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Re: Firefighters watch as home burns to the ground. What do you guys think?
« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2010, 02:53:04 PM »
I'm with BILLY.

To give him the service anyway would have been total socialism.

And i'm betting the guy had ciggies in his pocket or mountain dew in his fridge.  He just didn't get the insurance because "he figured it wouldn't happen to him".

$75 a year is about 20 cents a day.  Sucks for this guy... but if they allowed EVERYONE to just pay the $75 afterwards - nobody would pay up front.

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« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2010, 02:53:52 PM »
WWJD?

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« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2010, 02:55:10 PM »
They seem to be acting more like a corporation than a service.  Sad really.  If he can't afford the $75 he likely doesn't have insurance.
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« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2010, 02:56:56 PM »
They seem to be acting more like a corporation than a service.  Sad really.  If he can't afford the $75 he likely doesn't have insurance.
lol it never said he couldnt afford the $75, so if he could have and didnt pay should he have received the service anyway?

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« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2010, 02:57:33 PM »
Would to like to hear from the Christian right on getbig about this matter..WWJD?

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« Reply #30 on: October 05, 2010, 02:58:02 PM »
WWJD?

Mal - if it were me I would have saved the guys house.  Yes the guy is a moron for not paying, and he should be dealt with, but the firepeople having taken the effort to go there and just stand and watch it burn down over a measily $75?  

Come on already.  WTF?  

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« Reply #31 on: October 05, 2010, 03:00:08 PM »
lol it never said he couldnt afford the $75, so if he could have and didnt pay should he have received the service anyway?

Yes.  It's a service for the commons.  It's sad it's had to be funded by an extra $75 and can't be funded by property taxes and state taxes.  Perhaps the solution is a raise in taxes to stop this.
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« Reply #32 on: October 05, 2010, 03:01:44 PM »
Yes.  It's a service for the commons.  It's sad it's had to be funded by an extra $75 and can't be funded by property taxes and state taxes.  Perhaps the solution is a raise in taxes to stop this.

I'm in a thread on FR and being attacked for my position as being a Lib. 

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« Reply #33 on: October 05, 2010, 03:03:27 PM »
I'm in a thread on FR and being attacked for my position as being a Lib. 

Some people don't believe in the commons i guess.
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« Reply #34 on: October 05, 2010, 03:03:37 PM »
Mal - if it were me I would have saved the guys house.  Yes the guy is a moron for not paying, and he should be dealt with, but the firepeople having taken the effort to go there and just stand and watch it burn down over a measily $75?  

Come on already.  WTF?  

i just wanted to know.. i would have done it too.. its kind of fucked up

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« Reply #35 on: October 05, 2010, 03:06:26 PM »
Also - on same thread in FR -

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To: shy.invisible.grl

And now we see the difference between libertarianism and conservatism. Libertarianism is based on the Rousseauian concept of the "noble savage" (much like liberalism). It sees humanity as a collection of independent, self-sufficient beings whose only connection is through formal contractual means. Libertarianism eschews concepts like "morality" as a basis of personal responsibility; only that which an individual has formally agreed to is considered a duty. This road parallels liberalism and leads to the same eventual destination: a humanity devoid of humanity; a civilization of angry, isolated cynics struggling to keep what is "theirs" without regard to their fellow man.

Conservatism recognizes that human beings are fundamentally social creatures, and that our "individualistic self-sufficiency" is an illusion born of plenty. The "noble savage" is, when isolated or alone, a dead savage. Human interaction is mediated not only by the formal contracts we endorse, but also by the constraints of our morality. It is this morality (the sense of something larger/greater/more important than ourselves) that culminates in the concept of Natural Law, the foundation of our republic. Libertarians like to ignore that our Founders understood morality to be as fundamental a natural law as our God-given right to freedom.

The libertarian, upon reading this story, states that the firemen have no legal or contractual duty to help put out the fire. True. But the conservative notes that it is fundamentally immoral to watch a fellow person's house burn down and not try to help them. The libertarian confuses moral imperative with obligation. "And to hell with the Golden Rule!" they say. The conservative understands that an act of saving/generosity doesn't just reward with a potential financial gain (as the thankful homeowner might pay), but that it creates a sense of community whose benefits transcend the simply pecuniary.

How many of our modern problems are due to our loss of community? Yet this is the ultimate destination of libertarianism (and the selfish bast*rds who revel in it). And it is a future every conservative must despise (and combat)...



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« Reply #36 on: October 05, 2010, 03:07:20 PM »
Letting someone buy fire preventive care AFTER they need it = total socialist move.

It's funny to see 'conservatives" saying they should have risked their lives and used thousands of dollars in resources for a guy who preferred to buy Newports over fire dept services.

Healthcare?  you're on your own, fcktard.  Firecare? Don't worry about paying, "the system" will take care of you and we'll "put a lien on your home".... holy obama socialism, batman!

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« Reply #37 on: October 05, 2010, 03:22:43 PM »
Mal - if it were me I would have saved the guys house.  Yes the guy is a moron for not paying, and he should be dealt with, but the firepeople having taken the effort to go there and just stand and watch it burn down over a measily $75?  

Come on already.  WTF?  

