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Re: 33333 put up that clip of O'Donnell and the first ammendment..
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2010, 12:10:22 PM »
This broad is retarded
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/20/anderson-cooper-schools-c_n_769836.html

She was right.  The so called Sep of church and state exists as a result of a letter by Thomas Jefferson.  sorry - Mal - she schooled Coons on this who himself did not know the 1st amendment, 

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Re: 33333 put up that clip of O'Donnell and the first ammendment..
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2010, 12:18:54 PM »
I posted this elsewhere, but to recap:

I wonder if all those brilliant folk, yapping about seperation of church and state, particularly at that school were O'Donnell and Coons were, just caught Sean Hannity's old clip of Al Gore getting the Holy Ghost at a black church back in '98, talking about how the Republican agenda was the wrong one for black people.

This, of course, was in between wails of "WHEN THE GLORY OF THE LORD SHALL BE REVEALED!!!!". I nearly spit out my protein shake, in laughter. I mean, the only thing missing would have been Gore speaking in tongues.


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Re: 33333 put up that clip of O'Donnell and the first ammendment..
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2010, 12:19:42 PM »
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Separation of Church and State,
Thomas Jefferson and the First Amendment



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Who was Thomas Jefferson ,  and what did he believe?


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             Today, many Americans think that the First Amendment says "Separation of Church and State." The Courts and the media will often refer to a ruling as being in violation of the "Separation of Church and State." A recent national poll showed that 69% of Americans believe that the First Amendment says "Separation of Church and State." You may be surprised to learn that these words do not appear in the First Amendment or anywhere else in the Constitution!1 Here is what the First Amendment actually does say.


The First Amendment :
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
As you can see the First Amendment does not contain the words "Separation of Church and State".  The First Amendment gives citizens the Freedom to Worship God without Government interference.  Assures that the Government will not establish a State Religion.  That people are free to speak their minds without the government arresting them.  Granting citizens to publish news that may be critical of the government without fear of arrest or fines, and finely the right of citizens to peacefully gather together or march in rallies or parades.  
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So where did the words "Separation of Church and State." come from? They can be traced back to a letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote back in 1802. In October 1801, the Danbury Baptist Association of Connecticut wrote to President Jefferson, and in their letter they voiced some concerns about Religious Freedom. On January 1, 1802 Jefferson wrote a letter to them in which he added the phrase "Separation of Church and State." When you read the full letter, you will understand that Jefferson was simply underscoring the First Amendment as a guardian of the peoples religious freedom from government interference. Here is an excerpt from Jefferson's letter. . .


"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State." Read the full text of Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptist Association .<< Click on this Link.

Jefferson simply quotes the First Amendment then uses a metaphor, the "wall", to separate the government from interfering with religious practice. Notice that the First Amendment puts Restrictions only on the Government, not the People! The Warren Court re-interpreted the First Amendment thus putting the restrictions on the People! Today the government can stop you from Praying in school, reading the Bible in school, showing the Ten Commandments in school, or have religious displays at Christmas. This is quite different from the wall Jefferson envisioned, protecting the people from government interference with Religious practice.


When Thomas Jefferson wrote his letter to the Danbury Baptist Association he never intended the words "Separation of Church and State" to be taken out of context and used as a substitute for the First Amendment, but for all practical purposes is what the courts have done.


If actions speak stronger then words, it is interesting to note that 3 days after Jefferson wrote those words, he attended church in the largest congregation in North America at the time. This church held its weekly worship services on government property, in the House Chambers of the U.S. Capital Building. The wall of separation applies everywhere in the country even on government property , without government interference. This is how it is written in the Constitution, this is how Thomas Jefferson understood it from his letter and actions, and this is how the men who wrote the Constitution practiced it.

"The metaphor of a wall of separation is bad history and worse law. It has made a positive chaos out of court rulings. It should be explicitly abandoned."Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, William Rehnquist

Also notice that there are two parts to the First Amendment that refer to religion: the establishment clause2 and the free exercise clause3. Today much is said about the establishment clause but there is very little mention of the free exercise clause. (Read Below for a description of these two concepts.)

While the words "Separation of Church and State" do not appear in the U.S. Constitution, they do appear in the constitution of the former U.S.S.R. Communist State4.

At the very heart of Jefferson's idea "Wall of Separation",  is the notion that the government will not interfere with people's right to worship God.  The very fact that the government has ruled to regulate religious practices, indicates that the government has crossed that "Wall of Separation."  

