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Do the Founding Fathers Matter? Their Thoughts & Ideas?
« on: October 03, 2010, 02:33:29 AM »
I posted this question on another board awhile back with very limited positive response...wanted to test it out here.

Do the Founders of America, do their ideas, philosophies and beliefs carry any legitimate weight today? Do their ideas and thoughts carry the same value and meaning they did over 200 years ago?

Here are some basic quotes of a few...does their thinking still hold true today?

If we desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it must be known, that we are at all times ready for War. (George Washington)

Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness. (George Washington)


Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. (Ben Franklin)

The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself. (Ben Franklin)



The sacred rights of mankind are not to be rummaged for among old parchments or musty records. They are written, as with a sunbeam, in the whole volume of human nature, by the hand of the divinity itself; and can never be erased. (Alexander Hamilton)

The natural liberty of man is to be free from any superior power on Earth, and not to be under the will or legislative authority of man, but only to have the law of nature for his rule. (Samuel Adams)

The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil constitution, are worth defending against all hazards: And it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. (Samuel Adams)

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Re: Do the Founding Fathers Matter? Their Thoughts & Ideas?
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2010, 02:34:46 AM »
Certainly not to our asshole potus.


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Re: Do the Founding Fathers Matter? Their Thoughts & Ideas?
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2010, 02:40:33 AM »
Agreed.

No way he's ever read these three and if by chance he did, I'm sure he laughed at them.

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The sacred rights of mankind are not to be rummaged for among old parchments or musty records. They are written, as with a sunbeam, in the whole volume of human nature, by the hand of the divinity itself; and can never be erased. (Alexander Hamilton)

The natural liberty of man is to be free from any superior power on Earth, and not to be under the will or legislative authority of man, but only to have the law of nature for his rule. (Samuel Adams)

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Re: Do the Founding Fathers Matter? Their Thoughts & Ideas?
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2010, 02:47:56 AM »
Read D'Souza's new book. 

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Re: Do the Founding Fathers Matter? Their Thoughts & Ideas?
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2010, 02:54:34 AM »
Read D'Souza's new book. 

I plan on it. I've been reading "James Madison and the Spirit of Republican Self Government" a bit of a rough read but fantastic at the same time. I would recommend it to the rest of the board but I know there's an episode of Jersey Shore coming.

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Re: Do the Founding Fathers Matter? Their Thoughts & Ideas?
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2010, 08:28:41 AM »
yes they matter greatly....  I'm just wondering how much they matter to the side so eager to vote in people who obviously work against the founders.  I look back and see my entire life has been witness to nothing but this.  do challenge me on that fact.

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Re: Do the Founding Fathers Matter? Their Thoughts & Ideas?
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2010, 03:24:05 PM »
yes they matter greatly....  I'm just wondering how much they matter to the side so eager to vote in people who obviously work against the founders.  I look back and see my entire life has been witness to nothing but this.  do challenge me on that fact.

Can you clarify who you're talking about exactly? I can think of a number of people who fit this bill, several who are quite contrary to the founding ideas and principles.