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The original purpose and goals of the NPC and IFBB
« on: October 19, 2010, 09:11:24 AM »
The NPC didn't come into existance until the late 1970's . Before that , all the big amatuer US- BB events ,like the Mr America, were run by the AAU. The AAU wanted to promote Olympic lifting and other related sports along with bodybuilding.
The founders of the NPC realized that a lot of bodybuilders wanted an organization , just for them.
The IFBB began years before the NPC as the world amatuer and pro divsions of  bodybuilding . For example, they started the Olympia and eventual pro circuit we have now.
I remember getting my first NPC card application, 30 yrs ago at a BB meet and expo. I was told by the rep, that this new NPC  was a pure bodybuilding organization. Unlike the AAU, bodybuilding would be the ONLY sport they would promote. I signed up that day and paid my dues on the spot.

At this years 2010 nationals, figure and bikini were at least 2/3 of the entrants and time on stage in the finals.
Since this is the NPC's flagship national event, I must conclude it represents the ideals and best of what the NPC has to offer.
Based on simple numbers, the NPC has shifted from  mosltly bodybuilding to mostly figure and bikini.
The official policy is to now add more figure based entrants in the form of male fitness physique. In this class the men will wear knee length board shorts and be judged more as a "beach body".

I want to be part of an organization that is about bodybuilding NOT figure or bathing suit contests.
The numbers and what I saw speak volumes about where the NPC is now and where they headed.
I am not sure what will happen exactly, but I do know that the NPC isn't the same "BODYBUILING only " organzation I first jioned 3 decades ago.

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Re: The original purpose and gaols of the NPC and IFBB
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2010, 09:12:48 AM »
Howie ,Should I be mean to you or not ?

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Re: The original purpose and goals of the NPC and IFBB
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2010, 09:14:04 AM »
Gaol is an alternative spelling of jail. Bet you didn't know that.  ;)
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Re: The original purpose and gaols of the NPC and IFBB
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2010, 09:15:03 AM »
Howie ,Should I be mean to you or not ?
Just address the issue any way you desire.

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Re: The original purpose and goals of the NPC and IFBB
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2010, 09:15:38 AM »
Gaol is an alternative spelling of jail. Bet you didn't know that.  ;)
LOL< I changed the typo right after the post first went up.

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Re: The original purpose and gaols of the NPC and IFBB
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2010, 09:59:58 AM »
Howie ,Should I be mean to you or not ?
OK? So what do you think of the NPC's new direction?

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Re: The original purpose and goals of the NPC and IFBB
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2010, 10:10:30 AM »
The NPC didn't come into existance until the late 1970's . Before that , all the big amatuer US- BB events ,like the Mr America, were run by the AAU. The AAU wanted to promote Olympic lifting and other related sports along with bodybuilding.
The founders of the NPC realized that a lot of bodybuilders wanted an organization , just for them.
The IFBB began years before the NPC as the world amatuer and pro divsions of  bodybuilding . For example, they started the Olympia and eventual pro circuit we have now.
I remember getting my first NPC card application, 30 yrs ago at a BB meet and expo. I was told by the rep, that this new NPC  was a pure bodybuilding organization. Unlike the AAU, bodybuilding would be the ONLY sport they would promote. I signed up that day and paid my dues on the spot.

At this years 2010 nationals, figure and bikini were at least 2/3 of the entrants and time on stage in the finals.
Since this is the NPC's flagship national event, I must conclude it represents the ideals and best of what the NPC has to offer.
Based on simple numbers, the NPC has shifted from  mosltly bodybuilding to mostly figure and bikini.
The official policy is to now add more figure based entrants in the form of male fitness physique. In this class the men will wear knee length board shorts and be judged more as a "beach body".

I want to be part of an organization that is about bodybuilding NOT figure or bathing suit contests.
The numbers and what I saw speak volumes about where the NPC is now and where they headed.
I am not sure what will happen exactly, but I do know that the NPC isn't the same "BODYBUILING only " organzation I first jioned 3 decades ago.

Gotta change with the times, Howie....it aint what it used to be for male BBers...gone are the 80/ 90's with 200 BBers competing in the Nationals, 40 guys in a class, etc.  It's a tough sell to any young guy to put out time and money for our sport...especially in this "drive-through" style of life we have these days.  Instatnt gratification is whats desired....convincing someone to invest YEARS of their time so they could MAYBE win a pro card, and then MAYBE start making some money is difficult if not impossible.  Also, kids arent privvy to BB until much later in life as conventional sports like Football, baseball, soccer, etc. are what we grow up with, are surrounded with, and are exposed to from day 1...


