steroids..........bacter ia..............rancid oils................heav y metals..............etc. Mega dosing underground steroids from raw powders in China has got to be the stupidest fucking thing in the world.

For me personally I'll never use UG stuff again save for maybe the occasional AlphaPharma/Sciroxx prorduct etc. But some big boated meathead buying powders and selling the shit to his gym buddies and "bros" on the boards...........fuck that!

And one thing most guys forget these drugs are highly illegal in the police state we call America. Forget all the health ramifications of steroid abuse and just think about the legal ramifications. Is it really worth it in many ways? Having a felony on your record nowadays is a death sentence. Let alone paying tens of thousands of dollars in court costs, lawyer fees, bail etc. There was a guy just busted for importing 500 tabs of dbol and 4 vials of test.

MuscleMcMannus · « **Reply #82 on:** October 08, 2010, 05:07:48 PM »

Another guy died over at OLM......long time source. Of course it had nothing to do with steroids.

Ok so then he was using drugs/pain killers or some other shit. But it wasn't those evil steroids. As if the "lifestyle" doesn't produce the propensity to use other shit? LMAO! In fact I'd say steroid related deaths are on the rise with increasing use, out of control and high doses, and the onslaught of cheap raw powders from China where everyone and their brother now is mr. big time chemist brewing shit in their garage or basement.

CAPTAIN INSANO · « **Reply #83 on:** October 08, 2010, 05:09:02 PM »

Quote from: MuscleMcMannus on October 08, 2010, 05:04:28 PM

And I didn't even mention all the shit floating around in most of the UG crap that accelerates the dangers of using steroids..........bacter ia..............rancid oils................heav y metals..............etc. Mega dosing underground steroids from raw powders in China has got to be the stupidest fucking thing in the world.

For me personally I'll never use UG stuff again save for maybe the occasional AlphaPharma/Sciroxx prorduct etc. But some big boated meathead buying powders and selling the shit to his gym buddies and "bros" on the boards...........fuck that!

And one thing most guys forget these drugs are highly illegal in the police state we call America. Forget all the health ramifications of steroid abuse and just think about the legal ramifications. Is it really worth it in many ways? Having a felony on your record nowadays is a death sentence. Let alone paying tens of thousands of dollars in court costs, lawyer fees, bail etc. There was a guy just busted for importing 500 tabs of dbol and 4 vials of test.

Bullshit...The pack was probably just seized..and he got the letter...Do you really think LE is gonna go after a rec user, especially for that amount?

slacker · « **Reply #84 on:** October 08, 2010, 05:09:35 PM »

very informative

MuscleMcMannus · « **Reply #85 on:** October 08, 2010, 05:10:32 PM »

Hey smartass (Captain Insano)......don't open your mouth unless you know what you're talking about!

http://www.bodyofscience.com/wordpress/?p=3178

CAPTAIN INSANO · « **Reply #86 on:** October 08, 2010, 05:11:55 PM »

Quote from: MuscleMcMannus on October 08, 2010, 05:07:48 PM

Another guy died over at OLM......long time source. Of course it had nothing to do with steroids. Ok so then he was using drugs/pain killers or some other shit. But it wasn't those evil steroids. As if the "lifestyle" doesn't produce the propensity to use other shit? LMAO! In fact I'd say steroid related deaths are on the rise with increasing use, out of control and high doses, and the onslaught of cheap raw powders from China where everyone and their brother now is mr. big time chemist brewing shit in their garage or basement.

I agree to a point, but there ARE some reputable UG sources out there. I mainly use 2 UGL sources that have been around for awhile. As for Test, HG is the way to go, no doubt about it.

CAPTAIN INSANO · « **Reply #87 on:** October 08, 2010, 05:13:25 PM »

Quote from: MuscleMcMannus on October 08, 2010, 05:10:32 PM

Hey smartass (Captain Insano)......don't open your mouth unless you know what you're talking about!

http://www.bodyofscience.com/wordpress/?p=3178

Great use of Tax dollars.