While Congress has never passed a Law that Prohibits Prayer in School, the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that it is Illegal for children to Pray in School because it violates the "Separation of Church and State" which is not in the Constitution.  Their faulty reasoning is that Praying Establishes a State Religion, but in fact, this is really Citizens Freely Practicing their Religious faith in God.   The Government would be establishing a State Religion if it forced all the children to pray to a God of one type of Religion or Denomination that they did not believe in.  However, Prayer in School was alway voluntary and students were free not to be a part of school prayers.  Ruling that students can not Pray in School violates the Constitution of the United States by interfering with the Free Practice of Religion.  Thus the Supreme Court rulings on School Prayer and Bible Reading are illegal as they violate the Constitution.  Thus when the Supreme Court forbids students from praying before a football game asking God to protect the players in the game, the Court is exercising the very tyranny of the minority that our Forefathers tried to stop.  The Highest Court in the land has failed to Safe-Guard the Peoples Right to Worship without Government Interference.  We have Justices on the Supreme Court that either do not understand the Constitution and the Bill of Rights or have a very dishonest social agenda that they wish to impose on America.  In either case they are not qualified to be Justices of the Supreme Court and should be Impeached by the Congress of the United States.  


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Re: 33333 put up that clip of O'Donnell and the first ammendment..
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2010, 12:20:41 PM »
Also, the next time Bill Maher and Lawrence O'Donnell run their mouths about that, make sure they head STRAIGHT for the black churches in about 18 months and remind Obama, Biden, and a host of other Democrats about this so-called separation of church and state.

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Re: 33333 put up that clip of O'Donnell and the first ammendment..
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2010, 12:21:56 PM »
First Amendment gives citizens the Freedom to Worship God without Government interference. Assures that the Government will not establish a State Religion.


how is that not separation of church and state?

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Re: 33333 put up that clip of O'Donnell and the first ammendment..
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2010, 12:22:14 PM »
This is another example of typical predictable un-informed, ignorant, inept, far left fools spouting bullshit on subjects they are completely clueless about.  

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Re: 33333 put up that clip of O'Donnell and the first ammendment..
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2010, 12:24:03 PM »
This is another example of typical predictable un-informed, ignorant, inept, far left fools spouting bullshit on subjects they are completely clueless about.  

Please tell me youre joking...Dude...State wont get in your way of church, State wont make a church...

How the fuck is that not separation of church and state?...i mean what the fuck

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Re: 33333 put up that clip of O'Donnell and the first ammendment..
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2010, 12:26:50 PM »
The First Amendment :

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.




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Show me where the so called separation exists? 

I agree that it has become accepted constutional norms, but strictly speaking - show me where you find it.  While you are at it - show be the basis for gay marraige, abortion, etc. 

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Re: 33333 put up that clip of O'Donnell and the first ammendment..
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2010, 12:35:21 PM »
are you playing that game with me right now...the intent of the language of the first ammendment is to define the line between church and state because GB was run by the Church of England.. Dont play this bull shit game with me.

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Re: 33333 put up that clip of O'Donnell and the first ammendment..
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2010, 12:38:57 PM »
333 do you believe in a separation of church and state?
Abandon every hope...

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Re: 33333 put up that clip of O'Donnell and the first ammendment..
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2010, 12:41:43 PM »
333 do you believe in a separation of church and state?

He is playin this bullshit partyline game to defend this retarded broad...

i cant believe it..so fuckin dumb....i didnt think it would come to this level...im almost positive if she said the sky was green he would come on line saying how blue actually has a bit of green in the make up so she is techinally right in saying the sky is green...what the fuck man..this shit has to stop

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Re: 33333 put up that clip of O'Donnell and the first ammendment..
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2010, 12:43:15 PM »
333 do you believe in a separation of church and state?

Yes - but i also have read enough to know what the cost says.  

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Re: 33333 put up that clip of O'Donnell and the first ammendment..
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2010, 12:45:16 PM »
Yes - but i also have read enough to know what the cost says.  

So you don't agree with the legal interpretations given by the supreme court on this issue solely because the wording doesn't explicitly say - separation of church and state?
Abandon every hope...

