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Re: Will Brock's Loss cause the popularity of MMA to lose momentum?
« Reply #75 on: October 25, 2010, 11:01:06 AM »

First guy of mexican descent to hold a heavyweight title in a combat sport apparently.

Dana looked pissed post fight, probably because of the maner of the defeat as much as anything.

Makes Brock and the recent hype a bit of a hard sell but i think he will retain his numbers anyway. Shit Kimbo used to get huge numbers and it wasn't exactly performance related.

about 3 weeks leading up to this fight dana and lesnarhad apaprently been fighting like crazy over something also

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« Reply #76 on: October 25, 2010, 03:56:14 PM »
When boxing gets a heavyweight with charisma and excitment then MMA will die right down again.

You can't possibly see an MMA thread without sticking in something about boxing being better can you?  5 tears from now MMA will be so much bigger than boxing there won't even be a valid comparison.  Right now, if you asked 1000 people off the street to name as many current UFC fighters as they can vs as many current boxers as they can, the comparison wouldn't even be close.  Ask how boxing matches they have watched in the last year vs how many UFCs they have watched, same thing.

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« Reply #77 on: October 25, 2010, 07:36:40 PM »
You can't possibly see an MMA thread without sticking in something about boxing being better can you?  5 tears from now MMA will be so much bigger than boxing there won't even be a valid comparison.  Right now, if you asked 1000 people off the street to name as many current UFC fighters as they can vs as many current boxers as they can, the comparison wouldn't even be close.  Ask how boxing matches they have watched in the last year vs how many UFCs they have watched, same thing.

It's no coincidence that MMA pretty much ignores the sport of boxing and feels no need to make comparisons or constantly claim who is tougher than whom. They readily admit they would have no chance with a boxer fighting under boxing rules. Nor do they wish boxing will die out. No reason why the sports can't coexist. It's the boxing guys that are always making the comparisons and predicting the demise of MMA.

It's obvious who is feeling threatened here.


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Re: UFC 121 - Will Brock's Loss cause the popularity of MMA to lose momentum?
« Reply #78 on: October 27, 2010, 07:30:02 AM »
You can't possibly see an MMA thread without sticking in something about boxing being better can you?  5 tears from now MMA will be so much bigger than boxing there won't even be a valid comparison.  Right now, if you asked 1000 people off the street to name as many current UFC fighters as they can vs as many current boxers as they can, the comparison wouldn't even be close.  Ask how boxing matches they have watched in the last year vs how many UFCs they have watched, same thing.

You think if you asked 1000 people on the street more could name an MMAer than a boxer!!Guess all those years working in the rough clubs of the Phoenix ghetto have screwed your mind!
5 years from now MMA will be less popular than now as the fad is dieing and boxing will have a superstar HW champ. I m willing to bet you $1000 on this.

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« Reply #79 on: October 27, 2010, 07:30:52 AM »
It's no coincidence that MMA pretty much ignores the sport of boxing and feels no need to make comparisons or constantly claim who is tougher than whom. They readily admit they would have no chance with a boxer fighting under boxing rules. Nor do they wish boxing will die out. No reason why the sports can't coexist. It's the boxing guys that are always making the comparisons and predicting the demise of MMA.

It's obvious who is feeling threatened here.



There must be some Gracie kid on the way up?

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Re: UFC 121 - Will Brock's Loss cause the popularity of MMA to lose momentum?
« Reply #80 on: October 27, 2010, 02:07:18 PM »
You think if you asked 1000 people on the street more could name an MMAer than a boxer!!Guess all those years working in the rough clubs of the Phoenix ghetto have screwed your mind!
5 years from now MMA will be less popular than now as the fad is dieing and boxing will have a superstar HW champ. I m willing to bet you $1000 on this.

