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Re: 33333 put up that clip of O'Donnell and the first ammendment..
« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2010, 01:25:45 PM »

dude I know where the term came from and the intent. TJ is one of my most respected historical figures. But for this argument and the intention of the constitution. I'm not looking for the exact term but clearly stating that this country was founded for that exact purpose. Government for and by the people. Not the roman catholic church or the church of England. That is why the separation is there. So you and Billy are playing this party bullshit when you know good and the hell well why it was put in the constitution and it was to ensure that there was a clear line between what the government can do when it comes to religion.

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« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2010, 01:27:48 PM »
dude I know where the term came from and the intent. TJ is one of my most respected historical figures. But for this argument and the intention of the constitution. I'm not looking for the exact term but clearly stating that this country was founded for that exact purpose. Government for and by the people. Not the roman catholic church or the church of England. That is why the separation is there. So you and Billy are playing this party bullshit when you know good and the hell well why it was put in the constitution and it was to ensure that there was a clear line between what the government can do when it comes to religion.

Religion= church
Government/law= state

I said I agreed with the concept - but disagree with everyone hopping all over COD on this when it was Coons who could not listed what exactly was in the 1st Amend, despite the fact he went to Harvard Law. 

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« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2010, 01:43:09 PM »
dude I know where the term came from and the intent. TJ is one of my most respected historical figures. But for this argument and the intention of the constitution. I'm not looking for the exact term but clearly stating that this country was founded for that exact purpose. Government for and by the people. Not the roman catholic church or the church of England. That is why the separation is there. So you and Billy are playing this party bullshit when you know good and the hell well why it was put in the constitution and it was to ensure that there was a clear line between what the government can do when it comes to religion.

Religion= church
Government/law= state

Yes,it was put in their so government couldnt dictate what religion people must follow.Liberals take that to mean a girl at school cant pray.THERE IS NO SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!There is a requirement that government can not infringe on the religion of the people.Libs throw that away every single day.

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« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2010, 08:48:14 PM »
He is playin this bullshit partyline game to defend this retarded broad...

i cant believe it..so fuckin dumb....i didnt think it would come to this level...im almost positive if she said the sky was green he would come on line saying how blue actually has a bit of green in the make up so she is techinally right in saying the sky is green...what the fuck man..this shit has to stop

i officially cant take it anymore.. seriously...if this is gonna be dudes responses to shit.. i will refrain from speaking politics with him.. if he is such a party line scumbag that cant even concede that the gurantee of separation of church and state (not in those exact words) is in the first ammendment ANNNNNNNDDDD is an ESQ. God damn man, there is no point


Exactly.  The fact that the statement CLEARLY spells out that Congress will make no law in regards to establishing a religion or exercising of one's faith is pretty much point blank telling you that the Church of one's choice is separate from state function and creation.

Hell, if Church and State are NOT separated, can someone tell me what the official State Sponsored Church of Florida is?  Because I am going to go and pray for y'alls dumbasses.

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« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2010, 08:50:38 PM »
 you are out of your league by a mile.  

You are measuring that mile by looking upwards aren't you?   Because in clear cut common sense language, you are beneath the average poster's feet.  I used to think no one could be this dumb, but I am convinced you are purposely putting effort into it.

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« Reply #30 on: October 20, 2010, 11:01:28 PM »
You are measuring that mile by looking upwards aren't you?   Because in clear cut common sense language, you are beneath the average poster's feet.  I used to think no one could be this dumb, but I am convinced you are purposely putting effort into it.
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« Reply #31 on: October 21, 2010, 04:49:23 AM »
The U.S. Supreme Court has currently interpreted it since 1947, to mean that religion and government must stay separate for the benefit of both, including the idea that the government must not impose religion on Americans nor create any law requiring it. It has since been in several opinions handed down by the United States Supreme Court,[1] though the Court has not always fully embraced the principle.[2][3][4][5][6]  from the internets :D


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« Reply #32 on: October 21, 2010, 04:58:38 AM »
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« Reply #33 on: October 21, 2010, 05:43:47 AM »
If Church and State are not separated, then what is the official state sponsored church?  What is the official religion?

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« Reply #34 on: October 21, 2010, 05:46:37 AM »



Right - I am "owned" when the leftist posters on this site can't make an argument on an issue besides attacks on me individually.  Right, I got it.

Obviously, you don't.   An argument on the issue and topic here was made that you are unable to refute in a way that expresses an articulate point and evidence. 

And since when is telling the truth about you considered attacks?  If you can't handle the truth, try adopting a new behavior pattern.

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« Reply #35 on: October 21, 2010, 05:54:35 AM »
If Church and State are not separated, then what is the official state sponsored church?  What is the official religion?

Its a fine distinction - but at the time of the founding and adoption of the U.S. Cons., many states adopted official religions for their individual states.   The U.S. const 1, st amend - was meant to prohibit the Federal Govt from creating a National Religion, but not prohibit the States from doing so since many states were afraid thatt he national govt would infringe on the states rights regarding religion.  This was more a states issue as opposed to a "separation" issue.    

However, later on the incorporation doctrine was interepreted to apply to the states via the 14th Amend to the BOR and apply the same standards to the states as well as the Fed Govt.  Thus, the states were prohibited from certain things the same way the national govt was.  Its a techincal legal interpretation issue, but the incoorporation doctrine has a lot to do with this.  TRUST ME - I DONT THINK ODONNELL IS AWARE OF THESE FINE POINTS AND DISTINCTIONS.    

The so called "seperation" was interepreted through case law, common law, and other judicial rulings, but its not exactly in the Const itself.  COD was right in a narrow sense, but I really don't think she was arguing against the premise itself.    

