I think you're missing the point here...the guys with the better routines were NOT scored as such...thats the whole argument...that a Kevin LeVrone should have beaten Ronnie Coleman based on the fact that he would have scored first in the posing round...
Actually, that is the whole point. If the judges were doing their jobs, they
would have scored Levrone first in the posing round,
if posing is to be judged.
That would make it all but impossible to ever climb the ladder up the ranks...guys like Ronnie Coleman and Jay Cutler who were dead last in their first Olympia may get blocked out for YEARS by better natural posers
Not necessarily. Those guys placed poorly because either their physiques were not good enough at the time or the judging was rewarding the wrong type of physique. If you are worried about poor physiques placing ahead of good ones because of superior posing, then the idea of limiting the posing round to those who make the finals (and the number of finalists need not be only six) may eliminate that problem because by that time, the best physiques can then compete with each other. Posing would be a good way of working out who is the best.
No they dont...and they're not even close to having the diversity we do...Ice skating, Gymnastics, diving...are all someehat handcuffed as they have specic criteria they have to do, which makes them somewhat restricted in their presentations... They also share the controversy in judging decisions as we do...
The big difference here is that those sports have an accountable and transparent judging and scoring system. In bodybuilding, the amount of information in the scoring process is basically unknowable. All people see is a number and those numbers have no connection with the criteria. In terms of at least making bodybuilding look accountable, fixing that up would be a step in the right direction.
As for posing criteria, that is not that much of a problem. There are various things that could be experimented with here: limit the number of poses, play with the amount of time permissible, set the type of poses allowed (eg, how many times can the mandatories be repeated in a routine etc etc)
One point, I think that gets overlooked is that good physiques, balanced phsyqiues, can pull off many more poses and still look good than a physique that is too big or lacks proportion. When Zane or Labrada pose, for example, they rarely repeat the same pose. Isn't that a sign of a quality physique? These days, the number and type of poses that the tops guys do seem limited - just most muscular variations and the mandatories. Most musculars are probably the easiest pose to 'look good' doing.
Yes, it has. Most notably the Olympia which is just under a Million in total purse, almost double what it was 10 years ago
Other than the Arnold and the Olympia, have the other shows been able to increase their prize money? I remember in the early nineties, the first place award was $10,000 for most of the circuit type shows. That's still the same, right?
Back to square one....when it CANT improve your placing for the various reasons I outlined, the motivation is gone. Prize money means a great deal to these guys, as many of them have bonus clauses in their contracts which pay a pretty good dollar, some matching it dollar for dollar actually
This actually supports my point. By making posing something that CAN affect placing, then surely the competitors will make the effort to improve it in order to place better?
Again, thanks for responding. I appreciate you taking the time to at least consider the points I am trying to raise.