MuscleMcMannus · « **Reply #88 on:** October 08, 2010, 05:16:23 PM »

Quote from: CAPTAIN INSANO on October 08, 2010, 05:11:55 PM

I agree to a point, but there ARE some reputable UG sources out there. I mainly use 2 UGL sources that have been around for awhile. As for Test, HG is the way to go, no doubt about it.

Just because a product works doesn't mean it is free from impurities. If protein powders sold on the US market can manage to have moderate to high levels of heavy metals I can only imagine what some of the UG products contain. Plus much of the BA/BB/EO content used is hardly very scientific. It's all "broscience" pass about from board to board over the years. Most of these UG brewers act like they are fucking chemists with minor in biochemistry when the complete opposiste is true.......most can't even tie their own shoes correctly. AlphaPharma, Sciroxx, AsiaPharam and other big brands might be the exception. But some big meat head ordering powders from china, putting a fancy label on his product and calling himself a "source"

?? LMAO! Thats' what the UG market has been reduced to. Everyone and their brother is pimping the same shit on all the same boards.

CAPTAIN INSANO · « **Reply #89 on:** October 08, 2010, 05:20:54 PM »

Quote from: MuscleMcMannus on October 08, 2010, 05:16:23 PM

Just because a product works doesn't mean it is free from impurities. If protein powders sold on the US market can manage to have moderate to high levels of heavy metals I can only imagine what some of the UG products contain. Plus much of the BA/BB/EO content used is hardly very scientific. It's all "broscience" pass about from board to board over the years. Most of these UG brewers act like they are fucking chemists with minor in biochemistry when the complete opposiste is true.......most can't even tie their own shoes correctly. AlphaPharma, Sciroxx, AsiaPharam and other big brands might be the exception. But some big meat head ordering powders from china, putting a fancy label on his product and calling himself a "source"?? LMAO! Thats' what the UG market has been reduced to. Everyone and their brother is pimping the same shit on all the same boards.

Agreed.

unracked · « **Reply #90 on:** October 08, 2010, 06:13:24 PM »

Quote from: MuscleMcMannus on October 08, 2010, 05:00:43 PM

The problem nowadays is our knowledge has gotten so much better with using steroids and PE drugs.......but that has only made guys/gals more reckless and irresponsible. The dosages internet bodybuilders are using is bat shit crazy. The opposite should be happening. As we find out some of the longer term health affects and risks of steroid abuse we should be moderating their use. Guys think they can take a pill to counter act all the bad side effects of steroids and in the end they will be ok...... bullshit. I know tons of guys who never come off and are into crazy dose ranges i.e. 2000-3000mgs of injectables a week along with several hundred mgs of orals a day. They say it's just "the lifestyle". if you criticize what they do you're not hardcore enough. . And most of these guys look like complete shit and don't even compete. They are just big bloated meatheads that look it too. More is not better.

The I will have to agree with others about is that most of the guys are so jacked all the time that even if they wanted to come off it would take years for their bodies to get back to normal if ever and by that time they'd lose everything they gained over the years of using steroids. If they came off the drugs they wouldn't gain shit and they'd be emotional wrecks as well trying to deal with the loss of size. That's the funniest part. Some of these guys are so used to walking around at 275lbs + the minute they lose 15-20lbs of muscle they cry like a little bitch and their whole identity that revolves around being "big" crumbles. And I'm not even talking pros.......these are everyday joes obsessed with steroids and lifting and who's sole purpose is to "look" big. Their health is most definitely going to shit.

Look at BaldNazi, and other dumbasses over the years that have had major set backs and almost died becaues of their steroid use. Who's that one idiot from PM who died.........BigPutz or some shit who had a kid he left behidn that died a few years ago? Trust me there are a lot of guys with health problems from their steroid abuse..........they just hide it very well or worse don't even realize they have problems until they go into the doctor for a liver biopsy and bleed to death........or worse go to and never wake up. Plus many of these guys are on other shit like bain, G, pain killers etc.

