barbell rows? do people do em a lot? at gym today I did and damn uncomfrtable

[Master Blaster]

Your and 99% of people have same problem with this exercise: Your lower back is weak. First of all you have to have enough strength in your lower back to maintain that hideous posture and 90° angle. If so, you can use full range of motion and you really benefit by doing that exercise. Those blockheads who do it in 45° angle look like idiots with their 20% range of motion, and that is what they deserve, because they doesn't benefit at all by doing that. Secondly, you have to use moderate weights while doing this, because of the posture, until you know how to do it right. What I do is that I load a barbell to the floor, and put little piece of veneer front of it, so when I stand front of the barbell my heel is on the veneer, half an inch higher than my toe. Then I bend down and also bend my knees and tighten the straps. Then I pull the barbell against my shins. Then I straighten my knees and continue to the lift. I pull the barbell against my lower abdomen and arch my upper back while my lower back stays motionless. Then I lower the barbell for the next rep. I start with two 40lb plates and add 20lb per set for four sets. For lower back strength I do 40 reps of hyper extension three times per week + 40 reps of crunch, 20 reps of side crunch, and couple of sets of stiff legged dead lifts once per week. I also do dead lifts once per two weeks.    

Hahah....who is this moron?

[tallgerman]

interesting underhanded

I have hear that lets the bicep be stronger and helps lats get stronger

arthur kones n mentzer i think noted the same

[Oldschool Flip]

Maybe I am infelxible but I couldnt bend over and kinda have my ass out and back arched,  I sorta ended up at lik 110degree more than 90 angle rowing.

I know it is a great movement and lats are one of my shittiest bodyparts.

suggestions?

Well if can't bend over then yeah you're inflexible. And you answered it yourself. If your lats suck, it's because you suck at barbell rows.

[Grape Ape]

Flat back, 90 degrees, pause at the bottom to eliminate band reflex, repeat.

Try the flat back with lighter weight as opposed to the 45 half repping.  You'll feel it more in your middle upper back.

[Lion666]

Post a video of you ass turds matching this. Should be easy since he is a pussy by your definition. Until then, you really don't
know what the fuck you're talking about, as usual.

dudes thats sik
colemesque
yates for sure

[Lion666]

I'm telling you fuckers...  do 'em the way dorian did 'em.  Works that middle upper back..

but do them on a smith.  Keeps the movement linear.

u really think those are better than barbll,,,
y

[FREAKgeek]

 

Your and 99% of people have same problem with this exercise: Your lower back is weak. First of all you have to have enough strength in your lower back to maintain that hideous posture and 90° angle. If so, you can use full range of motion and you really benefit by doing that exercise. Those blockheads who do it in 45° angle look like idiots with their 20% range of motion, and that is what they deserve, because they doesn't benefit at all by doing that. Secondly, you have to use moderate weights while doing this, because of the posture, until you know how to do it right. What I do is that I load a barbell to the floor, and put little piece of veneer front of it, so when I stand front of the barbell my heel is on the veneer, half an inch higher than my toe. Then I bend down and also bend my knees and tighten the straps. Then I pull the barbell against my shins. Then I straighten my knees and continue to the lift. I pull the barbell against my lower abdomen and arch my upper back while my lower back stays motionless. Then I lower the barbell for the next rep. I start with two 40lb plates and add 20lb per set for four sets. For lower back strength I do 40 reps of hyper extension three times per week + 40 reps of crunch, 20 reps of side crunch, and couple of sets of stiff legged dead lifts once per week. I also do dead lifts once per two weeks.    

The BB row done above parallel is a full body power movement. It's old school; it is and was done by top strongmen. It's not done in the haphazard manner you describe, at least not with serious trainees. These guys are the same type of guys who do stuff like heavy clean and presses, one arm presses, standing presses, odd lifts etc, stuff that gets your lower back much stronger than your routine.  The method you decscribe is more isolation, BB type stuff. Look, I really don't care how you or anyone else does them. That was not my point. I was just replying to comments about them being pussy if not done parallel, it's not true.  

