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[Croatch]

We've talked about this plenty of times but that's ok.  See the problem is croatch, really, you just look like an average guy who works out and has some muscle.  If I saw you on the street it wouldnt occur to me that you obsess about yourself (diet/training etc) to the extent you do.  Not everyone responds to cycles as you have claimed to, where its do nothing and grow.  But steroids are absolutely necessary to achieve a 'superhuman' physique.  So while I understand and agree that juicers who dont respond well shouldnt put themselves through so much because it just 'isnt happening' (run a few cycles, if you dont see dramatic changes, then dont waste your time and money).  But again, your physique, for those who do respond well, would be settling.  For those who respond well, steroids are the key to unlocking a physique unattainable by the masses.  And you dont have that physique, nor anything close to it.  

Sorry bro, not the average guy who works out.  That would be someone @165lbs @ 5' 8" who is lean.  Add another 40lbs to that one.
Are we on the same planet here?

This is coming from who, someone who has attained what gains?
It's like when people knock certain music, but can't play a c chord on a piano or tell you what a time signature is.  You're that guy.

Steroids, the consolation prize for when you fail at natural bbing.
The end.

[Croatch]

Accurate? LMAO.

1. I've never on an "elaborate" drug cycle.

2. I haven't taken anything in 3 years.

3. I guaranty I train harder and more than likely heavier that you NOW at 48, and yes I train just fine without it.

4. When I DO go back on it will be for health purposes ONLY since I have no desire to train like a "bodybuilder".

Your judging people and thinking a person doesn't need to train hard just because they're on gear makes you one of the most naive people I've ever seen on this board.

That was funny.  For health purposes?  Like what, having the test levels of a 50 year old, when you're 50?
Look, from a naive standpoint, I'd assume you juice most of your lifting career. That's all I was getting at.
Am I wrong?
You're the essential "competitor".  Take a few drugs to get ready for the "big show", 50 people attend, then place worth in comparing your drug physique against other ones.
I don't need a ribbon for working out or gay schmoe praise.  Let's not make bbing something more than it is.  Lifting and eating.
Out of 30 years of lifting, how many did you juice?  That's the point.

[Coach is Back!]

Sorry bro, not the average guy who works out.  That would be someone @165lbs @ 5' 8" who is lean.  Add another 40lbs to that one.
Are we on the same planet here?

This is coming from who, someone who has attained what gains?
It's like when people knock certain music, but can't play a c chord on a piano or tell you what a time signature is.  You're that guy.

Steroids, the consolation prize for when you fail at natural bbing.
The end.

Then compete in a "natural" bodybuilding or powerlifting contest and see where you stand. Since you're claiming to be all you THINK you are, put it to the test. One question and it's a serious one. How do you know actually know how much muscle you think you carry? What's you method for measurement?

[Coach is Back!]

That was funny.  For health purposes?  Like what, having the test levels of a 50 year old, when you're 50?
Look, from a naive standpoint, I'd assume you juice most of your lifting career. That's all I was getting at.
Am I wrong?
You're the essential "competitor".  Take a few drugs to get ready for the "big show", 50 people attend, then place worth in comparing your drug physique against other ones.
I don't need a ribbon for working out or gay schmoe praise.  Let's not make bbing something more than it is.  Lifting and eating.
Out of 30 years of lifting, how many did you juice?  That's the point.

Of course I did gear when I was competing, but lets take into consideration that when I did my last cycle for a show (3 years ago) the one before that was 18 years prior.

P.S. Yes, for health purposes, do a little research.

[Croatch]

Then compete in a "natural" bodybuilding or powerlifting contest and see where you stand. Since you're claiming to be all you THINK you are, put it to the test. One question and it's a serious one. How do you know actually know how much muscle you think you carry? What's you method for measurement?

The mirror chief.
I could care less about doing a show.  I've had a few ask me, "Do you compete?"
I respond, "Why would I do that?"
Competing in something that requires no skill, seems very pointless to me.  Almost like a beauty pageant.
Power lifting...haha, I'd get crushed.  Stronger than most who lift, but not real power lifters.

I stand corrected, I thought you juiced more than appears.  Why would you spend money on drugs, to compete in a show that pays nothing?  What's the point here? 

[unracked]

This Crouch clown is an idiot, the tattoos are pure confirmation. What a waste of space some "humans" tend to be.

[Coach is Back!]

The mirror chief.
I could care less about doing a show.  I've had a few ask me, "Do you compete?"
I respond, "Why would I do that?"
Competing in something that requires no skill, seems very pointless to me.  Almost like a beauty pageant.
Power lifting...haha, I'd get crushed.  Stronger than most who lift, but not real power lifters.

I stand corrected, I thought you juiced more than appears.  Why would you spend money on drugs, to compete in a show that pays nothing?  What's the point here? 