But it's the "lifetsyle". And unless you're hardcore you just don't understand. LOL

The guy using trt doses yr round who bumps the dose up to 750mg a few months a year will likely never have problems as long as they monitor themselves with bloods every six months. Of course the idiots who over do it will have problems. Just like anything you overdo.

YngiweRhoads · « **Reply #91 on:** October 08, 2010, 07:09:03 PM »

Regardless of the pro's and con's of drug usage, the government should have no say in what we choose to do to our own bodies.

Heywood · « **Reply #92 on:** October 08, 2010, 07:36:47 PM »

Quote from: slacker on October 08, 2010, 09:01:36 AM

Where are all the sick and dieing steroid users. discuss

Okay, then take your fucking steroids and shut the fuck up already......

stuntmovie · « **Reply #93 on:** October 08, 2010, 08:28:52 PM »

Spar, thanks for the backup. Anyone who talks the steroid talk or walks the steroid walk without reading Legal Muscle is lacking a shitload of solid information.

The few pages regarding how roids became illegal alone is interesting, educational, and thought provoking.

Most interesting parts of those few pages concern the Annapolis student who claimed that he didn't make the football team because he didn't take steroids thereby pissing his dad (an elected politician) off enough to do something about it and make them illegal. And the AMA's stand. And the fact that no one in authority did anything about it.

slacker · « **Reply #94 on:** October 09, 2010, 08:36:55 AM »

Quote from: Heywood on October 08, 2010, 07:36:47 PM

Okay, then take your fucking steroids and shut the fuck up already......

i will rip your head off

SgtSpar · « **Reply #95 on:** October 09, 2010, 08:53:50 AM »

Quote from: CAPTAIN INSANO on October 08, 2010, 05:09:02 PM

Bullshit...The pack was probably just seized..and he got the letter...Do you really think LE is gonna go after a rec user, especially for that amount?

Well, SWAT, local police, military OSI and a federal task force raided my house and busted me for 300 tabs of d-bol, so my answer would be yes, I really do think that.

stuntmovie · « **Reply #96 on:** October 09, 2010, 09:45:22 AM »

Spar, and I bet'cha about 10 to 20% of that roid raid assault team were on a roid program of their own.

flinstones1 · « **Reply #97 on:** October 09, 2010, 11:35:22 AM »

Quote from: MuscleMcMannus on October 08, 2010, 05:04:28 PM

And I didn't even mention all the shit floating around in most of the UG crap that accelerates the dangers of using steroids..........bacter ia..............rancid oils................heav y metals..............etc. Mega dosing underground steroids from raw powders in China has got to be the stupidest fucking thing in the world.

For me personally I'll never use UG stuff again save for maybe the occasional AlphaPharma/Sciroxx prorduct etc. But some big boated meathead buying powders and selling the shit to his gym buddies and "bros" on the boards...........fuck that!

And one thing most guys forget these drugs are highly illegal in the police state we call America. Forget all the health ramifications of steroid abuse and just think about the legal ramifications. Is it really worth it in many ways? Having a felony on your record nowadays is a death sentence. Let alone paying tens of thousands of dollars in court costs, lawyer fees, bail etc. There was a guy just busted for importing 500 tabs of dbol and 4 vials of test.

what about vet gear does it contain as much bacteria as ugl?

MuscleMcMannus · « **Reply #98 on:** October 09, 2010, 11:59:07 AM »

Never had a problem with vet gear. I.e. Denkall, Quality Vet, etc. But there just isn't much vet gear out there anymore. Cheap mexican vet gear was some of the best stuff I used back in the day.

stuntmovie · « **Reply #99 on:** October 09, 2010, 12:10:50 PM »

Hey, Mc! Equipoise was somewhat common back in the 70's. A bunch of bodybuilders attended some kind of a horse auction event back in Tenn and we were wondering how those darn horses got so damn muscular. After the auction we went 'backstage' and 'discovered' Equipoise and a couple of the guys tried it out over an extended period.

And they said it worked very well except that they started counting with their feet.

Have you heard anything about Ace-031 yet?

I hear that it's presently being tested for MD patients.

Do you think it will ever be used by competitive athletes?