UFC 121 - Will Brock's Loss cause the popularity of MMA to lose momentum?

[The Showstoppa]

I remember 150lb MMA warriors stopping by the store in full tapout wear and looking for heavy bags.  I would NEVER mention the shirt, as I knew what was coming, they ALWAYS had to mention they were training for MMA somewhere in the conversation. 

Evidently punching/kicking a heavy bag in your garage is serious MMA training! Clowns...

[Jaime]

He said body, what does one's skill as a wrestler have anything to do with optimum body type for MMA? Nothing

Explain to me how being physically weak and getting put on your ass by any decnt wrestler is optimum body type.

GSP has a good build. No real weakpoints.

[spinnis]

Explain to me how being physically weak and getting put on your ass by any decnt wrestler is optimum body type.

GSP has a good build. No real weakpoints.

Im not talking about SILVA im talking about his body TYPE. Long limbs is optimal. Especialyl combined with amazing skills. (better then short limbs with equal skills)

You do realise Silva is one of the best fighters Ever even with his shitty wrestling Right?!

you know there is a reason why he havent lost in in 16 fights (not including one DQ) against GOOD opponents.

[spinnis]

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[devilsmile]

Im not talking about SILVA im talking about his body TYPE. Long limbs is optimal.

You do realise Silva is one of the best fighters Ever even with his shitty wrestling Right?!

you know there is a reason why he havent lost in in 16 fights (not including one DQ) against GOOD opponents.

tell me if I'm wrong, but silva has the best boxing in all of mma? I looked some of his highlights and his just ammazing, makes some of the opponents look like total douches who trained their cardio for nothing.

[spinnis]

tell me if I'm wrong, but silva has the best boxing in all of mma? I looked some of his highlights and his just ammazing, makes some of the opponents look like total douches who trained their cardio for nothing.

There are some former pro boxers who I guess should have better boxing per se, but Mma adapted boxing then Silva is probably on the top.

[devilsmile]

There are some former pro boxers who I guess should have better boxing per se, but Mma adapted boxing then Silva is probably on the top.

yeah taking all in consideration he has one of the best offence/difence because he has adapted boxing so well in mma... boxing in itself is fine, but it's another story to adapt it in mma world.

[The Showstoppa]

In all seriousness, i think MMA moreso than ANY other sport has a huge following of fans who have never actually participated in it.  Most other fans of sports have at least dabbled in the sport, rec leagues, hs, etc...  most MMA fans consider themselves an expert because they once sucker punched their cousin while watching MMA on tv. 
Not saying someone has to have been a professional to be knowledgeable about the sport, but in most cases it certainly helps to understand what they are really trying to do vs. what joe rogan has told you they are trying to do.

[spinnis]

In all seriousness, i think MMA moreso than ANY other sport has a huge following of fans who have never actually participated in it.  Most other fans of sports have at least dabbled in the sport, rec leagues, hs, etc...  most MMA fans consider themselves an expert because they once sucker punched their cousin while watching MMA on tv. 
Not saying someone has to have been a professional to be knowledgeable about the sport, but in most cases it certainly helps to understand what they are really trying to do vs. what joe rogan has told you they are trying to do.

I would put NFL higher up. And Nascar

[The Showstoppa]

I would put NFL higher up. And Nascar

Nah, I would say the vast majority of NFL fans in the US have at least played some football at some point. It might have been peewee at 9yrs old. haha  And everybody drives a car, so they can relate to wanting to go fast, etc...

But very, very few people have ever been in any kind of real "fight."  Obviously, you have and seem to understand how power is delivered in punches, etc... and I would say that boxing has a lot of the same type of fans who are "experts" but have no idea how to throw a punch.

[spinnis]

Nah, I would say the vast majority of NFL fans in the US have at least played some football at some point. It might have been peewee at 9yrs old. haha  And everybody drives a car, so they can relate to wanting to go fast, etc...

But very, very few people have ever been in any kind of real "fight."  Obviously, you have and seem to understand how power is delivered in punches, etc... and I would say that boxing has a lot of the same type of fans who are "experts" but have no idea how to throw a punch.

If you comapre "driving a car" to nascar, the your "because they once sucker punched their cousin while watching MMA on tv" should be enough for mma lol.

if everyone trained mma a few times at least, people wouldn't boo the groundgame. Nor would they talk so much shit about it at all.

[Lion666]

lol
the rematch will be bigger than this...

its well known in pro wrestling,,,
sometimes a loss can be better than a win in the long run

[The Showstoppa]

If you comapre "driving a car" to nascar, the your "because they once sucker punched their cousin while watching MMA on tv" should be enough for mma lol.

if everyone trained mma a few times at least, people wouldn't boo the groundgame. Nor would they talk so much shit about it at all.

I'll concede on the Nascar thing..... but you know what I'm saying because I agree with your second point.  I think that is the only thing holding it back is because a huge amount of people just can't relate....and will never be able to.

Something to think about though, I don't know if you have heard about it over there, but the NFL is cracking down on "devasting hits" and I have wondered if a lot of the fervor over taming down the NFL over the last 10-15 yrs isn't at least partly due to females becoming a huge growing part of the fanbase? 

