Huffington Post: Clinton Aide: "Let Iraq shoot down a plane to start war"

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No I don't want a link talking about an alleged illegal 1953 operation.  If you have something that deals with present day, from a credible source, I'll read it.    

Your definition of war crimes is not accurate.  The president, as commander in chief, does not need Congressional approval to order our troops to engage in armed conflict.  

Also, if you look at the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, there were Congressional resolutions approving the operations, and numerous Congressional votes funding the operations.  

What specific law or Constitutional provision are you basing your statements on?

Declaration. Not a single war has been declared since WW2; declaration of war is required by the Constitution. Unfortunately the present does not exist in a vacuum; you want to understand why Iran is so fucked up today, you need to understand the history involved.

[Dos Equis]

Declaration. Not a single war has been declared since WW2; declaration of war is required by the Constitution. Unfortunately the present does not exist in a vacuum; you want to understand why Iran is so fucked up today, you need to understand the history involved.

There have been no declarations of war, because they weren't needed.  We didn't declare on North Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Grenada, Iraq, or Afghanistan.  Congress has the power to declare war, but the president is the commander in chief.  Both of those powers are in the Constitution.  The president is not a "war criminal" if he orders troops into combat without a declaration of war.  

[Deicide]

There have been no declarations of war, because they weren't needed.  We didn't declare on North Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Grenada, Iraq, or Afghanistan.  Congress has the power to declare war, but the president is the commander in chief.  Both of those powers are in the Constitution.  The president is not a "war criminal" if he orders troops into combat without a declaration of war.  

Sure he is if the Constitution requires a declaration of war to be made by the Congress.

[George Whorewell]

No I don't want a link talking about an alleged illegal 1953 operation.  If you have something that deals with present day, from a credible source, I'll read it.    

Your definition of war crimes is not accurate.  The president, as commander in chief, does not need Congressional approval to order our troops to engage in armed conflict.  

Also, if you look at the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, there were Congressional resolutions approving the operations, and numerous Congressional votes funding the operations.  

What specific law or Constitutional provision are you basing your statements on?

The same one that says education and healthcare are fundamental rights for the entire American population regardless of whether they are citizens or not. Oh wait  

[Dos Equis]

Sure he is if the Constitution requires a declaration of war to be made by the Congress.

I see.  So anytime the president orders troops into combat without a declaration of war, he is a war criminal?  Why hasn't Congress impeached all of these presidents? 

[Dos Equis]

The same one that says education and healthcare are fundamental rights for the entire American population regardless of whether they are citizens or not. Oh wait  

Is that the same Constitution that will impose penalties on you if you don't purchase health insurance?    

[Deicide]

The same one that says education and healthcare are fundamental rights for the entire American population regardless of whether they are citizens or not. Oh wait  

I am politically neutral with libertarian leanings; I don't think those are fundamental rights in the USA.

[Deicide]

I see.  So anytime the president orders troops into combat without a declaration of war, he is a war criminal?  Why hasn't Congress impeached all of these presidents? 

Congress and the rest of the government is broken. No one follows the Constitution, not the president, not the Congress, no one.

[George Whorewell]

I've come to the conclusion that Decide has never left his house before. He's a self taught PhD in political science, history, linguistics and constitutional law. Between his endless threads on the G+O board that feature gems about defecation and other functions of the anus, infantile questions about sex and his constant barrage of delusional and inaccurate posts on this board, I think it's safe to say that Decide has learned everything there is to know about life through wikipedia, youtube and getbig.com.

[Dos Equis]

Congress and the rest of the government is broken. No one follows the Constitution, not the president, not the Congress, no one.

Or perhaps you're just not interpreting the Constitution correctly, and our presidents haven't been impeached because their actions have been legal and endorsed by Congress.  

[Deicide]

I've come to the conclusion that Decide has never left his house before. He's a self taught PhD in political science, history, linguistics and constitutional law. Between his endless threads on the G+O board that feature gems about defecation and other functions of the anus, infantile questions about sex and his constant barrage of delusional and inaccurate posts on this board, I think it's safe to say that Decide has learned everything there is to know about life through wikipedia, youtube and getbig.com.

If it makes you feel better to think that, by all means. If you think for example that blowback is a myth, simply made up, I challenge you to tell me who made it up and to what end. Don't have a PhD (though I thought about it), one masters and going for a second one now but that is neither here nor there. If you think our foreign interventions have never taken place and/or have had no consequences, you are delusional.

