'Question for MattC re: Gaspari at the Olympia Expo'

[w8m8]

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As the sugar shoed, brown tongued Conan O'Canning you have chosen to posit yourself as of late, we were wondering if you might cough up a response to the following:
 
To wit; given that:
 
- the following test employs a value of 'N = 6.25' or LOWER
 
and:
 
- Gaspari employs the BENT AS ASSHOLES Bruce Kneller
 
... the management would like your opinion on these:
 


Not that you are the second coming of Corky shilling underdosed crap, eh?
 
 








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[Matt C]

Very interesting.  Ron, I think this is a valid thread and should stay up.

I actually have not reviewed Myofusion, just IntraPro and the review was mostly based on mixability, solubility, taste, and things like that:

http://tinyurl.com/3ysupsu

SIZEON was amazing and I wonder if the tub I got from the General Sales Manager at the 2007 Arnold was spiked with something else, it was honestly that good:

http://tinyurl.com/3yt3fge

As to the test results above, assuming they are legitimate [and presumably anyone can get this test done to confirm or deny that], the only thing I can say would be that whey protein products are a loss leader item and the only way to make profits ON THE ORDER OF MILLIONS would be to do one of the following:

1. Produce properly dosed products for high prices.
2. Produce under-dosed products for normal prices.
3. Produce under-dosed products for high prices.

Most companies choose #3. 

I'm admittedly a little surprised with this.  I thought Gaspari Nutrition is a big enough company that they would be able to create the economies of scale necessary to not have to under-dose anything.

At the very least, Myofusion is reasonably priced but IntraPro is rather expensive so I would hope that IntraPro is properly dosed.

[chaos]

I'm out of the loop, but is myofusion suppose to be 100% protein?

Those number total 67.5%, what is the other 32.5% comprised of?

Not to mention a "small plastic bag from long box looks like a sample taken from a container" who knows what was in the bag really?

[DK II]

So you gained 10lbs in 30days from sugar and kept your condition?


I also love you talking about a "cycle" of what is a product containing sugar, creatine and some minerals and vitamins....

Are you serious with this?

[unracked]

Another manufacturer cutting corners and pocketing huge profits, welcome to America.

[Matt C]

So you gained 10lbs in 30days from sugar and kept your condition?


I also love you talking about a "cycle" of what is a product containing sugar, creatine and some minerals and vitamins....

Are you serious with this?

I don't gain weight, ever, while eating normally.  Just a day-to-day ordinary diet.

In fact, I have been especially lax in not eating lately and have in fact dropped to 165.  Normally I am at least 175 just eating as I do.  But when left to nature and just eating to escape hunger, I will keep getting lighter and lighter.  How much lighter, I'm not sure.  I imagine I would settle at no less than 145.

So for me to not change my diet and gain 10 pounds is a huge deal to me.  And that is what happened on SIZEON.  I got a pimple on my left shoulder while taking it though.  It really made me wonder if Gaspari had spiked tubs specifically to give reviewers at the expo.  I will never know.  What I do know is that SIZEON was the best product I ever took in my life and not before nor since have I ever had the kinds of pumps I did while using it.  That is why I will always wonder if the tub was exactly what it said it was or something else...

[DK II]

I don't gain weight, ever, while eating normally.  Just a day-to-day ordinary diet.

In fact, I have been especially lax in not eating lately and have in fact dropped to 165.  Normally I am at least 175 just eating as I do.  But when left to nature and just eating to escape hunger, I will keep getting lighter and lighter.  How much lighter, I'm not sure.  I imagine I would settle at no less than 145.

So for me to not change my diet and gain 10 pounds is a huge deal to me.  And that is what happened on SIZEON.  I got a pimple on my left shoulder while taking it though.  It really made me wonder if Gaspari had spiked tubs specifically to give reviewers at the expo.  I will never know.  What I do know is that SIZEON was the best product I ever took in my life and not before nor since have I ever had the kinds of pumps I did while using it.  That is why I will always wonder if the tub was exactly what it said it was or something else...

Ok, thanks a lot.

Sounds a little unbelievable, but i also suspect that test tubes are spiked, or even the first LOT.

[Matt C]

Ok, thanks a lot.

Sounds a little unbelievable, but i also suspect that test tubes are spiked, or even the first LOT.

It was unbelievable to me because as I said, I don't gain weight.  It kind of sucks because training hard and heavy comes easily for me.  I LOVE to make my way to the gym and train hard.  In general, I train heavy and with intensity and I actually enjoy doing it.  That's why it kind of sucks that eating is such a huge chore to me.  Left to my own appetite, I am more than fine with 1,500 calories a day.  I have friends who love to eat and granted some of them are overweight but some of them who are into training are able to hold more mass as a result.  I kind of wish that was me.  So when I used SIZEON and put on 10 pounds it was a shocker to me since I made no changes to my food or water intake.  The only extra calories I got would have been from the SIZEON itself.

As I said, to this day it makes me question whether or not the tub was spiked with something else...

But I don't want to speculate.  I can say that from my experience Gaspari has consistently put out solid products and leave it at that.  Although it would not surprise me if some Gaspari products are bent.  The entire industry is bent to some degree so no shocker there.

[WillGrant]

So what amount of grams of protein would you get per scoop going by those results ?
A bit fuzzy headed from hang over here 

Matt BK is involved with Gaspari , that should give you an idea what was in that sizeon

[bigkahuna]

I tried Gaspari Novedex a few months ago started breaking out all over as if I was on gear.