[Nirvana]

interesting underhanded

I have hear that lets the bicep be stronger and helps lats get stronger

arthur kones n mentzer i think noted the same

he had to stop the underhand after he tore a bicep

[JP_RC]

interesting underhanded

I have hear that lets the bicep be stronger and helps lats get stronger

arthur kones n mentzer i think noted the same

That's the way he tore his bicep.

[Meso_z]

I do rows with your mom.

[coltrane]

u really think those are better than barbll,,,
y

Yes, because I think you keep that same plane of movement... and i feel that i can squeeze the contraction better.  .  

[geneticmarvel]

Take a swan dive into a woodchipper. 

Ahahahahahaha priceless. What a peaceful way to go out that would be lol

[Playboy]

You gotta watch on those underhanded bent over barbell rows though. Thats a good way to tair your biceps like Dorian did when going heavy.

[Evo]

interesting underhanded

I have hear that lets the bicep be stronger and helps lats get stronger

Underhand makes for a stronger row as the biomechanics as changed, more bicep pull....

[StanZoLOL]

Underhand makes for a stronger row as the biomechanics as changed, more bicep pull....

This. Narrower grip is usually stronger on rows/chins etc, too, and underhand pulls the elbows more inward. (more lats)

[Evo]

Going too wide on most exercises will ruin them, takes a lot out of the ROM.

[Ropo]

Hahah....who is this moron?

Just someone who knows more about the sport than you, obviously. You and your little friends go wrong looking how Yates, Ronnie, Jay do it AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN TRAINING 10+ YEARS, NOT MENTIONED THAT TRUCKLOAD OF GEAR WHICH THEY HAVE USE IN THOSE YEARS. If you fill your system with gear, it really doesn't matter how you do your rows, you gain mass anyhow. On the other hand, if you are building your body without any gear, and you wish maintain your ability to do these rows, you listen to wise old geezer. You brats are ego builders without any real understanding how your body works, and you have great hurry to deny the fact, that you get the best benefit by using full range of motion.

You prefer heavy load and half reps, and then you are whining about sore back, lack of mass etc. which all comes because you are using weights you cannot handle. I have seen this thousands of times and I will see it thousands of times again, because you teenagers never learn. You guys are so stubborn that you don't even try to do it right, because it means that you cannot use as much weight as you have been using while yanking those useless half reps, and you are afraid that some one see it and think that you are weak. Funny part of this matter is that by doing it with full range of motion, you gain more power and fast, because that is your backs first response for this exercise.

In my gym there was this young guy doing rows with Yates style, and after each set he was walking around keeping his hand on his lower back and obviously in pain. I point out the faults which he has done and show him a correct way to do it. With Yates style he was lifting 240lb in his best set. With this "old school style" he was soon able to do sets with 320lb and without the back pain. To get there he concentrate for a while to training his lower back/ middle section in shape, because you really cannot use your full power without good support from middle of your body.

I told you that I do 40 reps of hyper extensions three times per week. Twenty years back I read somewhere that Robbie Robinson was able to do 20 sets with 20 reps, so I have to try it, and at the end, that was easy task for me. These days it would be more difficult, but I have done half of it just to try how it goes. Your best effort is what? 1 x 12 reps?  

[geneticmarvel]

Just someone who knows more about the sport than you, obviously. You and your little friends go wrong looking how Yates, Ronnie, Jay do it AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN TRAINING 10+ YEARS, NOT MENTIONED THAT TRUCKLOAD OF GEAR WHICH THEY HAVE USE IN THOSE YEARS. If you fill your system with gear, it really doesn't matter how you do your rows, you gain mass anyhow. On the other hand, if you are building your body without any gear, and you wish maintain your ability to do these rows, you listen to wise old geezer. You brats are ego builders without any real understanding how your body works, and you have great hurry to deny the fact, that you get the best benefit by using full range of motion.

