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Re: DADT Repealed...
« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2010, 12:54:47 PM »
All these guys could straight up be gay especially the wannabe tough guy in the black shirt and no one would know.  

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Re: DADT Repealed...
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2010, 06:31:08 PM »
Nothing has been "repealed."  Only Congress can do that. 

The only thing that concerns me is Obama could tell the Justice Department to not appeal, which could make the order final.  This is something that Congress should have an up or down vote on, after debate. 

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Re: DADT Repealed...
« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2010, 06:40:26 PM »
Now your getting into dangerous territory, expecting the government to follow the constitution
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Re: DADT Repealed...
« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2010, 09:28:57 PM »
does DADT apply to straight people as well? 

if so, why aren't straight people up in arms about the fact that they can't ask or tell?

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Re: DADT Repealed...
« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2010, 05:51:52 AM »
does DADT apply to straight people as well? 

if so, why aren't straight people up in arms about the fact that they can't ask or tell?

???

Of course it does, the military used to be able to ask if your were gay before you were allowed to join. Now they just don't ask.
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Re: DADT Repealed...
« Reply #30 on: October 14, 2010, 06:40:57 AM »
Did you get turned on?   :o

that was only a 2 minute clip; I prolly would get turned on with at least 5 minutes.
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Re: DADT Repealed...
« Reply #31 on: October 14, 2010, 07:04:19 AM »
Nothing has been "repealed."  Only Congress can do that.  

The only thing that concerns me is Obama could tell the Justice Department to not appeal, which could make the order final.  This is something that Congress should have an up or down vote on, after debate.  

That probably won't happen. Team Obama is in enough hot water for not enforcing policy and the laws of the land.


The Obama administration, which is seeking a repeal of the law, nevertheless is expected to appeal a ruling by a California federal judge who declared the policy unconstitutional. The administration is also expected to seek a stay of the judge's injunction Tuesday ordering the military to immediately stop enforcing the ban worldwide.

The Justice Department is generally required to uphold existing law and is expected to appeal rulings even when the president might agree with them. But Walter Dellinger, who was solicitor general in the Clinton administration, said an appeal could make clear that the president believes the law is unconstitutional, an approach President Bill Clinton took in 1996 concerning a law that would have required the discharge of HIV-positive service members from the military.

"I think this is the answer," Dellinger said, noting that it would be politically untenable to allow a single district judge to set law for the country in a case that the Supreme Court has not heard. "Let the courts decide, but tell them what you think."




http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/13/AR2010101307092.html


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Re: DADT Repealed...
« Reply #32 on: October 14, 2010, 11:30:36 AM »
That probably won't happen. Team Obama is in enough hot water for not enforcing policy and the laws of the land.


The Obama administration, which is seeking a repeal of the law, nevertheless is expected to appeal a ruling by a California federal judge who declared the policy unconstitutional. The administration is also expected to seek a stay of the judge's injunction Tuesday ordering the military to immediately stop enforcing the ban worldwide.

The Justice Department is generally required to uphold existing law and is expected to appeal rulings even when the president might agree with them. But Walter Dellinger, who was solicitor general in the Clinton administration, said an appeal could make clear that the president believes the law is unconstitutional, an approach President Bill Clinton took in 1996 concerning a law that would have required the discharge of HIV-positive service members from the military.

"I think this is the answer," Dellinger said, noting that it would be politically untenable to allow a single district judge to set law for the country in a case that the Supreme Court has not heard. "Let the courts decide, but tell them what you think."




http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/13/AR2010101307092.html



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Re: DADT Repealed...
« Reply #33 on: October 14, 2010, 11:34:08 AM »
Of course it does, the military used to be able to ask if your were gay before you were allowed to join. Now they just don't ask.

so what would be the big problem with a policy where straight people, gay people, bi people, etc had to keep their mouth shut about sexual orientation? 

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Re: DADT Repealed...
« Reply #34 on: October 14, 2010, 11:45:09 AM »
so what would be the big problem with a policy where straight people, gay people, bi people, etc had to keep their mouth shut about sexual orientation? 

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Well thats basically what DADT is
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Re: DADT Repealed...
« Reply #35 on: October 14, 2010, 01:17:55 PM »
Well thats basically what DADT is

It also has to do with third persons, often anonymous (or even cops who act as snitches), accusing people of being homosexuals, whether they are or not. That's what I think should change.
Otherwise extravagant and "pride parade" behavior should not be tolerated in the military. A full repeal could lead to ridiculous situations if certain people would act inappropriately (for military standards of conduct) to publicly out themselves.

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Re: DADT Repealed...
« Reply #36 on: October 14, 2010, 01:54:12 PM »
It also has to do with third persons, often anonymous (or even cops who act as snitches), accusing people of being homosexuals, whether they are or not. That's what I think should change.
Otherwise extravagant and "pride parade" behavior should not be tolerated in the military. A full repeal could lead to ridiculous situations if certain people would act inappropriately (for military standards of conduct) to publicly out themselves.