The Myofusion Chocolate is delicious seemed too good to be true now I guess we know why lol

[DK II]

So what amount of grams of protein would you get per scoop going by those results ?
A bit fuzzy headed from hang over here 

Matt BK is involved with Gaspari , that should give you an idea what was in that sizeon

NONE.

Size-on is only sugar, creatine and vitamins, that's why i find this so unbelievable.

I tried Gaspari Novedex a few months ago started breaking out all over as if I was on gear.

The Myofusion Chocolate is delicious seemed too good to be true now I guess we know why lol

Well, Novedex is certainly a tad above a "supplement".

[Matt C]

So what amount of grams of protein would you get per scoop going by those results ?
A bit fuzzy headed from hang over here 

Matt BK is involved with Gaspari , that should give you an idea what was in that sizeon

Very interesting...

Are you saying that Bruce Kneller is as bent as a member of the rainbow community studying to be a colorectal surgeon?

I tried Gaspari Novedex a few months ago started breaking out all over as if I was on gear.

LOL!!  I admit that I have some blemishes on my body that have sort of stuck around since puberty that I never bothered to sort out cosmetics-wise, but when I got a new prominent pimple on my shoulder it was a little surprising to me.  It did make me seriously suspect the product was spiked.  Having said that, I don't know if that is the case and I don't want to make any conclusions.

I would have to assume that in the grand scheme of things and considering Gaspari will end with over $100 million in sales this year, that he would be less bent than the average company and overall still my favourite.

[kmhphoto]

I got a pimple on my left shoulder while taking it though.  It really made me wonder if Gaspari had spiked tubs specifically to give reviewers at the expo. 

What other possible causes went through your mind?

[WillGrant]

Very interesting...

Are you saying that Bruce Kneller is as bent as a member of the rainbow community studying to be a colorectal surgeon?

Haha 

The mans a chemist he designs drugs , Alot of the first line of gasparis products are now on the banned list.

What gets resales of an item ? knowing and seeing it work.Powders for alot of oral steroids are very cheap , BK is no dummy I think the risk versus profit to be made really speaks for itself.

[DK II]

Haha 

The mans a chemist he designs drugs , Alot of the first line of gasparis products are now on the banned list.

What gets resales of an item ? knowing and seeing it work.Powders for alot of oral steroids are very cheap , BK is no dummy I think the risk versus profit to be made really speaks for itself.

A tad of dianabol in your "super-creatine" has never hurt anybody.... but it makes sales department's job a lot easier.
 

[WillGrant]

A tad of dianabol in your "super-creatine" has never hurt anybody.... but it makes sales department's job a lot easier.
 

x1 million 

[Matt C]

What other possible causes went through your mind?

I thought one of two things: [1] The SIZEON sample was spiked with a steroid or [2] Since I had not used creatine or any supplements at all since 2004 that this was just a reaction to use [or at least use after such an extended time without using supplements].

It's also possible that I just got a pimple, but I pretty well never get pimples.  It is possible though.

[Smanjh]

Regarding Myofusion:

You can tell obviously that it is not a 33.3 blend of egg, milk, whey since the casein and egg would be more expensive. I made a mike like this on True Protein, and it was close to 9 bucks a pound. True Protein has no advertising costs.

So, your 25 dollar tub of Myofusion would not justify the existence because advertising costs would cut into the profit so much that unless they were making this stuff for 4 dollars a pound, it could not possibly be an equal blend. If they got a blend like that for 4 bucks a pound, True Protein would offer their Team Skip mix at like 6-7 dollars. 

So, it would be whey concentrate, maybe a tad bit of each milk and egg, like 80% concentrate, and then 10% of the other 2.

That is not bad, since ON gives you the same bullshit for more cost.

With regards to the 4 gram difference, I doubt it. Why would Gaspari do this when they are already taking the other 'shortcuts'? The company is massive, it would not be a smart move for them.

As for SizeOn being spiked, see the last sentence. Why spike a creatine/intraworkout product when you can just bring out another prohormone and make more money (in 06-08)?.

[Evo]

LOL! More shady goings on......who would have thought it.

[Matt C]

LOL! More shady goings on......who would have thought it.

The worst for me is when I reviewed a product that had around half a gram of creatine per serving and in the review I wrote that such a small dose of creatine would not be efficacious and then got a message from one of the company's reps asking me to amend the review and state that the low dose of creatine in the product was efficacious.  I did not amend the review and if the company had pursued legal action I would have just removed the review from my site.  Some of these company reps must honestly think the open internet doesn't exist.  If they create bad products, that will be said online.

[DK II]

As for SizeOn being spiked, see the last sentence. Why spike a creatine/intraworkout product when you can just bring out another prohormone and make more money (in 06-08)?.

Because creatine supplements have a different target than designer steroids.

But if you spike the test tubs and the first LOT (happens easily if you produce first designer steroids, then different products), you get great reviews and sales get up.

After that, you sell the normal stuff.

[Matt C]

Because creatine supplements have a different target than designer steroids.

But if you spike the test tubs and the first LOT (happens easily if you produce first designer steroids, then different products), you get great reviews and sales get up.

After that, you sell the normal stuff.

That's what I was thinking.

Having said that, I don't want to engage in conspiratorial thinking regarding Gaspari's products but SIZEON did work for me suspiciously well.

[StanZoLOL]

The original Met-RX was supposedly spiked with clen in the early 90s. It's nothing new.

[Matt C]

The original Met-RX was supposedly spiked with clen in the early 90s. It's nothing new.

I want a "creatine" product spiked with something. 

[DK II]

I want a "creatine" product spiked with something. 

HAhahaha, i would also love to stumble upon a tub of creatine filled with vials of test, tren, masteron, hgh, insuline, clen, ephedrine, ...