Lee Haney, Dorian Yates, Ronnie Coleman...Jay Cutler?

[Parker]

Okay, we've all seen them at their peaks, and the three former Mr. O's are all very dominant during their respective eras. Can Jay Cutler be uttered in the same breath in terms of quality, dominance of field, and changine the game? Lee Haney forced others to change up, Dorian forced others to change up, namely everybody had to have not just a great back, but a outstanding one, plus mass and superior conditioning. And Ronnie Coleman built upon that, and took it to a other level. What has Cutler brought? How has Cutlee changed the game, if at all?

[NarcissisticDeity]

Okay, we've all seen them at their peaks, and the three former Mr. O's are all very dominant during their respective eras. Can Jay Cutler be uttered in the same breath in terms of quality, dominance of field, and changine the game? Lee Haney forced others to change up, Dorian forced others to change up, namely everybody had to have not just a great back, but a outstanding one, plus mass and superior conditioning. And Ronnie Coleman built upon that, and took it to a other level. What has Cutler brought? How has Cutlee changed the game, if at all?

Cutler , right guy in the right place at the right time

[Parker]

Cutler , right guy in the right place at the right time

2008, was Punished...

But, does that give him legitimacy to be held up and compared or spoken in the same breath as these greats? I mean, the others are spoken with reverance. For the most part, most people who even are acutler fans, have not really been fans of his physique, even when he won his first 2.

You see Ronnie at the Expo, and he caused a stir, in clothes he looks more freaky than Cutler did on stage. WTH? It's just something is odd wit this picture.

[Shockwave]

No.

[Master Blaster]

He won't be a Arnold or Haney or Ronnie. Zane won multiple times, but his name doesn't come up alot.

[NarcissisticDeity]

2008, was Punished...

But, does that give him legitimacy to be held up and compared or spoken in the same breath as these greats? I mean, the others are spoken with reverance. For the most part, most people who even are acutler fans, have not really been fans of his physique, even when he won his first 2.

You see Ronnie at the Expo, and he caused a stir, in clothes he looks more freaky than Cutler did on stage. WTH? It's just something is odd wit this picture.

Cutler is one of those guys that just happen to stick around , stay healthy and win , he's like Dickerson and Columbu , you have to hand it to him although he's not in the league of the fore mentioned

I'm not a fan of his physique in the least but according to the rules he's the winner but his legacy will never be that of Arnold , Ronnie or Yates and Haney

[MB]

You don't have to be great to win right now.  Jay is very good and that is good enough.  Until someone comes along with his size, better conditioning, and better shape, he's the man. 

[Nirvana]

He is more of a filler until some freak comes along

[tendonitis]

Cutler was just in the right place at the right time.  The competition field is shallow and he has size, which the Olympia judges favor.
IMO he's the most overrated bodybuilder of all time. It's a crime that he now has 4 Olympia titles (3 of which most people don't think he deserves) while guys like Flex, Kevin, Victor, Shawn and Chris have 0 combined.
His physique is an abomination of everything bodybuilding is supposed to be about.

[phyxsius]

Cutler brought facial looks to another level..

[MCWAY]

Cutler was just in the right place at the right time.  The competition field is shallow and he has size, which the Olympia judges favor.
IMO he's the most overrated bodybuilder of all time. It's a crime that he now has 4 Olympia titles (3 of which most people don't think he deserves) while guys like Flex, Kevin, Victor, Shawn and Chris have 0 combined.
His physique is an abomination of everything bodybuilding is supposed to be about.

I wouldn't go that far. The one most people don't think he deserves is his second one. All the others are pretty solid. Of course, in 2008, he really was off and Dex beat him (but some don't think he should have placed second in that one).

[mesmorph78]

No he won't be mentioned in the same way
to date I think jay deserved one of his titles
and that was 2009

[Hulkster]

'nuff said.

I know Flex never won a Mr. O but I am throwing him in there anyway LOL

[G_Thang]

2006 - I still give to Ronnie with injuries given they didnt want Ronnie to finish with 9 vs Haney's 8.  On top of that Ronnie wasted him on the Euro Tour.
2007 - Vic
2008 - Dex
2009 - Jay
2010 - Jay - I thought phil but his day is coming.

