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Re: Generation Jobless
« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2010, 10:49:19 AM »

I just moved to Florida this summer after living in Washington DC for a while, and I honestly feel it a lot more down here than I did up in DC.  I see a lot more businesses closed down and going out of business, didn't see that much back up north!

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Re: Generation Jobless
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2010, 10:50:21 AM »
it's very rough in south florida... construction died, tourism is down, and half the houses on every block seem to be foreclosed.  

But if you hustle, you can always find a way to get by.  I have a few avenues... but if all that fell thru, I'd either go back to teaching, or have sex with unattractive MILFs for $25 a pop.

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Re: Generation Jobless
« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2010, 10:51:56 AM »
Couldn't have said it better.

TA, I know your view on kids, but that aside, it's no different than finding a babysitter for your kid - you don't pick the first hag that comes along, but take time to make sure you're hiring someone responsible and with the skills for the job. Your analogy about the teachers is not right, cause if you look at a private institution, they ARE going to exert themselves a lot more than a government institute. That's the reason why companies have an entire section devoted to that aspect of the business viz. Human Resources.

The effectiveness of the HR department and their flaws is a whole different topic altogether, though.
Thats not true either.  Do you think a "Science" teacher at Muslim Madrasah Private School or at a Christian based School is going to "exert themselves a lot more" than a Science Teacher at a top performing Public High School?



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Re: Generation Jobless
« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2010, 10:57:11 AM »
thats b/c youre comparing a public service and a business...

a business main priority is to increase returns for stake holders...

a public service such as that of school doesnt make more money if their teachers are good or not

look at private colleges and their professor's pay, that is a business not a public service
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Re: Generation Jobless
« Reply #29 on: October 13, 2010, 11:00:54 AM »
Read this and understand TA

Everything in life is a business.
I hate the State.

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Re: Generation Jobless
« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2010, 11:01:40 AM »
Read this and understand TA
Uh, whats the point it does not make sense and is certainly not valid across the board.  Besides how is it even "on topic".

Furthermore, I can name hundreds of Private Universities that don`t pay near as well as State Schools.

Private does not automatically mean that the jobs will pay more money or equate to being of a better quality.


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Re: Generation Jobless
« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2010, 11:03:20 AM »
thats b/c youre comparing a public service and a business...

a business main priority is to increase returns for stake holders...

a public service such as that of school doesnt make more money if their teachers are good or not

look at private colleges and their professor's pay, that is a business not a public service

I'm gonn have to second that...  When I was doing my Masters at GWU (a private University) one of my classes was being taught by the CFO of the university.... he was telling me that the university is REALLY all about business first, then education second.... and its not just any business, its a MULTI-MILLION Dollar business, with holdings and tradings in Real Estate and lots of other financial entities.  They don't fuck around when it comes to money!

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Re: Generation Jobless
« Reply #32 on: October 13, 2010, 11:03:46 AM »
thats b/c youre comparing a public service and a business...

a business main priority is to increase returns for stake holders...

a public service such as that of school doesnt make more money if their teachers are good or not

look at private colleges and their professor's pay, that is a business not a public service

Yep.

Quality management via human resources is vitally important to satisfying stakeholder requirements.
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Re: Generation Jobless
« Reply #33 on: October 13, 2010, 11:04:06 AM »


Private does automatically mean that the jobs will pay more money or equate to being of a better quality.


This is also Very true!  Lots of state/government systems pay better plus have better pension packages!

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Re: Generation Jobless
« Reply #34 on: October 13, 2010, 11:05:27 AM »
I just moved to Florida this summer after living in Washington DC for a while, and I honestly feel it a lot more down here than I did up in DC.  I see a lot more businesses closed down and going out of business, didn't see that much back up north!
Thats because the DC area apparently has the most young professionals in the nation...

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Re: Generation Jobless
« Reply #35 on: October 13, 2010, 11:06:45 AM »
This is also Very true!  Lots of state/government systems pay better plus have better pension packages!
Somehow the "not" didn`t get in there for the quote. lol


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Re: Generation Jobless
« Reply #36 on: October 13, 2010, 11:08:06 AM »
Capital Cities do well when the government ramps up spending.

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Re: Generation Jobless
« Reply #37 on: October 13, 2010, 11:10:09 AM »
Somehow the "not" didn`t get in there for the quote. lol



All good I got what you were saying....  Its not all so black and white!  ;)

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Re: Generation Jobless
« Reply #38 on: October 13, 2010, 11:11:09 AM »
All good I got what you were saying....  Its not all so black and white!  ;)
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Re: Generation Jobless
« Reply #39 on: October 13, 2010, 11:22:24 AM »
the group having the hardest time, is not recent graduates........its white males in their 40 and 50s

this i agree with because i have lived it.
with high demand skills forget getting hired to do anything.

I'm poor, dirt poor by today's standards but i don't work anymore,
aint gonna work anymore, got no debt, free obama-va care and consider myself to be quite well off
besides that working shit just interferes with living the dream goddamnit.
cannot have that

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Re: Generation Jobless
« Reply #40 on: October 13, 2010, 11:22:51 AM »
Thats not true either.  Do you think a "Science" teacher at Muslim Madrasah Private School or at a Christian based School is going to "exert themselves a lot more" than a Science Teacher at a top performing Public High School?