I said current boxers, not Mike Tyson, Ali, Foreman, the other household names.  Most people off the street couldn't name more than 3 current boxers, and probably in most cases, they couldn't name one.  Everyone knows more MMA fighters than that now.  If I thought you had $1000 I'd take the bet on whether MMA will be less popular.  As for whether there will be a good HW boxer, if there is, it will be about fuckin' time.  There hasn't been a household name HW since Tyson.

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« Reply #81 on: October 27, 2010, 02:14:32 PM »
You think if you asked 1000 people on the street more could name an MMAer than a boxer!!Guess all those years working in the rough clubs of the Phoenix ghetto have screwed your mind!
5 years from now MMA will be less popular than now as the fad is dieing and boxing will have a superstar HW champ. I m willing to bet you $1000 on this.

I would imagine that it depends where you live. In Hawaii it isn't even close. People here follow Pacman like their own shadow but it's not only because of his star power but also the strong Filipino culture in Hawai. But MMA rules here. In the gyms here, the health clubs not fighting gyms, I always hear MMA talk and never boxing. At work, after Lesnar lost, the old boxing/MMA debate came up. It wasn't so bad because these were just casual fans and since the Lesnar invincibility was gone  it was just harmless speculation. Problem was, nobody, including myself I'm ashamed to say, could name the current heavyweight boxing champ.

I was at Border's in the mall a few days ago and went to check out the magazines. In the sport sections everyone had one of the what must now a be a half dozen MMA mag in their hand. The boxing and (thankfully) bodybuilding mags remained untouched and in pristine condition. Coincidently, a fight broke out just outside near the food court. I'm always amazed how much street fighting has changed. No more looping swings and mindless brawling. I saw knees, leg kicks, elbows combinations, attempted take downs. Even the coaching from their respective supporters showed the MMA influence. These guys were evenly matched and they fought to exhaustion and just quit by mutual agreement. People who have never been in a real fight don't realize how important conditioning is and no matter how tough you are when you lose your wind you lose your will. So these mokes just walked off still yelling insults at each other. When one yelled, while walking away still sucking wind, "Any time, brah! Any time you like scrap, brah! Any time!" And the other guy, also still exhausted, is yelling back, "Whatevas, brah! Time and place I'm there."

 I just kind of laughed. I was thinking, "Um, how about, like, now. I mean, you're both here and you are fighting." But still it's always good to see that unlike on the mainland, everyone just lets them fight. No one calls security. No police. No one jumps in. No guns or knives. Still unconsciously observing the unspoken rules of fair combat culturally ingrained in them and set down generations ago based on pride and honor.

I have to get a real cell phone that can take videos and start recording this shit.
  

 

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Re: UFC 121 - Will Brock's Loss cause the popularity of MMA to lose momentum?
« Reply #82 on: October 27, 2010, 02:24:46 PM »
There must be some Gracie kid on the way up?

There's always going to be a Gracie out there. Rorion's second youngest son, Ralek Gracie, whom I've know since he was just a baby, just beat Sakuraba some months ago, but the days of a Gracie dynasty is long gone. Physically and athletically they are not gifted. Other than Rickson (who is rumored to have a bit of the neegrow gene in him) now of them strike me as physically and athletically impressive. In the elite ranks of any sport every bit of an advantage, no matter how small, can be the difference between winning and losing.

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« Reply #83 on: October 27, 2010, 03:15:25 PM »
I said current boxers, not Mike Tyson, Ali, Foreman, the other household names.  Most people off the street couldn't name more than 3 current boxers, and probably in most cases, they couldn't name one.  Everyone knows more MMA fighters than that now.  If I thought you had $1000 I'd take the bet on whether MMA will be less popular.  As for whether there will be a good HW boxer, if there is, it will be about fuckin' time.  There hasn't been a household name HW since Tyson.
Maybe it's different where I'm at but everywhere I go some tool or kid has some sort of mma shirt on.


Hell I was at walmart earlier buying sum halloween candy and I saw a bunch of affliction and tap out gear.

