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Cy Tolliver

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united state = democracy
« on: October 09, 2010, 09:26:35 AM »
not according to Kazan.....

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last time i checked this was a democracy, we the people are the government.

his response.... hahahahahahha

Really? Last time I checked we live in a representative republic.

Here's an idea have a fucking clue about the US governmental system.

please explain to this poor ignorant foreigner how a representative republic is a form of democracy.
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Re: united state = democracy
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2010, 09:31:34 AM »
The United States is a plutocracy. 

Cy Tolliver

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Re: united state = democracy
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2010, 09:34:40 AM »
The United States is a plutocracy. 

oh shit.... fuck off you moron nurse
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Re: united state = democracy
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2010, 10:09:27 AM »
I'm kind of missing the point here. The United States is a REPUBLIC.

Fucking retard. What a self-owning.

Let me help you out, though. Accurately defined, a democracy is a form of government in which the people decide policy matters directly--through town hall meetings or by voting on ballot initiatives and referendums. A republic, on the other hand, is a system in which the people choose representatives who, in turn, make policy decisions on their behalf.
 

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Re: united state = democracy
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2010, 10:29:19 AM »
I'm kind of missing the point here. The United States is a REPUBLIC.

Which is a form of ........................ ..............

........................ ........................ ........







DEMOCRACY

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Re: united state = democracy
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2010, 10:31:21 AM »
Which is a form of ........................ ..............

........................ ........................ ........







DEMOCRACY

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Sorry, you embarrassed yourself here. Kazan's statement was correct and you're a retard, BlackenSchweppes007.

Cy Tolliver

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Re: united state = democracy
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2010, 10:31:55 AM »
please tell me your not denying that the us is a democracy?

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Re: united state = democracy
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2010, 10:46:10 AM »
I think one needs to distinguish between the original intention (republic) and its current form (something rife with corporatism).
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Re: united state = democracy
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2010, 11:42:18 AM »
The US on the federal level is a representative republic.

Nick is correct.

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Re: united state = democracy
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2010, 11:55:35 AM »
oh shit.... fuck off you moron nurse

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Re: united state = democracy
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2010, 12:14:56 PM »
Is the United States a democracy?

The Pledge of Allegiance includes the phrase: "and to the republic for which it stands." Is the United States of America a republic? I always thought it was a democracy? What's the difference between the two?

The United States is, indeed, a republic, not a democracy. Accurately defined, a democracy is a form of government in which the people decide policy matters directly--through town hall meetings or by voting on ballot initiatives and referendums. A republic, on the other hand, is a system in which the people choose representatives who, in turn, make policy decisions on their behalf. The Framers of the Constitution were altogether fearful of pure democracy. Everything they read and studied taught them that pure democracies "have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths" (Federalist No. 10).

By popular usage, however, the word "democracy" come to mean a form of government in which the government derives its power from the people and is accountable to them for the use of that power. In this sense the United States might accurately be called a democracy. However, there are examples of "pure democracy" at work in the United States today that would probably trouble the Framers of the Constitution if they were still alive to see them. Many states allow for policy questions to be decided directly by the people by voting on ballot initiatives or referendums. (Initiatives originate with, or are initiated by, the people while referendums originate with, or are referred to the people by, a state's legislative body.) That the Constitution does not provide for national ballot initiatives or referendums is indicative of the Framers' opposition to such mechanisms. They were not confident that the people had the time, wisdom or level-headedness to make complex decisions, such as those that are often presented on ballots on election day.

Writing of the merits of a republican or representative form of government, James Madison observed that one of the most important differences between a democracy and a republic is "the delegation of the government [in a republic] to a small number of citizens elected by the rest." The primary effect of such a scheme, Madison continued, was to:

. . . refine and enlarge the public views by passing them through the medium of a chosen body of citizens whose wisdom may best discern the true interest of their country and whose patriotism and love of justice will be least likely to sacrifice it to temporary or partial considerations. Under such a regulation it may well happen that the public voice, pronounced by the representatives of the people, will be more consonant to the public good than if pronounced by the people themselves, convened for the same purpose (Federalist No. 10).

Later, Madison elaborated on the importance of "refining and enlarging the public views" through a scheme of representation:

There are particular moments in public affairs when the people, stimulated by some irregular passion, or some illicit advantage, or misled by the artful misrepresentations of interested men, may call for measures which they themselves will afterwards be most ready to lament and condemn. In these critical moments, how salutary will be the interference of some temperate and respectable body of citizens, in order to check the misguided career and to suspend the blow meditated by the people against themselves, until reason, justice and truth can regain their authority over the public mind(Federalist No. 63).

In the strictest sense of the word, the system of government established by the Constitution was never intended to be a "democracy." This is evident not only in the wording of the Pledge of Allegiance but in the Constitution itself which declares that "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government" (Article IV, Section 4). Moreover, the scheme of representation and the various mechanisms for selecting representatives established by the Constitution were clearly intended to produce a republic, not a democracy.

To the extent that the United States of America has moved away from its republican roots and become more "democratic," it has strayed from the intentions of the Constitution's authors. Whether or not the trend toward more direct democracy would be smiled upon by the Framers depends on the answer to another question. Are the American people today sufficiently better informed and otherwise equipped to be wise and prudent democratic citizens than were American citizens in the late 1700s? By all accounts, the answer to this second question is an emphatic "no."

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Re: united state = democracy
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2010, 12:50:50 PM »
ok fuck me
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Re: united state = democracy
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2010, 06:54:36 PM »
Whoops, guess actually reading the constitution has its advantages
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