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Re: The original purpose and goals of the NPC and IFBB
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2010, 07:11:00 PM »
Gotta change with the times, Howie....it aint what it used to be for male BBers...gone are the 80/ 90's with 200 BBers competing in the Nationals, 40 guys in a class, etc.  It's a tough sell to any young guy to put out time and money for our sport...especially in this "drive-through" style of life we have these days.  Instatnt gratification is whats desired....convincing someone to invest YEARS of their time so they could MAYBE win a pro card, and then MAYBE start making some money is difficult if not impossible.  Also, kids arent privvy to BB until much later in life as conventional sports like Football, baseball, soccer, etc. are what we grow up with, are surrounded with, and are exposed to from day 1...


Bob, you are the IFBB athletes rep. This is bodybuilding we are talking about and you represent the pro male and female bodybuilders in the IFBB.
Change isn't worth a crap, if we only have 20% bodybuilding and 80% bathing suit divisions within the NPC/IFBB.
I understand you worked your way into making a living within BB organizations and related industry. You gotta do, what you gotta do to make a living.

NOT me. I am looking for another BB organization to get involved with. Thanks for taking the time to talk with me as a fan these past yrs.
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Re: The original purpose and goals of the NPC and IFBB
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2010, 07:20:33 PM »
Gotta change with the times, Howie....it aint what it used to be for male BBers...gone are the 80/ 90's with 200 BBers competing in the Nationals, 40 guys in a class, etc.  It's a tough sell to any young guy to put out time and money for our sport...especially in this "drive-through" style of life we have these days.  Instatnt gratification is whats desired....convincing someone to invest YEARS of their time so they could MAYBE win a pro card, and then MAYBE start making some money is difficult if not impossible.  Also, kids arent privvy to BB until much later in life as conventional sports like Football, baseball, soccer, etc. are what we grow up with, are surrounded with, and are exposed to from day 1...

Bob, do you believe men's bodybuilding will die without change?  If that is the case, why not just change the judging rules to accommodate the desired look?  There really is no need for male figure.  The judges have the power to affect change.   

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« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2010, 07:22:19 PM »
Bob, you are the IFBB athletes rep. This is bodybuilding we are talking about and you represent the pro male and female bodybuilders in the IFBB.
Change isn't worth a crap, if we only have 20% bodybuilding and 80% bathing suit divisions within the NPC/IFBB.
I understand you worked your way into making a living within BB organizations and related industry. You gotta do, what you gotta do to make a living.

NOT me. I am looking for another BB organization to get involved with. Thanks for taking the time to talk with me as a fan these past yrs.
All the best, Howard In Ga.

What would you suggest, sir?  Cant force guys to participate...as for other orgs, they barely survive as it is.  

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Re: The original purpose and goals of the NPC and IFBB
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2010, 07:25:31 PM »
Bob, do you believe men's bodybuilding will die without change?  If that is the case, why not just change the judging rules to accommodate the desired look?  There really is no need for male figure.  The judges have the power to affect change.   

Mens BB doesnt need any overhaul, its just a tough sell in these ever changing times...kids dont want to spend countless hours in the gym, they just have that kind of dicipline these days, not the attention span.  Patience is a lost art...and people have gotten lazier over time...

This is just expanding the brand to include more opportunities...this isnt a case of giving BBers a choice...they're two entirely different animals.

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Re: The original purpose and goals of the NPC and IFBB
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2010, 07:26:56 PM »
Bob, you are the IFBB athletes rep. This is bodybuilding we are talking about and you represent the pro male and female bodybuilders in the IFBB.
Change isn't worth a crap, if we only have 20% bodybuilding and 80% bathing suit divisions within the NPC/IFBB.
I understand you worked your way into making a living within BB organizations and related industry. You gotta do, what you gotta do to make a living.

NOT me. I am looking for another BB organization to get involved with. Thanks for taking the time to talk with me as a fan these past yrs.
All the best, Howard In Ga.
Hey Howie, check out The Positive Board, some dude from the WBFF just posted a video and link there. ;D


http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=329004.0
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Re: The original purpose and goals of the NPC and IFBB
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2010, 07:30:27 PM »
As a sport, I think that bodybuilding is dead. If it is not dead, then it is dying.

As a spectacle, though, there will always be people willing to pay to see super-freaks. And as long as this remains true, the Olympia and the Arnold will be successful. The problem is that the success of these two shows tend to cover up the failures in the sport itself.

I think that the success of the Olympia and the Arnold, as well as the changes in judging protocol and criteria clearly indicate that bodybuilding has decided that it is to be spectacle rather than a sport.

At least, that is what I think.

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« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2010, 07:31:10 PM »
What would you suggest, sir?  Cant force guys to participate...as for other orgs, they barely survive as it is.  
YOU said that the fans want to see big freaks when I made the suggestion of going to drug tested pros.
YOU were right then ,I admit that, but wrong now.
If they dilute the show down with majority swim suit bodies, it will be a NON event in a hurry.
The reason other organizations struggle is that they don't have incredible bodybuilders like the IFBB and NPC .