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Re: UFC 121 - Will Brock's Loss cause the popularity of MMA to lose momentum?
« Reply #84 on: October 27, 2010, 03:17:16 PM »
Maybe it's different where I'm at but everywhere I go some tool or kid has some sort of mma shirt on.


Hell I was at walmart earlier buying sum halloween candy and I saw a bunch of affliction and tap out gear.

Did you rear-naked choke any of the little bastards?

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« Reply #85 on: October 27, 2010, 03:19:28 PM »
Maybe it's different where I'm at but everywhere I go some tool or kid has some sort of mma shirt on.


Hell I was at walmart earlier buying sum halloween candy and I saw a bunch of affliction and tap out gear.

It isn't different there....its the same everywhere.

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« Reply #86 on: October 27, 2010, 03:34:28 PM »
Did you rear-naked choke any of the little bastards?
;D


It isn't different there....its the same everywhere.
Thing is........ I never see anyone wearing some sort of boxing shirt.


Though I do meet a lot of guys that claim to be golden glove boxers ;D



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« Reply #87 on: October 27, 2010, 03:39:46 PM »
;D

Thing is........ I never see anyone wearing some sort of boxing shirt.


Though I do meet a lot of guys that claim to be golden glove boxers ;D




I'm gonna start asking strangers on the street to name both.  I'll report my results.  Of course Avey will too, but he'll make his up and everyone he asked knows the name of 40 current boxers but they have never heard of Chuck Lidell.

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« Reply #88 on: October 29, 2010, 10:22:41 AM »
I asked people at work, i work in a big office building. No im not the cleaner!  8) i was surprised how many knew of Lesnar, Fedor, GSP and Michael Bisping(this being England and he being our top UFCer) and current boxers they knew Pacman, Floyd, David Haye, Audley Harrison.

Some people thought Mike Tyson was still HW champ!  ::)

So yes you re right MMA will overtake boxing soon. I accept that now BUT i still think if a Tyson like HW comes along boxing will get huge again and i can imagine the debates and demand for him to enter te UFC!

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« Reply #89 on: October 29, 2010, 01:52:21 PM »
I asked people at work, i work in a big office building. No im not the cleaner!  8) i was surprised how many knew of Lesnar, Fedor, GSP and Michael Bisping(this being England and he being our top UFCer) and current boxers they knew Pacman, Floyd, David Haye, Audley Harrison.

Some people thought Mike Tyson was still HW champ!  ::)

So yes you re right MMA will overtake boxing soon. I accept that now BUT i still think if a Tyson like HW comes along boxing will get huge again and i can imagine the debates and demand for him to enter te UFC!

Impressive post. You show good character. I don't see why the sports can't coexists. It's not a zero sum game where if you watch MMA you don't watch boxing. But you're right. Personalities makes a big difference. I don't really follow boxing as a sport but I followed the personalities and watch their fights. Guys like De La Hoya, Mayweather, Pacquiao and of course Tyson when he was active.

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« Reply #90 on: October 29, 2010, 02:06:44 PM »
I asked people at work, i work in a big office building. No im not the cleaner!  8) i was surprised how many knew of Lesnar, Fedor, GSP and Michael Bisping(this being England and he being our top UFCer) and current boxers they knew Pacman, Floyd, David Haye, Audley Harrison.

Some people thought Mike Tyson was still HW champ!  ::)

So yes you re right MMA will overtake boxing soon. I accept that now BUT i still think if a Tyson like HW comes along boxing will get huge again and i can imagine the debates and demand for him to enter te UFC!

I'm glad you finally admitted it.  Anyway, we agree on one thing.  Boxing needs a good HW.  After Tyson was done, I pretty much quit even watching boxing and I loved it before.  I don't even know who Haye and Harrison are.  The other thing that really hurt boxing is too many weight classes and too many federations.  It doesn't mean shit to say you are the champion if there are 6 other champions in the same weight class.  As Pellius says, if you could get a good HW back in boxing, both sports could thrive.  MMA is my thing, but I loved boxing too back in the glory days.  I would love to see that happen again.