That Calorie is a Calorie Thing

[disturbia]

I don't get how Adonis, wavelength, and fatass can look at that eating for muscle building/muscle retention. If they lose weight on it fine, but it must absolutely strip muscle away. I mean Adonis and Wave are lean, yeah, but they are also ultra skinny, and fatman, well, he's another story altogether. I want to, and am losing weight, but at the same time want to get back the muscle I had and retain as much as possible. So in turn I take in 300 grams of protein a day, as protein repairs/builds the muscle.  I don't in any way shape or form understand how the following eating builds or retains muscle:


meal 1 - milk and protein powder = 274cals, 33p, 14c, 9f

snack - 2x coffee = 94cals, 6p, 10c, 3f

meal 2 - spicy bolognese linguine = 483cals, 42p, 52c, 13f

cardio - 30mins @ 40% VO2 max/ 115-120 bpms..

snack - strawberry cheesecake haagen dazs ice cream = 666cals, 10p, 71c, 39f

meal 3 - spicy bolognese linguine = 483cals, 42p, 52c, 13f

daily totals = 2000cals, 131p, 199c, 76f


I simply don't get how someone can go hard in the gym eating like this looking to build/retain muscle while dropping weight

[affeman]

Well, as you've already been in great shape, why don't you do the exact same thing you did back in the days?

[Deicide]

I think there is a middleground. I am kind of dieting right now and I 'kind of' eat what I want but I make sure it is pretty healthy. So, for example today I had a small BLT with chicken sandwich but it was really packed with tomatoes and onions in addition to the mayo and bread. But I think as I drop more and more I will become stricter.

I don't get how Adonis, wavelength, and fatass can look at that eating for muscle building/muscle retention. If they lose weight on it fine, but it must absolutely strip muscle away. I mean Adonis and Wave are lean, yeah, but they are also ultra skinny, and fatman, well, he's another story altogether. I want to, and am losing weight, but at the same time want to get back the muscle I had and retain as much as possible. So in turn I take in 300 grams of protein a day, as protein repairs/builds the muscle.  I don't in any way shape or form understand how the following eating builds or retains muscle:


meal 1 - milk and protein powder = 274cals, 33p, 14c, 9f

snack - 2x coffee = 94cals, 6p, 10c, 3f

meal 2 - spicy bolognese linguine = 483cals, 42p, 52c, 13f

cardio - 30mins @ 40% VO2 max/ 115-120 bpms..

snack - strawberry cheesecake haagen dazs ice cream = 666cals, 10p, 71c, 39f

meal 3 - spicy bolognese linguine = 483cals, 42p, 52c, 13f

daily totals = 2000cals, 131p, 199c, 76f


I simply don't get how someone can go hard in the gym eating like this looking to build/retain muscle while dropping weight

[Master Blaster]

well here's the "gun at your head" theory.

If someone told you you could only eat .8 grams of protein (tracked by "science") per day, 2,500 calories total combined with other food, and you had to gain 15 pounds of muscle in one month OR YOU WOULD DIE BY CHAINSAW DECAPITATION.

I think most people would come pretty close to 15 pounds 

[StickStickly]

Well, as you've already been in great shape, why don't you do the exact same thing you did back in the days?

Because he more then likely doesn't have the discipline to anymore or he was never in great shape. We have only seen clothed pics of him in his youth. This is the exact diet protocol i recommend for people who don't want to be bodybuilders but still want abs and aren't hormonized.

[Master Blaster]

oh...any fatloss would be allowed

[Ursus]

Maybe some people absorb and utilise protein better than others. Just a thought

I know of a few people who eat less protein than many others and yet look far better than people who eat a strict BB diet.

e.g if person one eat 30g of protein 6x day and absorts 15g of it a sitting and:

person 2 eats 40g of protein 6x day but only absorbs 10g of it then person A in theory will be bigger.

[Deicide]

Maybe some people absorb and utilise protein better than others. Just a thought

I know of a few people who eat less protein than many others and yet look far better than people who eat a strict BB diet.

e.g if person one eat 30g of protein 6x day and absorts 15g of it a sitting and:

person 2 eats 40g of protein 6x day but only absorbs 10g of it then person A in theory will be bigger.

Actually Goudy, don't you just eat whatever you want and just keep on getting more and more massive?

[PJim]

You don't need 300 grams that's for sure. I build and maintain on 100-150 and I'm 220. In fact when I used to try and eat 'clean', with 200 plus grams I used to really struggle to put on size as my calories and nutritional variation was limited(that with my overtraining). In fact one year I didn't gain a single pound eating like that. I think balance is key, protein cannot do it's job alone

[Deicide]

You don't need 300 grams that's for sure. I build and maintain on 100-150 and I'm 220. In fact when I used to try and eat 'clean', with 200 plus grams I used to really struggle to put on size as my calories and nutritional variation was limited(that with my overtraining). In fact one year I didn't gain a single pound eating like that. I think balance is key, protein cannot do it's job alone

Yeah, I mean, I have gone through phases where I have made the best strength gains not eating 2g per kg. It's weird.