[erics]

Why invest the title holder with more than the title implies?

The Olympia winner is the best bodybuilder, on the day. That's it. Judging controversies aside, if someone like Dexter only ever wins one title, so what? He was the best bodybuilder on the day. The same goes for Dickerson and Samir (and even Columbu).

The winner should be the best man on the day and that's how it should be looked at.

[suckmymuscle]

Okay, we've all seen them at their peaks, and the three former Mr. O's are all very dominant during their respective eras. Can Jay Cutler be uttered in the same breath in terms of quality, dominance of field, and changine the game? Lee Haney forced others to change up, Dorian forced others to change up, namely everybody had to have not just a great back, but a outstanding one, plus mass and superior conditioning. And Ronnie Coleman built upon that, and took it to a other level. What has Cutler brought? How has Cutlee changed the game, if at all?

  It doesen't matter. You are not compared to the best ever, but to the guys you are competing against. Cutler is the best currently because all of his opponents have serious flaws that he doesen't. Phil Heath is too small and has serious structural flaws despite his round muscle bellies and great taper. Wolfe has a long torso and terrible calves and so on...

  And you can't really compare any bodybuilders to Dorian and Ron at their best. These two are so far above every other bodybuilder in history that it is unfair to compare. The ultimate bodybuildiing show would be Ronnie at the 1998 Olympia vs Dorian 1995.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

The ultimate bodybuildiing show would be Ronnie at the 1998 Olympia vs Dorian 1995.

make that Ronnie 99 (he was better overall than in 98 easily) and dorian 93 (dorian had the awful torn bi in 95) and I would agree.

and by the way, Ronnie would win

[suckmymuscle]

make that Ronnie 99 (he was better overall than in 98 easily) and dorian 93 (dorian had the awful torn bi in 95) and I would agree.

and by the way, Ronnie would win

  He might - and I have sustained that from day one. Unfortunately, we'll never know.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[erics]

...Cutler is the best currently because all of his opponents have serious flaws that he doesen't...

That's a good point. If he has less flaws than the other competitors on the day, he wins. Very simple. If every year he continues to have less flaws than the other competitors, then more power to him.

Now, disagreeing on what constitutes a flaw is another subject entirely.

[Matt C]

Cutler , right guy in the right place at the right time

^^^

There's only so far that the human body can progress in terms of bodybuilding.  I don't expect to see anyone who surpasses Ronnie any time soon.  Phil is continuing to improve and it will be interesting to see just how big his arms can get, but I don't know if another Ronnie Coleman will ever be seen again in the bodybuilding industry.

[Sherief Shalaby]

olympia multi winners:

arnold = white..
haney = black..
dorian = white..
ronnie = black..
jay = white..

what a coincidence

[johnny1]

Cutler , right guy in the right place at the right time

absolutely correct, he stayed around long enough, stayed healthy, improved his CONDITIONING in 2006, 2009 u got to give him 9/10 for his Perseverance alone. 

[johnny1]

make that Ronnie 99 (he was better overall than in 98 easily) and dorian 93 (dorian had the awful torn bi in 95) and I would agree.

and by the way, Ronnie would win

He MIGHT win as Dorian MIGHT win...1993 Yates vs 1998 Coleman would be THE CONTEST of 2 of the Best ever.

[kiwiol]

2006 - I still give to Ronnie with injuries given they didnt want Ronnie to finish with 9 vs Haney's 8.  On top of that Ronnie wasted him on the Euro Tour.

This is pure drivel. How do you know what "they" want or didn't want, whoever "they" are?

Ronnie was / is way more popular than Haney ever was, not to mention he'd been looking worse and worse since 2003, which wasn't his best shape, but set a new standard in muscularity. He had too many injuries in 2006 and Jay looked better, which is why the latter won.

[Pommy]

And Ronnie Coleman built upon that, and took it to a other level.

"A other level", i assume by that you mean some kind of shitty bloated monster gut level?