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Re: 33333 put up that clip of O'Donnell and the first ammendment..
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2010, 12:46:10 PM »
i officially cant take it anymore.. seriously...if this is gonna be dudes responses to shit.. i will refrain from speaking politics with him.. if he is such a party line scumbag that cant even concede that the gurantee of separation of church and state (not in those exact words) is in the first ammendment ANNNNNNNDDDD is an ESQ. God damn man, there is no point

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Re: 33333 put up that clip of O'Donnell and the first ammendment..
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2010, 12:49:02 PM »
Someone should tell Obama about the concept of separation of church and state, or is Islam exempt from that, too?

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Re: 33333 put up that clip of O'Donnell and the first ammendment..
« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2010, 12:50:10 PM »
i officially cant take it anymore.. seriously...if this is gonna be dudes responses to shit.. i will refrain from speaking politics with him.. if he is such a party line scumbag that cant even concede that the gurantee of separation of church and state (not in those exact words) is in the first ammendment ANNNNNNNDDDD is an ESQ. God damn man, there is no point

I am a party line scumbag?  Considering you spent two years defending failure from Obama for whatever reason, considering I posted the First Amend verbatim and was asking for the techinical location of the "separation", considering you don't understand how inflation is a tax, etc etc - I really do think you need to cool down bro.  

If anyone has been the party hack - well - it aint me.  

As for this issue - Levin is a constitutional scholar and knows far more than you or the other dolts on the left.  

 

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Re: 33333 put up that clip of O'Donnell and the first ammendment..
« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2010, 12:52:10 PM »
i officially cant take it anymore.. seriously...if this is gonna be dudes responses to shit.. i will refrain from speaking politics with him.. if he is such a party line scumbag that cant even concede that the gurantee of separation of church and state (not in those exact words) is in the first ammendment ANNNNNNNDDDD is an ESQ. God damn man, there is no point

Listen to my clip from Levin you dope.  Educate yourself for Gods' sake.   More time reading books, less time listening to comedians for your opinions.     

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Re: 33333 put up that clip of O'Donnell and the first ammendment..
« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2010, 12:56:51 PM »
Dude you and i know that had it been a democrat saying the gurantee that the government wouldnt interfere in your religion wasnt in the first ammendment you would have called her a dumbass...you can play this dumb ass game if you want but you know its wack as hell..you know it...the 1st ammendment is freedom of religion...from the state...as opposed to what was going on in england

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Re: 33333 put up that clip of O'Donnell and the first ammendment..
« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2010, 12:59:08 PM »
Dude you and i know that had it been a democrat saying the gurantee that the government wouldnt interfere in your religion wasnt in the first ammendment you would have called her a dumbass...you can play this dumb ass game if you want but you know its wack as hell..you know it...the 1st ammendment is freedom of religion...from the state...as opposed to what was going on in england


Yes - and if you read the article i posted, the clip from Levin, other information, as opposed to the talking points of comedians and jokesters, you will learn that the issue is not as simply as the clowns on Comedy Channel would lead you to believe. 

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Re: 33333 put up that clip of O'Donnell and the first ammendment..
« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2010, 01:02:39 PM »

Yes - and if you read the article i posted, the clip from Levin, other information, as opposed to the talking points of comedians and jokesters, you will learn that the issue is not as simply as the clowns on Comedy Channel would lead you to believe. 

im taking the clip that i saw her speak in..i havent even watched any of my comedy shows. I learned in the 9th grade that the first ammendment guranteed our protection from religious persecution, government religion...thats a separation of church and state...what the fuck are you missing...just because it isnt said in those words...and your partyline candidate fucked it up...you want to twist it.. yeah you reached a new low

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Re: 33333 put up that clip of O'Donnell and the first ammendment..
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« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2010, 01:13:02 PM »
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Can you read?Please tell me where that says "seperation of church and state?That particular phrase comes from Jefferson NOT the constitution.Liberals use this phrase to ban religion from public places which is clearly NOT the intent of the law.

Now,there is a constitution where "seperation of church and state "exists.Russia had that in their constitution.Not surprising libs would interpret that to mean the same thing in America as most are borderline marxists.

"Article 14 of the Russian constitution states:

The Russian Federation is a secular state. No religion may be established as a state or obligatory one.
Religious associations shall be separated from the State and shall be equal before the law."


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Re: 33333 put up that clip of O'Donnell and the first ammendment..
« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2010, 01:17:19 PM »
She was right.  The so called Sep of church and state exists as a result of a letter by Thomas Jefferson.  sorry - Mal - she schooled Coons on this who himself did not know the 1st amendment, 

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« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2010, 01:18:16 PM »
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