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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2010, 08:28:14 PM »
So the question is, will Benny respond with counter points to your counter points or will Benny throw out a few insults and run or ignore your reponses altogether?

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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2010, 08:33:11 PM »
So the question is, will Benny respond with counter points to your counter points or will Benny throw out a few insults and run or ignore your reponses altogether?
youtube video... ;)

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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2010, 08:48:54 PM »
youtube video... ;)

Yeah......


Will Benny:

A.  Throw out some insults?
B.  Paste a bunch of tedious you tube clips?
C.  Ignore the counter points altogether?
D.  All or some or one of the above?
E.  Construct a legitimate argument with links for back ups free of ad. Hom? 

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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2010, 08:49:14 PM »
Eight) Government spending takes money out of the economy.Reality: Government is We, the People and the money it spends is on We, the People. Many people do not know that it is government that builds the roads, airports, ports, courts, schools and other things that are the soil in which business thrives. Many people think that all government spending is on “welfare” and “foreign aid” when that is only a small part of the government’s budget.

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THIS HAS GOT TO BE ONE OF THE MOST RIDICULOUS THINGS i HAVE EVER READ.

The govt doesnt create wealth, it destroys it.  In order to get the money to spend the govt first has to either take it from the private sector in the form of taxes or go the magic money printing schemes at the Federal Reserves. 

When the govt runs a deficit, it is financed by selling treasuries and bonds to creditors that it then has to pay back at a later date.  This is essence is the same as paying for bubble gum on a credit card.  You are paying it off long after the usefulness of the gum has worn off. 

Additionally, this paragrpah neglects to mention the devaluation of the dollar the accompanies such money priniting to finance the spending addition.  So the end result is taxpayers with less purchasing power, higher taxes, and a lower standard of living. 

What a ridiuclous paragraph this is also in the sense that the author seems to be intimating that things would be even better if we taxed everyone at 100% and spent literally as much as we could print at the federal reserve.  This is beyond insane to all but those who don't work and pay taxes. 
 

Agreed.  How exactly do people think the government creates wealth?  

What the fuck are taxes for then?  I have a business.  I don't get tax money to fund my projects.....I have to use the wealth I create for that.  If the government is creating wealth too, then they can use that money to fund their garbage programs.
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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2010, 10:50:24 PM »
Agreed.  How exactly do people think the government creates wealth?  

What the fuck are taxes for then?  I have a business.  I don't get tax money to fund my projects.....I have to use the wealth I create for that.  If the government is creating wealth too, then they can use that money to fund their garbage programs.

I suppose you don't have to use roads or the postal service or phones and the infra-structure in general to help run your business. Why you could move your business to the middle of a forest in the middle of nowhere and it would work just as well.

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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2010, 05:57:12 AM »
I suppose you don't have to use roads or the postal service or phones and the infra-structure in general to help run your business. Why you could move your business to the middle of a forest in the middle of nowhere and it would work just as well.

We pay gas taxes to fund roads remember?   Both State and Federal.  Where has all the money gone?       

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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #31 on: October 25, 2010, 06:46:42 AM »
Remember who has had control of the congress since 2007 folks.   It is going to be a joyous day to get rid of this disaster. 


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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #32 on: October 25, 2010, 07:06:56 AM »
I suppose you don't have to use roads or the postal service or phones and the infra-structure in general to help run your business. Why you could move your business to the middle of a forest in the middle of nowhere and it would work just as well.

This is same old weak argument, most if not all don't have a problem with paying taxes for the above things, its the African Ball washing campaigns and other outright fucking waste of tax payer money that gets people pissed off.
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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #33 on: October 25, 2010, 07:07:56 AM »

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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #34 on: October 25, 2010, 10:37:18 AM »
BUMP for a left wing rebuttal. 

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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2010, 11:24:21 AM »
 2) President Obama raised taxes, which hurt the economy.Reality: Obama cut taxes. 40% of the “stimulus” was wasted on tax cuts which only create debt, which is why it was so much less effective than it could have been.


This is a liberal lie.Tax rates have not been reduced AT ALL under Obama.Obama gave tax rebates that ammounted to 13 dollars a week.A liberal lie.

4) The stimulus didn’t work.Reality: The stimulus worked, but was not enough. In fact, according to the Congressional Budget Office, the stimulus raised employment by between 1.4 million and 3.3 million jobs.

A lie.We have lost 3 million jobs SINCE the stimulus was passed.It has created ZERO jobs as UE rates contimue to go up,including losing 94,000 jobs just last month.



  Eight) Government spending takes money out of the economy.Reality: Government is We, the People and the money it spends is on We, the People. Many people do not know that it is government that builds the roads, airports, ports, courts, schools and other things that are the soil in which business thrives. Many people think that all government spending is on “welfare” and “foreign aid” when that is only a small part of the government’s budget.

Government wastes money and everything they do,they do poorly.