[spinnis]

I think that is the only thing holding it back is because a huge amount of people just can't relate....and will never be able to.

thats one of the problems. and why people are thinking its gay or boring or something like that.

sugar ray leonard was at the brock vs cain event and said was Insanly impressed and said "boxing is nothing like this!" and dana said "thats wht boxing Used to be" refering to all the crowd  cheering intensity etc etc

and I can understand why poeple dont care for the ground game if they havent tried it =)

[The Showstoppa]

thats one of the problems. and why people are thinking its gay or boring or something like that.

sugar ray leonard was at the brock vs cain event and said was Insanly impressed and said "boxing is nothing like this!" and dana said "thats wht boxing Used to be" refering to all the crowd  cheering intensity etc etc

and I can understand why poeple dont care for the ground game if they havent tried it =)

I remember Dana saying something about how fighting or especially wanting to see others fight is just such a huge part of our makeup.  His example is that go to ANY sports event and let a fight break out and watch people turn away from the action to watch it.....and he is correct.  We all do it.

[BIG_STI]

even I have to admit this is fucking hillarious lol.

It's the new run and roll escape

[spinnis]

I remember Dana saying something about how fighting or especially wanting to see others fight is just such a huge part of our makeup.  His example is that go to ANY sports event and let a fight break out and watch people turn away from the action to watch it.....and he is correct.  We all do it.

When its exciting Everyone wants to watch.. Most poeple dont understand that it can be equally as exciting on the ground though (because they havent tried) =)

[Rami]

Im not talking about SILVA im talking about his body TYPE. Long limbs is optimal. Especialyl combined with amazing skills. (better then short limbs with equal skills)

You do realise Silva is one of the best fighters Ever even with his shitty wrestling Right?!

you know there is a reason why he havent lost in in 16 fights (not including one DQ) against GOOD opponents.

Fedor and Cain both have very short legs and arms. That's why they can punch harder and faster.

[che]

Fedor and Cain both have very short legs and arms. That's why they can punch harder and faster.

Hahaa

[BM OUT]

Dana White must have puked after Brock lost.Can you imagine a boring idiot with BROWN PRIDE on his chest is now the champion?I cant wait to see the buy rate on his next Pay Per View trying to sell Velaquez as a draw.

[Jaime]

Im not talking about SILVA im talking about his body TYPE. Long limbs is optimal. Especialyl combined with amazing skills. (better then short limbs with equal skills)

You do realise Silva is one of the best fighters Ever even with his shitty wrestling Right?!

you know there is a reason why he havent lost in in 16 fights (not including one DQ) against GOOD opponents.

There is no such thing as an ideal bodytype. But playing along, given the fact that silva lacks physical strength and wrestling ability, i certainly wouldn't put him near the top. As i said GSP is very well rounded, he has fluid striking, great strength and wrestling and is quick. He lacks power but that has jack to do with bodytype.

Silva is a good fighter but he didn't do much in boxing and is very reluctant to participate in k-1 so it is hard to evaluate his striking on the elite level. Although it's obvious that he has improved considerably since back in the day.

You could get 6 month novices that would tool guys like Forest standing.



And no Brock losing is not going to affect mma's popularity. If anything having a Mexican heavyweight as the top guy will boost it.

[Darren Avey]

When boxing gets a heavyweight with charisma and excitment then MMA will die right down again.

[OneMoreRep]

Drinking youranother man's urine in the morning so you don't miss out on the nutrients (Machida)

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[spinnis]

There is no such thing as an ideal bodytype. But playing along, given the fact that silva lacks physical strength and wrestling ability, i certainly wouldn't put him near the top. As i said GSP is very well rounded, he has fluid striking, great strength and wrestling and is quick. He lacks power but that has jack to do with bodytype.

Silva is a good fighter but he didn't do much in boxing and is very reluctant to participate in k-1 so it is hard to evaluate his striking on the elite level. Although it's obvious that he has improved considerably since back in the day.

You could get 6 month novices that would tool guys like Forest standing.



And no Brock losing is not going to affect mma's popularity. If anything having a Mexican heavyweight as the top guy will boost it.

I think its ideal. Silva's body and Jon bones jones body. you can dissagree if you want to no problem.



And thats a good point which I forgot to mention. This is a win win situation for UFC: People Will tune in when brock makes his comback AND this will draw in a SHITLOAD of new mexican fans.

[Jaime]

I think its ideal. Silva's body and Jon bones jones body. you can dissagree if you want to no problem.



And thats a good point which I forgot to mention. This is a win win situation for UFC: People Will tune in when brock makes his comback AND this will draw in a SHITLOAD of new mexican fans.

First guy of mexican descent to hold a heavyweight title in a combat sport apparently.

Dana looked pissed post fight, probably because of the maner of the defeat as much as anything.

Makes Brock and the recent hype a bit of a hard sell but i think he will retain his numbers anyway. Shit Kimbo used to get huge numbers and it wasn't exactly performance related.