How many bb use Heavy Duty?

[The Italian Lifter]

I don't think any pro is using Heavy Duty but how much is used in gyms?

90% of people here (in Italy) trains just using machines and cables or doing aerobics 

[JimmyJam1974]

I don't think any pro is using Heavy Duty but how much is used in gyms?

90% of people here (in Italy) trains just using machines and cables or doing aerobics 

Well said. This thread will go far.

[Nirvana]

I like the Fuxian concept of 2 or so sets.

[JP_RC]

You can see some Heavy Duty people every now and then...........

[Wee Laddy]

I tried Heavy Duty and got stronger.

But, I think any change in routine will get some results, just by confusing the muscle.

The following are the hidden secrets to muscle growth...
1) Lift heavy
2) Eat food
3) Be consistent

Please keep this quiet.

[tallgerman]

Dorian Yeates won they Olympia a few times doing heavy duty.

[keanu]

I was a phone student with Mentzer in the late 90's and have used it since.  Very few people do it properly. You have to throw out his earlier stuff as it fried out the nervous system. Read "muscles in minutes". I'll answer questions here when free.

[suckmymuscle]

How many bb use Heavy Duty?

  Dorian Yates and Casey Viator used it exclusively. Aaron Baker and Roland Kickinger also used it sporadically but they gave up on it and reversed to multiple set training because, although they were gaining in strength and also hardness, they were losing volume.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Mr Nobody]

Heavy weights, basic exercises and rest the keys to muscular mass, no secret.

[WillGrant]

The above BBs used a modifyed version of the HD that Mike preached in fact Mike never actauly used it himself he used traditional meathods but counted the last set as his first even though he had used normal 4 - 5 sets before hand.

Labrada used his version of it also.

Casey Viator has gone on record and said when he trained under Jones he used to sneak out at night and train at a friends gym because he didnt think he had trained enough also said this was the most amount of drugs he has used in his life.

[DK II]

Heavy weights, basic exercises and rest the keys to muscular mass, no secret.

and lots of steroids.

[keanu]

 Dorian Yates and Casey Viator used it exclusively. Aaron Baker and Roland Kickinger also used it sporadically but they gave up on it and reversed to multiple set training because, although they were gaining in strength and also hardness, they were losing volume.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

 Yates didn't really do heavy duty in pure form. His reps had no peak contraction, and tons of momentum (speed). He did many more sets then Mike would recommend, many exercises (of course he was on a ton of gear). Mike and Dorian simply made a lot of money marketing it. Casey trained heavy under Jones but again sneaked in many workouts on the side. His volume was much higher.

Heavy Duty in it's latest version is what I used. Unfortunately Mike died soon after and most follow his older training style which is not very result producing .

[suckmymuscle]

The above BBs used a modifyed version of the HD that Mike preached in fact Mike never actauly used it himself he used traditional meathods but counted the last set as his first even though he had used normal 4 - 5 sets before hand.

Labrada used his version of it also.

Casey Viator has gone on record and said when he trained under Jones he used to sneak out at night and train at a friends gym because he didnt think he had trained enough also said this was the most amount of drugs he has used in his life.

  Yeah, I read in Greg Zulak's column years ago that Mike actually did multiple sets but only counted the last "past failure" set as the real set and all previous sets as warm up sets.

  Anyway, heavy duty doesen't seem to work for mass. It's great for strength and hardness, but not volume. I had a theory for why this is the case but I don't know if the theory is valid.


SUCKMYMUSCLE

[nzmusclemonster]

I don't think any pro is using Heavy Duty but how much is used in gyms?

90% of people here (in Italy) trains just using machines and cables or doing aerobics 

Go and eat a salami you Italian faggot.

[WillGrant]

Go and eat a salami you Italian faggot.

[Tito24]

haha he looks as if he has a mr o body.

[StanZoLOL]

Yates didn't really do heavy duty in pure form. His reps had no peak contraction, and tons of momentum (speed).

Not This. I'm not saying Dorain's form was perfect on everything, but by top level IFBB Pro standard it was pretty damn good.

[The Italian Lifter]

Go and eat a salami you Italian faggot.

LOL

[Deicide]

and lots of steroids.