Where this gets really problematic is when all of the groups under the "GLBT" and "gender identity" classifications are included.  I don't think a lot of people have really sat down and thought about the implications in a military setting of cross-dressers and whatnot. 

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Re: DADT Repealed...
« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2010, 10:35:02 AM »
the new uniform once DADT is gone...
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Re: DADT Repealed...
« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2010, 11:38:20 AM »
the new uniform once DADT is gone...


LOL!!  WTF????

Does the vest come in pink?

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Re: DADT Repealed...
« Reply #39 on: October 20, 2010, 05:14:02 PM »
Appeals court keeps military gay policy for now
By Associated Press
POSTED: 01:36 p.m. HST, Oct 20, 2010

SAN FRANCISCO — A federal appeals court says the military should keep in place its "don't ask, don't tell" policy for now.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Wednesday granted the Obama administration's request for a temporary freeze of a California-based federal judge's order telling the military to stop enforcing the policy.

The 1993 law says gays may serve but only if they keep secret their sexual orientation.

Government lawyers sought to suspend the ruling while appeals were pending, arguing that it would pose a major problem for the military. They said it could encourage service members to reveal their sexual orientation before the issue is fully decided.

President Barack Obama says he supports repeal of the policy, but only after careful review and an act of Congress.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/Appeals_court_keeps_military_gay_policy_for_now_.html

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Re: DADT Repealed...
« Reply #40 on: November 01, 2010, 08:50:17 PM »
Federal Court Extends Hold on Ruling Against 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
Published November 01, 2010 | Associated Press
   
SAN FRANCISCO -- A federal appeals court on Monday indefinitely extended its freeze on a judge's order halting enforcement of the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy, heightening pressure on the Obama administration to persuade the U.S. Senate to repeal the law before a new Congress is sworn in.

A divided three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals granted the U.S. government's request for a stay while it challenges the trial court's ruling that the ban on openly gay service members is unconstitutional.

The same panel, composed of two judges appointed by President Ronald Reagan and one appointed by President Bill Clinton, on Oct. 20 imposed a temporary hold keeping "don't ask, don't tell" in place.

Monday's decision means gay Americans who disclose their sexual orientations still can't enlist in the armed forces and can be investigated and ultimately discharged if they already are serving.

"We continue to warn service members that it is unsafe to come out as long as this law remains on the books," said Aubrey Sarvis, executive director of the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network.

In an eight-page order, two judges said they were persuaded by the Department of Justice's argument that U.S. District Court Judge Virginia Phillips' worldwide injunction against the policy "will seriously disrupt ongoing and determined efforts by the Administration to devise an orderly change."

"The public interest in enduring orderly change of this magnitude in the military -- if that is what is to happen -- strongly militates in favor of a stay," Judges Diarmuid F. O'Scannlain and Stephen S. Trott wrote in their majority order. "Furthermore, if the administration is successful in persuading Congress to eliminate (the policy), this case and controversy will become moot."

Another reason they gave for imposing the freeze was decisions by four other federal appeals courts that cast doubt on whether Phillips exceeded her authority and ignored existing legal precedents when she concluded gays could not serve in the military without having their First Amendment rights breached.

Judge William Fletcher entered a partial dissent, saying he would have preferred the panel had heard oral arguments before granting the stay. Fletcher said he thinks "don't tell, don't tell" should not be used to discharge any existing service members while the case was on appeal.

"Defendants would not be required during the pendency of the appeal to change their recruiting practices, to change their personnel manuals, or, subject only to the requirement that they not actually discharge anyone, otherwise to change their practices," Fletcher said.

President Barack Obama repeatedly has said he opposes "don't ask, don't tell" but favors ending it legislatively instead of through the courts. Over the summer, he worked with Democrats to write a bill that would have lifted the ban, pending completion of a Defense Department review due Dec. 1. The legislation passed the House but was blocked in the Senate.

The president has pledged to push for another vote during Congress' lame duck session after Tuesday's elections.

"The president claims to want to see 'don't ask, don't tell' ended. It is time that he stop talking and start working to make a real difference for gay and lesbian Americans by pushing for repeal when Congress returns," said R. Clarke Cooper, executive director of Log Cabin Republicans, the gay rights group that sued to overturn "don't ask, don't tell" in Phillips' court.

The court ordered the government to submit its brief in its broader appeal by Jan. 24 and gave Log Cabin Republicans until Feb. 22 to reply. It did not schedule oral arguments in the case.

"For the reasons stated in the government's submission to the appellate court, we believe the stay is appropriate," Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/01/federal-court-extends-hold-ruling-dont-ask-dont-tell/?test=latestnews