[George Whorewell]

If it makes you feel better to think that, by all means. If you think for example that blowback is a myth, simply made up, I challenge you to tell me who made it up and to what end. Don't have a PhD (though I thought about it), one masters and going for a second one now but that is neither here nor there. If you think our foreign interventions have never taken place and/or have had no consequences, you are delusional.

No, I have a better idea. Get a life and stop posting crap that nobody cares about. 99% of your commentary about the constitution is nonsense. The rest of the shit you post is a slight tick above the garbage that Samson Enterprises posts here. Chock full of hogwash conspiracy theories, imaginary government agencies and other fictitious tales of woe that speak to the universal like mindedness of the lunatic fringe population. Go get some fresh air dude. I'm sure the online university where you are pursuing your "second" masters degree won't mind you getting some sunlight.

[240 is Back]

ya gotta do some dirty shit to get/stay ahead.

we didn't become the #1 superpower by following the rules.

Sure, you'll have bootlickers who say "we dont do that, its not right".
And you'll have others who enjoy the benefits of decades of shrewd operations, and complain about it but don't move.

It is what it is.  countries let attacks happen when they want/need to war.  it's that simple.  anyone who denies that is naive.

[Deicide]

My university is ranked in the top ten in the world.

Top 20 universities in the 2010 THE World University Rankings
2010 rankings[16] University Country
1 Harvard University US
2 California Institute of Technology US
3 Massachusetts Institute of Technology US
4 Stanford University US
5 Princeton University US
6 University of Cambridge UK
7 University of Oxford UK
8 University of California, Berkeley US
9 Imperial College London UK
10 Yale University US
11 UCLA US
12 University of Chicago US
13 Johns Hopkins University US
14 Cornell University US
15 ETH Zurich Switzerland
15 University of Michigan US
17 University of Toronto Canada
18 Columbia University US
19 University of Pennsylvania US
20 Carnegie Mellon University US


Top 20 universities in the QS World University Rankings
2004 | 2005 | 2006 | 2007 | 2008 | 2009
2010 rankings[7] 2009 rankings[8] 2008 rankings[9] 2007 rankings[10] 2006 rankings[11] 2005 rankings[12] 2004 rankings[13] University Country Median score
01 02 03 02= 02 03 06 University of Cambridge UK 02
02 01 01 01 01 01 01 Harvard University US 01
03 03 02 02= 04= 07 08 Yale University US 03
04 04 07 09 25 28 34 University College London UK 09
05 09 09 10 04= 02 03 Massachusetts Institute of Technology US 05
06 05= 04 02= 03 04 05 University of Oxford UK 04
07 05= 06 05 09 13 14 Imperial College London UK 07
08 07 08 07= 11 17 13 University of Chicago US 08
09 10 05 07= 07 08 04 California Institute of Technology US 07
10 08 12 06 10 09 09 Princeton University US 09
11 11 10 11 12 20 19 Columbia University US 11
12 12 11 14 26 32 28 University of Pennsylvania US 14
13 16 17 19 06 05 07 Stanford University US 13
14 14 13= 13 13 11 52 Duke University US 13
15 19 18 38= 29= 36 31 University of Michigan US 29
16 15 15 20= 15 14 23 Cornell University US 15
17 13 13= 15 23 27 25 Johns Hopkins University US 17
18 20= 24 42 24 21 10 ETH Zurich (Swiss Federal Institute of Technology) Switzerland 24
19 18 20 12 21 24 21 McGill University Canada 20
20 17 16 16 16 23 16 Australian National University Australia 16

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Hardly an 'online university'

No, I have a better idea. Get a life and stop posting crap that nobody cares about. 99% of your commentary about the constitution is nonsense. The rest of the shit you post is a slight tick above the garbage that Samson Enterprises posts here. Chock full of hogwash conspiracy theories, imaginary government agencies and other fictitious tales of woe that speak to the universal like mindedness of the lunatic fringe population. Go get some fresh air dude. I'm sure the online university where you are pursuing your "second" masters degree won't mind you getting some sunlight.

[Deicide]

No, I have a better idea. Get a life and stop posting crap that nobody cares about. 99% of your commentary about the constitution is nonsense. The rest of the shit you post is a slight tick above the garbage that Samson Enterprises posts here. Chock full of hogwash conspiracy theories, imaginary government agencies and other fictitious tales of woe that speak to the universal like mindedness of the lunatic fringe population. Go get some fresh air dude. I'm sure the online university where you are pursuing your "second" masters degree won't mind you getting some sunlight.

And just for the record, you are saying there never was a 1953 coup in Iran instigated by the CIA? That is a conspiracy theory?