That's beside the point and while we are on the topic, if someone is slacking in their job because the system is flawed and has a whole lot of associated problems (read 'anything most things Government-related'), it means that someone needs to address the problems and fix them, not that everything else that works better should be reduced to that level of incompetency simply because it exists alongside.

My point is that if you are a business owner and hiring someone for a job in your company, you'd be taking just as much care with the selection as you would with anything else (or at least, ought to). But if you are working for $12/hour in a goverment agency and were put in charge of hiring people for positions you don't care about, then you're going to spend as little effort as possible to get the work done, so you can punch out at 5 pm and still get your paycheck at the end of the week.

Ignoring the context of the employer and making the sweeping generalization is where you went wrong.

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Re: Generation Jobless
« Reply #41 on: October 13, 2010, 11:25:38 AM »
Sooner or later, this College bubble is gonna burst. Most college courses can be taught via distance learning at a tiny fraction of the cost.
never happen as long as the focus is on college sports.
the football coach at ohio state is paid 1-2 million a year. why?
must be a demand huh. and it's huge. ask any pro scout

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Re: Generation Jobless
« Reply #42 on: October 13, 2010, 11:29:27 AM »

just like the trades  like an electrician or a heavy diesel mechanic takes specific job intensive schooling........i believe thats how college should
you do realize that when you come out of that diesel school you are qualified to do
oil changes. that's it. an electrician same way. on the job is a totally different matter.

there's a huge auto mechanic school here. have their own race track and sponsore racers for god sakes.
but, the graduates, are qualified to work in a dealership and change oil.
cuz they leave school knowing fuck all nothing. but their parents can send em here
and spend 25-50k a year and have their kid out of their hair

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Re: Generation Jobless
« Reply #43 on: October 13, 2010, 11:32:14 AM »
its a numbers thing........not EVERYONE who graduates college is gonna find a good job soon............especial ly now-a-days when a college degree is what a high school diploma was 35 years ago...........you need a graduate degree to even impress anyone

That's the point, it's the complete inflation of education. Every moron has a high school diploma, many many morons have university degrees, that shit is worth NOTHING these days, you're one of thousands.

If you're not among the Top guys of your year, have many additional qualifications, work experience, foreign experience and 3 foreign languages you're gone, you can wipe your ass with your degree. As an academic you can't afford being average these days by any means, either you're top notch (3-5 guys per year who can really choose their jobs) or you have to take whatever you get (or you're in your parents basement for the next 40 years).

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Re: Generation Jobless
« Reply #44 on: October 13, 2010, 11:33:45 AM »
the modern university system, and capitalism as well, is just a huge scam which keeps the same tiny minority rich by (legally) exploiting the shit out of the rest of the population.

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Re: Generation Jobless
« Reply #45 on: October 13, 2010, 11:34:19 AM »
The whole process is stupid, nonsensical, informal and phony.

Sending out resume`s, going for an interview....hahahhahhah ahah 

Yet people keep on with the pointless charades.

Spoken like a true trust fund child.  ::)  ::)

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Re: Generation Jobless
« Reply #46 on: October 13, 2010, 11:35:02 AM »
That's the point, it's the complete inflation of education. Every moron has a high school diploma, many many morons have university degrees, that shit is worth NOTHING these days, you're one of thousands.

If you're not among the Top guys of your year, have many additional qualifications, work experience, foreign experience and 3 foreign languages you're gone, you can wipe your ass with your degree. As an academic you can't afford being average these days by any means, either you're top notch (3-5 guys per year who can really choose their jobs) or you have to take whatever you get (or you're in your parents basement for the next 40 years).

100% accurate.

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Re: Generation Jobless
« Reply #47 on: October 13, 2010, 11:35:29 AM »
Everything in life is a business.
and a sales job. if you can't sell your fucked.
because if you can't sell yourself then your stuck with
what is given to you rather than what you sold you yourself
and earned.
the biggest thing i see is this,
most people are followers and have to be told, few are leaders
and they even in fact have to be told.
the rest of us?
we do as the great frank sinatra said, i did it myyyy motherfuckingggg wayyyyyyyyyyyy

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Re: Generation Jobless
« Reply #48 on: October 13, 2010, 11:42:25 AM »
That's the point, it's the complete inflation of education. Every moron has a high school diploma, many many morons have university degrees, that shit is worth NOTHING these days, you're one of thousands.

If you're not among the Top guys of your year, have many additional qualifications, work experience, foreign experience and 3 foreign languages you're gone, you can wipe your ass with your degree. As an academic you can't afford being average these days by any means, either you're top notch (3-5 guys per year who can really choose their jobs) or you have to take whatever you get (or you're in your parents basement for the next 40 years).
I love you fucking Germs. Quality post.

In ten to 15 years no one will be going to school unless it can be done from their parents home. If you don't have parents to house you, well good luck getting an education.

There's also aload of people in the third world competing for the same jobs.

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Re: Generation Jobless
« Reply #49 on: October 13, 2010, 11:45:10 AM »
you guys ever see Peter Schiff's commentary on college costs?