Ok, this I agree with 100% but I for one am not against the use of gear, the only time I AM against it was when it changed bodybuilding from actually looking like bodybuilders to looking like what you see today. I also agree that spending money on something that gives you no return what so ever is ridiculous. When I competed three years ago I knew that going in but I wanted to compete one last time because well.....I basically grew up with bodybuilding, followed it and like the training for it plus it gave me the drive to get my then fat ass into some kind of shape. When I started I was 238 and stepped on stage at 192 and my weight has not been past 210 since and as of right now I weighed in at 204.  

[chaos]

Ok, this I agree with 100% but I for one am not against the use of gear, the only time I AM against it was when it changed bodybuilding from actually looking like bodybuilders to looking like what you see today. I also agree that spending money on something that gives you no return what so ever is ridiculous. When I competed three years ago I knew that going in but I wanted to compete one last time because well.....I basically grew up with bodybuilding, followed it and like the training for it plus it gave me the drive to get my then fat ass into some kind of shape. When I started I was 238 and stepped on stage at 192 and my weight has not been past 210 since and as of right now I weighed in at 204.  

Are you 5'5" or 5'6" Coach?

[Coach is Back!]

Are you 5'5" or 5'6" Coach?

5'6

[TacoBell]

Sorry bro, not the average guy who works out.  That would be someone @165lbs @ 5' 8" who is lean.  Add another 40lbs to that one.
Are we on the same planet here?

This is coming from who, someone who has attained what gains?
It's like when people knock certain music, but can't play a c chord on a piano or tell you what a time signature is.  You're that guy.

Steroids, the consolation prize for when you fail at natural bbing.
The end.

Um no Croatch, please dont start bordering on delusion.  Unless youve come a long way from this pic, I really dont see anything more than a physique which has been built over time through consistency.  But its nothing special, its average, its nowhere near a 'head turning' physique.  Its clearly that of a guy who works out, but if its the physique of a guy who obsesses 24/7 over leading a bodybuilding lifestyle then you too should find a new hobby, or devote much less time to this one, I doubt youd see much of a difference.

As for me, it has been quite a few years now since my last cycle, when on theres no question that Im not a natural bodybuilder, but even after the fact theres probably littel question ive used.  But I could compete in a natural organization at this point, but thats another story.

[chaos]

5'6

So you're 5'6" @ 204lbs......how big do your arms tape?

[Coach is Back!]

Haven't a clue.

[cyp200la]

croatch is butt hurt because he took juice and looked like shit.people ask u if u compete lmao!!! news flash ur not that special

[Tapeworm]

[chaos]

Haven't a clue.

You could tape them and let us know if they are 18" like Croatch claims his are........

[Croatch]

croatch is butt hurt because he took juice and looked like shit.people ask u if u compete lmao!!! news flash ur not that special

Show some respect punk.  You're the type of guy who asks me, "Are you using that?" (and I'm 5 machines down from you)
You've got a lot to learn about bbing bro.

Um no Croatch, please dont start bordering on delusion.  Unless youve come a long way from this pic, I really dont see anything more than a physique which has been built over time through consistency.  But its nothing special, its average, its nowhere near a 'head turning' physique.  Its clearly that of a guy who works out, but if its the physique of a guy who obsesses 24/7 over leading a bodybuilding lifestyle then you too should find a new hobby, or devote much less time to this one, I doubt youd see much of a difference.

As for me, it has been quite a few years now since my last cycle, when on theres no question that Im not a natural bodybuilder, but even after the fact theres probably littel question ive used.  But I could compete in a natural organization at this point, but thats another story.

Even on gear, I'd bet you look like nothing.  Post it up big boy.
I don't obsess over bbing.  Today, my diet is weak and I'll miss a few days here and there.
Let's just say, I usually don't find too many physiques that are comparable, naturally.
Not a natural show, but gyms in general.
 

[Devon97]

Croach,

When did you get all your tats?

And do you need a roomie?

[Coach is Back!]

You didn't find anything in Cali? BTW, had dinner last night in N. Hollywood at BOA.

[Croatch]

Croach,

When did you get all your tats?

And do you need a roomie?

You'd be?

[cyp200la]

my legs

[YngiweRhoads]

There's no 'a' in Crotch.

[Croatch]

my legs

What'd you pay for the cycle?  Hope you got your money's worth.

[cyp200la]

dude ur a joke i dont care if ur clean or not i respect everyone.. someone must really have fucked u up.. everytime u post u sound like an ass.

[Croatch]

dude ur a joke i dont care if ur clean or not i respect everyone.. someone must really have fucked u up.. everytime u post u sound like an ass.

Maybe I should take many compounds and take a good leg shot, then will people take me seriously?

[ThaRealist]

Maybe I should take many compounds and take a good leg shot, then will people take me seriously?

Nobody does anyways so it wouldn't matter