[Ursus]

I do make sure I eat enough protein a day. At least 150-200g and try to keep my calories quite high. I have a theory that some people are better at absorbing protein more efficiently.

Synthetic testosterone makes people absorb protein better? So surely that means that people with higher natural test levels will be able to absorb more protein than others. However the gains people make naturally pale in absolute significance to those who take steroids etc

[Ursus]

Yeah, I mean, I have gone through phases where I have made the best strength gains not eating 2g per kg. It's weird.

Strength gains can be made in my experience on a poorer diet. Strength is generally tendon strength as well as more efficient firing of the CNS and muscle fibre recruitment. Size needs protein. However no way in hell am I ever eating 2g per lb of my b/w

[PJim]

Strength gains can be made in my experience on a poorer diet. Strength is generally tendon strength as well as more efficient firing of the CNS and muscle fibre recruitment. Size needs protein. However no way in hell am I ever eating 2g per lb of my b/w

I'm not sure because I am quite delicately jointed with tiny wrists and knees, yet my training partner is incredibly thick jointed and our strength levels are essentially the same. However, that might  be my competitive nature helping me adapt

[JOHN MATRIX]

take two twins, train them the same, while feeding one 2000 calories of steak/potatoes/vegetables, and feed the other 2000 calories of ketchup packets and pixie sticks, and see which one makes better gains.

so much for 'a calorie is a calorie'  

[Ursus]

How small is tiny wristed etc?

My wrists are 7"

What weight are you both and what height?

[Coach is Back!]

Not this shit again. I think we've figured out TA, wavelength and fatpanda are pretty much delusional although wavelength is the most reasonable out of the three. Neither have said how they came up with their calorie calculations let alone macros.

[PJim]

How small is tiny wristed etc?

My wrists are 7"

What weight are you both and what height?

I'm just shy of  6 foot, just measured at  6 3/4 inches 220 lb. He's 5'9" 252 and they've got to be an inch bigger.

[disturbia]

Because he more then likely doesn't have the discipline to anymore or he was never in great shape. We have only seen clothed pics of him in his youth. This is the exact diet protocol i recommend for people who don't want to be bodybuilders but still want abs and aren't hormonized.

well at least theres one retarded comment in the thread

[disturbia]

Not this shit again. I think we've figured out TA, wavelength and fatpanda are pretty much delusional although wavelength is the most reasonable out of the three. Neither have said how they came up with their calorie calculations let alone macros.

Im asking more about the muscle building retaining side rather than the weight loss side

[Coach is Back!]

well at least theres one retarded comment in the thread

x2

[Alexander D]

take two twins, train them the same, while feeding one 2000 calories of steak/potatoes/vegetables, and feed the other 2000 calories of ketchup packets and pixie sticks, and see which one makes better gains.

so much for 'a calorie is a calorie'  

Agreed.

The issue is that #1 you don’t know what these clowns are REALLY doing... and #2 some people can eat like shit and stay lean year round. Genetics play a big role in not only your bone structure, but also your metabolism, thyroid function, how you utilize macronutrients... etc etc

What you need to do is by trail and error- figure out what works for you, what YOU need to do to see the changes you want to see and forget about what these dipshits on getbig tell you... Yes, eating ice cream all day long will get you shredded... ok, great! Thanks!!

[Alexander D]

Case in point, i had this dude come up to me in the gym and ask about cardio and nutrition... etc he then went on to tell me that Dexter Jackson doesnt do cardio, so he doesnt think he has to either LOL... fuggin nuckleheads.

[Master Blaster]

well at least theres one retarded comment in the thread

Hey don't forget about my retarded comment.   

[The True Adonis]

take two twins, train them the same, while feeding one 2000 calories of steak/potatoes/vegetables, and feed the other 2000 calories of ketchup packets and pixie sticks, and see which one makes better gains.

so much for 'a calorie is a calorie'  

Arguments around the margins are never sufficient and are pointless to use.  I have NEVER met anyone who eats Ketchup packets and pixie sticks alone.  How many times do I have to repeat this: A Calorie IS Calorie and a Macronutrient is not a Macronutrient.

With that said, if you eat like a normal human being, meeting your nutritional needs (something that usually happens by default) or if you eat with a palate tuned to taste, you can eat whatever your heart desires day in and day out.  I still don`t understand why this concept is so foreign to the majority.  I guess its lack of education or fear. Who knows?  

[hazbin]

just drink 1500 calories of butter a day, you'll be ripped and huge.