Yeah and aree they as a result going to be a burden on social services?  At what cost?

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« Reply #38 on: October 05, 2010, 03:25:45 PM »
Most people let their emotions speak for them.They say save the house.If you saved the house why in the world would ANYONE ever pay the 75 dollars again.They would simply say "no need to pay it,they will save my house anyway".Sorry,you didnt pay,you KNEW they would let it burn,you took your chances and you got burned.Sorry,I have no mercy for you,I have mercy for the people that pay the 75 bucks and their house NEVER EVER catches fire.

Simple minded Queen Mimnaugh strikes again. Lets say this persons house was in a densely wooded area and the fire department refused as they did...and because of that the woods caught fire which races out of control and instead of just his house burning down...THE WHOLE COMMUNITY BURNS DOWN along with power lines, phone lines, cable lines not to mention the loss of many lives as is seen in the raging fires in California. The cost involved in repairing and restoring the whole community would run into the MILLIONS all for the sake of 75 dollars??? Does that even make sense? Also what  are the residents paying local and state taxes for? Isn't the taxes for the police and fire department?

I would like to know how the insurenace company is going to handle this and what legal rights and law suits he may be entitled to. As it stands the fire departments refusal to put out the fire and teh subsequent fire on someone elses property will give the insurance company grounds NOT to pay out on policies, because it was a preventable situation had the fire department showed up when called. Now the town will be sued by the property owner for the damage, which will cost way more than 75 dollars.

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« Reply #39 on: October 05, 2010, 03:28:50 PM »
Would to like to hear from the Christian right on getbig about this matter..WWJD?

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« Reply #40 on: October 05, 2010, 03:33:25 PM »
Give to Ceasers what is Ceasers. Give to God what is Gods'.

wow ok

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« Reply #41 on: October 05, 2010, 03:33:30 PM »
Here is another reason I think is plain stupid.  Lets say the home is now a total loss.  For tax assessment purposes, the property taxes will be sliced and slashed to a fraction of the original bill.  So lets say the guy was paying 3k a year in property taxes, but now it will be $500.00.  

What did the town save by not putting out the fire?  Nothing.  

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« Reply #42 on: October 05, 2010, 03:44:13 PM »
Yes.  It's a service for the commons.  It's sad it's had to be funded by an extra $75 and can't be funded by property taxes and state taxes.  Perhaps the solution is a raise in taxes to stop this.
agreed but it should be covered by taxes but fact is it wasnt and he didnt pay for whatever reason...so seeing as he didnt pay even though he knew he needed to in order to receive that service should it have been put out?

I think they should have but penalized this guy excessively...


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« Reply #43 on: October 05, 2010, 03:45:25 PM »
Here is another reason I think is plain stupid.  Lets say the home is now a total loss.  For tax assessment purposes, the property taxes will be sliced and slashed to a fraction of the original bill.  So lets say the guy was paying 3k a year in property taxes, but now it will be $500.00.  

What did the town save by not putting out the fire?  Nothing.  


Ahhhhhh so it's "okay" to bail out companies, cause they'll pay taxes in the future? ;)

it's okay to give out free healthcare - since the people will live longer to pay more taxes in the future?  ;)

You can justify the use of socialist practices based on FUTURE TAX PAYING POTENTIAL?  LMAO

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« Reply #44 on: October 05, 2010, 03:47:29 PM »
agreed but it should be covered by taxes but fact is it wasnt and he didnt pay for whatever reason...so seeing as he didnt pay even though he knew he needed to in order to receive that service should it have been put out?

I think they should have but penalized this guy excessively...

Kinda reminds you of the obama healthcare thing ;)



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« Reply #45 on: October 05, 2010, 03:47:45 PM »
Would to like to hear from the Christian right on getbig about this matter..WWJD?
lmao are you a christian hater now too mal?

I want to hear about what a liberal would do?  ;)

probably force the neighbor to pay the $75 dollars and then house the idiot while the neighbor pays to have the house fixed... :D

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« Reply #46 on: October 05, 2010, 03:48:00 PM »

Ahhhhhh so it's "okay" to bail out companies, cause they'll pay taxes in the future? ;)

it's okay to give out free healthcare - since the people will live longer to pay more taxes in the future?  ;)

You can justify the use of socialist practices based on FUTURE TAX PAYING POTENTIAL?  LMAO

 ;D

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« Reply #47 on: October 05, 2010, 03:48:33 PM »
Here is another reason I think is plain stupid.  Lets say the home is now a total loss.  For tax assessment purposes, the property taxes will be sliced and slashed to a fraction of the original bill.  So lets say the guy was paying 3k a year in property taxes, but now it will be $500.00.  

What did the town save by not putting out the fire?  Nothing.  

Good point.

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« Reply #48 on: October 05, 2010, 03:49:07 PM »
;D

weird little circle we've run here.  You're defending the socialist point!  I love it!

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« Reply #49 on: October 05, 2010, 03:50:00 PM »
Kinda reminds you of the obama healthcare thing ;)



without a doubt dont force the ppl to buy something but if they dont let them deal with it...which is what alot of ppl have been saying for a long time...

your solution is to force ppl to buy insurance in order to prevent the idiocy of these ppl instead of simply making them deal with their idiocy