Now - as a practical matter - of course i agreee with the separation of church and state and wish there were even more of it.   However, to trash her over this is misguided IMHO considering the history behind the adoption of the BOR as it applied to religions and the concerns many states had at the time that the Fed Gov would impose a national religion and infring upon a states' ability to declare its own.        

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« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2010, 06:22:51 AM »
If Church and State are not separated, then what is the official state sponsored church?  What is the official religion?

We agree that the first ammendment bans the attempt by government to put in a state sponsored religion.EVERYONE agrees with that.However,the first ammendment doesnt totally seperate church and state as proven by the fact that congress opens their daily activities with a prayer.No seperation of church and state there is there?

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« Reply #37 on: October 21, 2010, 06:57:38 AM »
Opening Congress with a prayer doesn't mean there is any inclusive connection between Church and State.  It simply means members of Congress are practicing their faith, as they are free to do.  Nothing more. 

That is like attempting to prove separation doesn't exist because Congress people actually go to church and sit in the pews.  Hey... Congress is here so they can't be separate huh?

If there is no separation, then why can't Congress pass a church tax? 


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« Reply #38 on: October 21, 2010, 07:24:08 AM »
Opening Congress with a prayer doesn't mean there is any inclusive connection between Church and State.  It simply means members of Congress are practicing their faith, as they are free to do.  Nothing more.  

That is like attempting to prove separation doesn't exist because Congress people actually go to church and sit in the pews.  Hey... Congress is here so they can't be separate huh?

If there is no separation, then why can't Congress pass a church tax?  

It's not the same thing.  Opening Congress with a prayer means members of Congress are practicing their faith at work, a Federal government job at a Federal government building.  

I see you guys arguing back and forth and the only explanation I see is that there are many contradictions.  There is supposed to be this separation of church and state, yet Congress opens with a prayer, there are Judeo-Christian symbols all over DC's government buildings, Moses holding the 10 commandments is plastered on the Supreme Court building, etc.  Just a bunch of contradictions and double standards.

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« Reply #39 on: October 21, 2010, 07:32:29 AM »
It's not the same thing.  Opening Congress with a prayer means members of Congress are practicing their faith at work, a Federal government job at a Federal government building.  

I see you guys arguing back and forth and the only explanation I see is that there are many contradictions.  There is supposed to be this separation of church and state, yet Congress opens with a prayer, there are Judeo-Christian symbols all over DC's government buildings, Moses holding the 10 commandments is plastered on the Supreme Court building, etc.  Just a bunch of contradictions and double standards.

So obviuosly there is no seperation.We are allowed to practice our faith on government property,in government buildings etc.The only thing the first ammendment says is government cant force us to follow a state sponsored religion.

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« Reply #40 on: October 21, 2010, 07:43:44 AM »

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Right - I am "owned" when the leftist posters on this site can't make an argument on an issue besides attacks on me individually.  Right, I got it.   

Same as the Stim Bill, same as ObamaCare, same as the mosque, same as the NYC Terror trials, same as almost every issue you freaks have been proven wrong on, yet i am owned? 

Whatever - again, how about you morons actually read something for once instead of getting your talking points from comedians? 

absolutley not...i dont argue with attacks.

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« Reply #41 on: October 21, 2010, 07:51:57 AM »
So obviuosly there is no seperation.We are allowed to practice our faith on government property,in government buildings etc.The only thing the first ammendment says is government cant force us to follow a state sponsored religion.

Not only do members of Congress practice their faith in a Federal government building.  They do it during work hours.  It's not like they are having a Bible study or prayer meeting after work, during their lunch break or something like that.  They are at work.

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« Reply #42 on: October 21, 2010, 08:06:43 AM »
Not only do members of Congress practice their faith in a Federal government building.  They do it during work hours.  It's not like they are having a Bible study or prayer meeting after work, during their lunch break or something like that.  They are at work.

But thats not what the language of the constitution says.. The separation of church and state isnt as LOCO or Billy from getbig interpret it to be...it is that a religion cant be forced on you and the government wont put one religion over another...

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« Reply #43 on: October 21, 2010, 08:29:40 AM »
But thats not what the language of the constitution says.. The separation of church and state isnt as LOCO or Billy from getbig interpret it to be...it is that a religion cant be forced on you and the government wont put one religion over another...

I agree with that.Government can not put in a state religion that people must follw.But that is far different from trying to pull "IN GOD WE TRUST" off the dollar bill as libs try to interpret it.

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« Reply #44 on: October 21, 2010, 09:15:25 AM »
But thats not what the language of the constitution says.. The separation of church and state isnt as LOCO or Billy from getbig interpret it to be...it is that a religion cant be forced on you and the government wont put one religion over another...

Where do I say how I interpret the constitution?  I agree that no faith should be forced on anybody.  But many people use this "separation of church and state" to prevent others from practicing their faith, like forbidding kids from praying in public school.  Yet members of Congress can pray at work on Federal government property.

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« Reply #45 on: October 21, 2010, 09:21:01 AM »
your kid can pray all he wants in school

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« Reply #46 on: October 21, 2010, 09:27:38 AM »
your kid can pray all he wants in school

Okay, can a public school teacher start the class with a prayer, like Congress does?

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« Reply #47 on: October 21, 2010, 09:29:43 AM »
no , and i don't want them to

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« Reply #48 on: October 21, 2010, 09:31:31 AM »
no , and i don't want them to

Why not?  If it's not legal, why can the member of Congress pray, but the teacher can't?

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« Reply #49 on: October 21, 2010, 09:45:27 AM »
Why not?  If it's not legal, why can the member of Congress pray, but the teacher can't?

They can pray and the government can stop them from praying. But the government also cant force a kid to pray if he or she dosent want to