You prefer heavy load and half reps, and then you are whining about sore back, lack of mass etc. which all comes because you are using weights you cannot handle. I have seen this thousands of times and I will see it thousands of times again, because you teenagers never learn. You guys are so stubborn that you don't even try to do it right, because it means that you cannot use as much weight as you have been using while yanking those useless half reps, and you are afraid that some one see it and think that you are weak. Funny part of this matter is that by doing it with full range of motion, you gain more power and fast, because that is your backs first response for this exercise.

In my gym there was this young guy doing rows with Yates style, and after each set he was walking around keeping his hand on his lower back and obviously in pain. I point out the faults which he has done and show him a correct way to do it. With Yates style he was lifting 240lb in his best set. With this "old school style" he was soon able to do sets with 320lb and without the back pain. To get there he concentrate for a while to training his lower back/ middle section in shape, because you really cannot use your full power without good support from middle of your body.

I told you that I do 40 reps of hyper extensions three times per week. Twenty years back I read somewhere that Robbie Robinson was able to do 20 sets with 20 reps, so I have to try it, and at the end, that was easy task for me. These days it would be more difficult, but I have done half of it just to try how it goes. Your best effort is what? 1 x 12 reps?  

Wow. You are right though not too many people know how to train properly these days considering most people do steroids right off the bat without learning how to train properly, given the fact they have no intentions of ever learning the proper way and just want to be jacked overnight.

[nzmusclemonster]

Well if can't bend over then yeah you're inflexible. And you answered it yourself. If your lats suck, it's because you suck at barbell rows.

sounds like you love bending over faggot.

[Lion666]

Just someone who knows more about the sport than you, obviously. You and your little friends go wrong looking how Yates, Ronnie, Jay do it AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN TRAINING 10+ YEARS, NOT MENTIONED THAT TRUCKLOAD OF GEAR WHICH THEY HAVE USE IN THOSE YEARS. If you fill your system with gear, it really doesn't matter how you do your rows, you gain mass anyhow. On the other hand, if you are building your body without any gear, and you wish maintain your ability to do these rows, you listen to wise old geezer. You brats are ego builders without any real understanding how your body works, and you have great hurry to deny the fact, that you get the best benefit by using full range of motion.

You prefer heavy load and half reps, and then you are whining about sore back, lack of mass etc. which all comes because you are using weights you cannot handle. I have seen this thousands of times and I will see it thousands of times again, because you teenagers never learn. You guys are so stubborn that you don't even try to do it right, because it means that you cannot use as much weight as you have been using while yanking those useless half reps, and you are afraid that some one see it and think that you are weak. Funny part of this matter is that by doing it with full range of motion, you gain more power and fast, because that is your backs first response for this exercise.

In my gym there was this young guy doing rows with Yates style, and after each set he was walking around keeping his hand on his lower back and obviously in pain. I point out the faults which he has done and show him a correct way to do it. With Yates style he was lifting 240lb in his best set. With this "old school style" he was soon able to do sets with 320lb and without the back pain. To get there he concentrate for a while to training his lower back/ middle section in shape, because you really cannot use your full power without good support from middle of your body.

I told you that I do 40 reps of hyper extensions three times per week. Twenty years back I read somewhere that Robbie Robinson was able to do 20 sets with 20 reps, so I have to try it, and at the end, that was easy task for me. These days it would be more difficult, but I have done half of it just to try how it goes. Your best effort is what? 1 x 12 reps?  

good post

[Meso_z]

Post a video of you ass turds matching this. Should be easy since he is a pussy by your definition. Until then, you really don't
know what the fuck you're talking about, as usual.

WOW, this guy is a beast.