This is key. I don't think training methods are as important as for a natural when using boatloads of gear.

[StanZoLOL]

This is key. I don't think training methods are as important as for a natural when using boatloads of gear.

Even then, the top natural guys (who are really natural, not Kiyoshi et al, lol) have high natural levels and can get away with more; doesn't matter much what you do with low natural levels. (although volume should be low since your recovery abilities would be awful)

[Smanjh]

You guys have to overlook the craziness of all of this and look at some key factors here:

1. We ALL train to get stronger, and strength ALWAYS leads to size whether it be over 20 sets or just the one.

2. We all have to recover, and recovery will be 50% of your progress, otherwise you could train 24/7 with a perfect diet/supplement schedule and just keep progressing.

3. Stress is cumulative, and the more you workout, the harder it is to induce a homeostasis disruption. What used to take one workout will now take 6 to see some real progress (strength going up 5-10 pounds).

This varies across all sorts of individual factors, but generally, I believe Mike Mentzer stumbled upon what DC trainers call cruising, but he never 'blasted' again per his writings.

Everyone 'blasts' and 'cruises', or more precisely loads and deloads.

So, if you can keep squeezing out rep gains that lead to weight increases on a lift and eat to support the weight gains, voila you will have a big dude eventually.

Or you can go from one Flex workout to the other hoping some magical combination of things will over ride the underlying training problems. I am not trying to preach here at all, but in reality you guys have to understand and accept the way this stuff works in order to keep progressing.

Doggcrapp training works out the kinks in written form for you, and using some common sense will let you sort of make minor adjustments to suit you individually. The same applys with HVT, 5X5, 5-3-1, etc. You do have to do it as written to figure that stuff out, but hey, it is worth it to spend a month and really learn something about training yourself instead of wasting all of this time doing bullshit.

But seriously, look at the above concepts and look at any program template and see where they all follow these basic guidelines.

HD, as a complete 'system' is missing the spoon feeding of these concepts, however it does press on several invaluable concepts that the audience reading it had never considered it before.

[JP_RC]

Dorian Yeates won they Olympia a few times doing heavy duty.

Dorian Yates did not use Heavy Duty.

[JP_RC]

The above BBs used a modifyed version of the HD that Mike preached in fact Mike never actauly used it himself he used traditional meathods but counted the last set as his first even though he had used normal 4 - 5 sets before hand.

Labrada used his version of it also.

Casey Viator has gone on record and said when he trained under Jones he used to sneak out at night and train at a friends gym because he didnt think he had trained enough also said this was the most amount of drugs he has used in his life.

Quoted for truth.

No bodybuilder has actually trained and succeded with heavy duty/HIT/low volume.

[noworries]

I started lifting in 1973 or so.  I trained with Ray Mentzer almost everyday for about 6 months or so while I training for the World's in 86'.  I don't ever remember him mentioning HIT.  He let lift what and how I wanted.  We did do a variation of the Russian Strength workout at the time.  The one thing we didn't have was a person who would massage our muscles between sets like the original Russian workout called for.  It was to help increase blood circulation and break up any lactic acid build-up I think.  Now that would have been really nice.  We did have some guys volunteer to change the weights for me though

[Smanjh]

I started lifting in 1973 or so.  I trained with Ray Mentzer almost everyday for about 6 months or so while I training for the World's in 86'.  I don't ever remember him mentioning HIT.  He let lift what and how I wanted.  We did do a variation of the Russian Strength workout at the time.  The one thing we didn't have was a person who would massage our muscles between sets like the original Russian workout called for.  It was to help increase blood circulation and break up any lactic acid build-up I think.  Now that would have been really nice.  We did have some guys volunteer to change the weights for me though

I am so jealous of that opportunity. Mike and Ray were heroes to me, really the only BBers I could relate to. In fact, most low volume/HIT guys seem like that to me-pros that is.

You could have gotten Ray to rub ya down, lol.

Wait, didn't Mike already know about HIT since Jones told him shortly after he got crushed in the Mr. America contest that Viator won? Maybe they did not really apply it yet, but from what I understand Ray always did things differently from Mike.

Fascinating individuals.