  7) Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, is “going broke,” people live longer, fewer workers per retiree, etc.Reality: Social Security has run a surplus since it began, has a trust fund in the trillions, is completely sound for at least 25 more years and cannot legally borrow so cannot contribute to the deficit (compare that to the military budget!) Life expectancy is only longer because fewer babies die; people who reach 65 live about the same number of years as they used to.

Social security this year will take in less then it pays out for the first time in history.This is a liberal lie.



 6) Health care reform costs $1 trillion.Reality: The health care reform reduces government deficits by $138 billion.

And raise premiums and cause companies to drop health care or up the price.Super,just what we want in this economy.


 5) Businesses will hire if they get tax cuts.Reality: A business hires the right number of employees to meet demand. Having extra cash does not cause a business to hire, but a business that has a demand for what it does will find the money to hire. Businesses want customers, not tax cuts.

An absurd notion.Buisiness will hire if demand is there AND they have the revenue to hire.If they dont have the revenue they will have one employee do the job of three emloyees.Cutting corporate taxes and/or pay roll taxes will spur hiring.



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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2010, 11:28:56 AM »
This thread is the perefect example of why democrats, leftists, communists, liberals, progressives, marxists, et al are killing this nation.

They go to the voting booth so utterly ignorant of basic concepts of economics its not even funny any more.     

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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2010, 11:44:19 AM »
Inherited a f'n mess from Bush. Tough place to be.

No one forced him to spend a year and a half on health care.  This mess is on him alone. 

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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2010, 11:45:58 AM »
Inherited a f'n mess from Bush. Tough place to be.

Ah another retard that doesn't seem to understand that congress controls the money, I guess him being the Senator for IL and all he had no idea how bad it was ::)
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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2010, 01:14:10 PM »
Inherited a f'n mess from Bush. Tough place to be.

Funny,Reagan inherrited a worse economy from Carter I dont recall him bitching about Carter over and over and over again.

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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #40 on: October 25, 2010, 01:15:27 PM »
Funny,Reagan inherrited a worse economy from Carter I dont recall him bitching about Carter over and over and over again.

Where is a rebutal to my points from the Obama kneepad crew?

 

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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #41 on: October 25, 2010, 01:16:21 PM »
Funny,Reagan inherrited a worse economy from Carter I dont recall him bitching about Carter over and over and over again.

Not true at ALL.

The economy was not worse at that time... As a matter of fact... It's pretty well known that the official recession didn't start until after Carter was no longer in office.

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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #42 on: October 25, 2010, 01:32:56 PM »
Not true at ALL.

The economy was not worse at that time... As a matter of fact... It's pretty well known that the official recession didn't start until after Carter was no longer in office.

So now you are blaming the recession that occurred as he entered into office?   funny - you guys want to blame Reagan for the mess, but obama get a free pass. 

Got it.   

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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #43 on: October 25, 2010, 01:34:15 PM »
So now you are blaming the recession that occurred as he entered into office?   funny - you guys want to blame Reagan for the mess, but obama get a free pass. 

Got it.   

Woh woh... Nope.

I'm just saying the facts.

Also the recession this last time DID happen under Bush and according to economists... we are now out of under Obama.

I'm not saying any person has any real power over it... I'm just saying the facts.

Please stop with the "You guys" crap just because my truth is in fact, TRUE.

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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #44 on: October 25, 2010, 01:35:28 PM »
Woh woh... Nope.

I'm just saying the facts.

Also the recession this last time DID happen under Bush and according to economists... we are now out of under Obama.

I'm not saying any person has any real power over it... I'm just saying the facts.

Please stop with the "You guys" crap just because my truth is in fact, TRUE.

ha ha ha - out of what?     

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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #45 on: October 25, 2010, 01:36:45 PM »
In all reality the recession and subsequent recovery appears to be a lot of Paul Volkers doing during Carter/Reagan
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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #46 on: October 25, 2010, 01:37:57 PM »
ha ha ha - out of what?    

According to economists, the recession which was started under Bush was ended under obama.

Are you saying that the econs are lying to me?  Or that you have top secret economic info that we aren't out of it but everyone is keeping it under wraps?

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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #47 on: October 25, 2010, 01:39:29 PM »
Reagan did good. He DEFICIT SPENT us out of recession.  :D :D :D :D :D

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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #48 on: October 25, 2010, 01:41:21 PM »
According to economists, the recession which was started under Bush was ended under obama.

Are you saying that the econs are lying to me?  Or that you have top secret economic info that we aren't out of it but everyone is keeping it under wraps?

Do you really think the recession is over? I don't see it, just because the government spends a bunch of money and props up GDP, does not a recovery make
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Re: Eight False Things The Public "Knows" Prior To Election Day
« Reply #49 on: October 25, 2010, 01:42:55 PM »
According to economists, the recession which was started under Bush was ended under obama.

Are you saying that the econs are lying to me?  Or that you have top secret economic info that we aren't out of it but everyone is keeping it under wraps?

Yeah, if you call printing money through the Fed Reserve to artifically prop up GDP, through a devaluation of the dollar, all while we have 10% UE, as coming out of a recession, fine, have fune with it.