I can honestly see this being the end of bodybuilding as we know it.
I know you can't say it here, but you are not going to be too thrilled to MC the Mr "Board Shorts" figure class at the Olympia.
If the IFBB can sell tickets for a mostly swimsuit "pageant", then Good luck and God bless.

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« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2010, 07:35:42 PM »
Hey Howie, check out The Positive Board, some dude from the WBFF just posted a video and link there. ;D


http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=329004.0

Thanks I hope they do well, but we shall see.

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Re: The original purpose and goals of the NPC and IFBB
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2010, 07:36:06 PM »
YOU said that the fans want to see big freaks when I made the suggestion of going to drug tested pros.
YOU were right then ,I admit that, but wrong now.
If they dilute the show down with majority swim suit bodies, it will be a NON event in a hurry.
The reason other organizations struggle is that they don't have incredible bodybuilders like the IFBB and NPC .

I can honestly see this being the end of bodybuilding as we know it.
I know you can't say it here, but you are not going to be too thrilled to MC the Mr "Board Shorts" figure class at the Olympia.
If the IFBB can sell tickets for a mostly swimsuit "pageant", then Good luck and God bless.

They DO want to see freaks...thats what we have.

The show doesnt get diluted when the divisions are TOTALLY SEPERATE

Were still selling tickets to BB shows, just has other events to watch IN ADDITION TO...

It's not like the mens physique contestants stand on stage with the bBers...

I'm really at a loss here, Howie...you're not making any logical sense.

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« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2010, 07:37:44 PM »
Mens BB doesnt need any overhaul, its just a tough sell in these ever changing times...kids dont want to spend countless hours in the gym, they just have that kind of dicipline these days, not the attention span.  Patience is a lost art...and people have gotten lazier over time...

This is just expanding the brand to include more opportunities...this isnt a case of giving BBers a choice...they're two entirely different animals.

Dorian didn't spend countless hours in the gym...


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« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2010, 07:38:10 PM »
Were still selling tickets to BB shows, just has other events to watch IN ADDITION TO...
Exactly Howies point, it's no longer bbing shows with side attractions, bbing has become the side attraction and bikinis and twink in board shorts are now the main attraction. Howie likes his men in thongs to be the sole source of his entertainment.
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Re: The original purpose and goals of the NPC and IFBB
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2010, 07:38:38 PM »
Mens BB doesnt need any overhaul, its just a tough sell in these ever changing times...kids dont want to spend countless hours in the gym, they just have that kind of dicipline these days, not the attention span.  Patience is a lost art...and people have gotten lazier over time...

This is just expanding the brand to include more opportunities...this isnt a case of giving BBers a choice...they're two entirely different animals.

If kids don't have the patience or attention span to put the necessary work into becoming a bodybuilder, isn't bodybuilding in trouble?  I noticed that the elite competitors are getting older and older.  To me that's a sign that bodybuilding does need some overhaul to bring in some new blood.  Allowing them to pursue a completely different division like men's figure will not save bodybuilding.  

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« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2010, 07:41:40 PM »
If kids don't have the patience or attention span to put the necessary work into becoming a bodybuilder, isn't bodybuilding in trouble?  I noticed that the elite competitors are getting older and older.  To me that's a sign that bodybuilding does need some overhaul to bring in some new blood.  Allowing them to pursue a completely different division like men's figure will not save bodybuilding.  

It's not intended to "save" anything....

The elite competitors are getting older, because the bar has been raised over the years and it takes the average pro a lot longer to achieve that level...


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« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2010, 07:42:42 PM »
If kids don't have the patience or attention span to put the necessary work into becoming a bodybuilder, isn't bodybuilding in trouble?  I noticed that the elite competitors are getting older and older.  To me that's a sign that bodybuilding does need some overhaul to bring in some new blood.  Allowing them to pursue a completely different division like men's figure will not save bodybuilding.  
It saves total revenue

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« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2010, 07:44:18 PM »
To me, this would be like being an avid car fan whose into muscle cars, and bitching because they added an antique car collection and an exotic car collection to the show...WHATS THE DIFFERENCE? I'll still only be interested in the muscle cars and wont waste my time looking at the other collections...as long as the amount of muscle cars being shown isnt diminished because of it, WHO CARES?

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« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2010, 07:48:59 PM »
To me, this would be like being an avid car fan whose into muscle cars, and bitching because they added an antique car collection and an exotic car collection to the show...WHATS THE DIFFERENCE? I'll still only be interested in the muscle cars and wont waste my time looking at the other collections...as long as the amount of muscle cars being shown isnt diminished because of it, WHO CARES?
LOL, but they are diminishing dipshit, you said it yourself........

It's not intended to "save" anything....

The elite competitors are getting older, because the bar has been raised over the years and it takes the average pro a lot longer to achieve that level...

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