[Lion666]

You gotta watch on those underhanded bent over barbell rows though. Thats a good way to tair your biceps like Dorian did when going heavy.

yeah dorian even says its better ovrhand, hits the lats the same anyway n if he could go back hed do them over

[El_Torro]

Just someone who knows more about the sport than you, obviously. You and your little friends go wrong looking how Yates, Ronnie, Jay do it AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN TRAINING 10+ YEARS, NOT MENTIONED THAT TRUCKLOAD OF GEAR WHICH THEY HAVE USE IN THOSE YEARS. If you fill your system with gear, it really doesn't matter how you do your rows, you gain mass anyhow. On the other hand, if you are building your body without any gear, and you wish maintain your ability to do these rows, you listen to wise old geezer. You brats are ego builders without any real understanding how your body works, and you have great hurry to deny the fact, that you get the best benefit by using full range of motion.

You prefer heavy load and half reps, and then you are whining about sore back, lack of mass etc. which all comes because you are using weights you cannot handle. I have seen this thousands of times and I will see it thousands of times again, because you teenagers never learn. You guys are so stubborn that you don't even try to do it right, because it means that you cannot use as much weight as you have been using while yanking those useless half reps, and you are afraid that some one see it and think that you are weak. Funny part of this matter is that by doing it with full range of motion, you gain more power and fast, because that is your backs first response for this exercise.

In my gym there was this young guy doing rows with Yates style, and after each set he was walking around keeping his hand on his lower back and obviously in pain. I point out the faults which he has done and show him a correct way to do it. With Yates style he was lifting 240lb in his best set. With this "old school style" he was soon able to do sets with 320lb and without the back pain. To get there he concentrate for a while to training his lower back/ middle section in shape, because you really cannot use your full power without good support from middle of your body.

I told you that I do 40 reps of hyper extensions three times per week. Twenty years back I read somewhere that Robbie Robinson was able to do 20 sets with 20 reps, so I have to try it, and at the end, that was easy task for me. These days it would be more difficult, but I have done half of it just to try how it goes. Your best effort is what? 1 x 12 reps?  

NOW i remember why i hardly ever come on getbig.... every moron on here thinks he is an expert.
First you start by pontification about how much you know about bodybuilding and then you say some of the stupidest shit ive ever heard.  So what if those guys are on a truckload of gear... the idea that "with gear, it really doesn't matter how you do your rows, you gain mass anyhow" is moronic.  Think about it... if these guys WERE NOT using PREDOMIANTLY thier lats when they do bent over rows with "bad form" then how are their lats so big.  

I know what you are TRYING to say but you are DEAD WRONG.  The idea is that they are not using much lats cause their form is so bad but it doesnt matter because the little amount of stimulation they actually DO get to their lats is enough due to all the gear they are on.  If that logic was true these guys would not even need to do tricep work because they would still get big tris from doing just benches... they wouldnt need to do shoulder press of any kind cause their front delts would grow enough just from benching... they wouldnt need to train biceps cause their bis would get enough work from bent over rows with "bad form" ect ect.  Steroids or not you still have to directly stimulate the target muscle in order to make it grow to the degree that these guys have developed.  if you look at the way guys like Ronnie, Branch, Jonnie Jaskson train their form would probably be decried by your average planet fitness trainer or getbig expert/moron as being "all wrong" but who has the better development.... oh i forgot its only cause of steroids... you take steroids and you dont even need USE the target muscle group...it just grows like majic

I always get internet “experts” telling me im doing it all wrong like in my video posted in this thread.  On my youtube channel page i have an open invitation which reads:
“To all those internet "experts" who offer me unsolicited advice, i will no longer be wasting my time responding to comments. If you want to offer me advice add me to facebook & that way we can see exactly who you are & the results of your training wisdom. I am not hiding who i am so unless you do the same i will know you have nothing & you are not worth listening to. It is no co-incidence that the people on here who criticize me have no videos of their own... most likely its cause you are to ashamed to show yourself.”

So far i have had no takers because much like getbig its much easier to criticize others without revealing who you are and not having to back up your “training wisdom” with your results.

[El_Torro]

90 degrees or nothing.

 

[El_Torro]

This. I never understood why people think "heavy" (cheat) rows are more effective. Would bounced benches be more effective? 

LOL... more moronic statements... to many to even bother replying to all