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« Reply #50 on: October 26, 2010, 08:12:29 AM »



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« Reply #51 on: October 26, 2010, 08:13:07 AM »
C-SPAN Demands Democrats Open Secret Health Reform Talks
By Doug Heye

Posted: January 5, 2010
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By Doug Heye, Thomas Jefferson Street blog

If there is one institution in Washington whose integrity is unquestioned, it is C-SPAN. The network calls it straight down the middle by not calling it at all, and is treated with the same respect by Democrats, Republicans, and independents that it treats the Democrats, Republicans, and independents who call in every morning. From gavel-to-gavel coverage of the House of Representatives and the United States Senate, uninterrupted coverage of important congressional hearings and airing of various political press conferences and seminars, C-SPAN provides an important service to every American voter—bringing your government to you and providing the sunshine open government necessitates.

Unfortunately, the network can cover only those congressional meetings held in the public. Voters hoping to follow the process of the House and Senate working out the differences of their respective healthcare reform bills are left in the dark. C-SPAN will not be covering the House-Senate conference on the legislation because there will not be any such conference. As reported by the Associated Press, Congressional Quarterly, USA Today, the Washington Post, and, not insignificantly, Peter Roff with U.S. News & World Report, House and Senate Democrats will negotiate the legislation in private, far away from the prying eyes of Capitol Hill Republicans and far away from prying cameras.

Enter C-SPAN.

In a December 30 letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, and House Minority Leader John Boehner, C-SPAN Chairman and CEO Brian Lamb formally requested that congressional leaders open up the healthcare negotiations to the media.

"President Obama, Senate and House leaders, many of your rank-and-file members, and the nation's editorial pages have all talked about the value of transparent discussions on reforming the nation's health care system," Lamb wrote. "Now that the process moves to the critical stage of reconciliation between the Chambers, we respectfully request that you allow the public full access, through television, to legislation that will affect the lives of every single American."

That Democrats want to work on the bill in secret is no surprise. Poll after poll has shown the legislation to be wildly unpopular with voters and we all saw what happened when everyday Americans had the opportunity to voice their opinion to their elected officials during the August recess—bedlam.

"No one knows what goes on behind closed doors," country singer Charlie Rich reminded us in his 1973 hit song.

So far, that's where things stand with the final negotiations of the healthcare legislation, just as it had for much of the issue's legislative journey. Even while Reid declared in November that transparency is "one of the guiding principles of health insurance reform," Democrats sought to work out the final details of the bill in secret and rush a new bill through before the American people know what hit them.

Republicans, all too familiar to being locked out by Democrats, aren't holding their breath—and Lamb's letter has yet to receive a reply. C-SPAN's open call for full transparency is a highly unusual move for a media organization that steadfastly refuses to take sides, demonstrating how far Democrats have gone in cloaking the healthcare bill with more secrecy than even the Washington Wizards locker room.

It also boxes the Democrats in—it will be awfully hard for any Democrat to accuse C-SPAN of being the research arm of the Republican Party.

http://politics.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/doug-heye/2010/01/05/c-span-demands-democrats-open-secret-health-reform-talks


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Re: Obama Urges Hispanics to Punish "Enemies," Vote Democratic.
« Reply #52 on: October 26, 2010, 08:21:18 AM »
GOP Decries Obama Strategy For Health Care Summit And Calls For Starting Over
Christina Bellantoni | February 15, 2010, 10:

The invitations had barely landed in Congressional inboxes before Republican leadership started calling President Obama's upcoming White House health care summit a "backroom deal."

The Obama administration's invitation to the Feb. 25 summit informs members that text of a "proposed health insurance reform package" will be posted online before the meeting. A White House official tells TPMDC that the text will be the product of the discussions that have been ongoing between the House and Senate since each chamber passed their bills last year.

That's the sticking point for the GOP, who say Obama is inviting them to a meeting but doesn't really want their ideas if he already has a draft bill.

"A productive bipartisan discussion should begin with a clean sheet of paper," Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) said in a statement this weekend.

Boehner said it's clear from the invitation that Obama and Democratic leaders "intend to arrive with a new bill written behind closed doors exclusively by Democrats," a charge the administration says is nonsense.

"They will then engage a largely handpicked audience in a televised 'dialogue' according to a script they have largely pre-determined," Boehner said.

He added: "They will do this as a precursor to embarking on a legislative course that Democratic congressional aides acknowledge has also been pre-determined -- a partisan course that relies on parliamentary tricks to circumvent the will of the American people and engineer a pre-determined outcome. It doesn't sound much like bipartisanship to me."

We asked Boehner's office if this means he'll decline the invitation but we haven't heard back.

The minority leader also pointed Obama to the Republican health care plan, which you can read here.

White House aides referred us back to Obama's comments about continuing to seek bipartisanship at his impromptu press conference last week, and added the letter "lays out pretty clearly that we want both sides to bring ideas."

For his part, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) said his party wants to consult with Obama's team on the best format for the meeting.

He took a different message from Obama's invitation.

"While the American people have already rejected the health spending bills pending in Congress, today it appears the President has heard their calls to scrap the 2,700-page, partisan bill and start over," McConnell said in a statement.

He said Republicans are offering a "step-by-step approach that Americans are calling for," and added that the bill Obama is considering is partisan and "devoid of support from the American people" and has "diminished faith in this government's capacity to listen."

"Let us not make the same mistake twice. We will consult with the White House about the proposed format and topics in order to maximize the effectiveness of the meeting," McConnell said.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/02/obama-asks-gop-to-bring-health-care-ideas-but-they-say-no-lets-start-with-clean-sheet-of-paper.php

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Re: Obama Urges Hispanics to Punish "Enemies," Vote Democratic.
« Reply #53 on: October 26, 2010, 08:25:01 AM »
you're joking right.

the stim bill included 30-40% of tax cuts as the Repubs wanted and they still voted against it yet somehow that didn't stop the very same Repubs from taking Stim $'s

the healthcare bill was a watered down compromise to try to appeal to the wishes of the few Repubs who would vote for it and yet they still got no Repub support

Repubs represent the interest of large corporations against the interest of the majority of Americans.....period



What tax cuts were in the stimulus bill?I havent seen tax rates go down by one percent since Obama took over.

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« Reply #54 on: October 26, 2010, 09:20:03 AM »
What tax cuts were in the stimulus bill?I havent seen tax rates go down by one percent since Obama took over.

http://www.economicstimulusdetails.com/tax-cuts.html

Billy - since you think Obama is a racist and have used that claim as justification for your own admitted racism (not to mention that you like to call his wife a fat tranny)  do you think it's legitimate to characterize you as an enemy?

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« Reply #55 on: October 26, 2010, 10:05:08 AM »
http://www.economicstimulusdetails.com/tax-cuts.html

Billy - since you think Obama is a racist and have used that claim as justification for your own admitted racism (not to mention that you like to call his wife a fat tranny)  do you think it's legitimate to characterize you as an enemy?

Obama is a racist and if the last few weeks don't convince you of that, let alone the hundreds of other examples, nothing will convince you. 

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« Reply #56 on: October 27, 2010, 11:40:18 AM »
Obama is a racist and if the last few weeks don't convince you of that, let alone the hundreds of other examples, nothing will convince you. 

I will again not jump on the "racist" bandwagon... If Angle isn't then this isn't...

However, I find this divisive speech absolutely disgusting and Obama should be fucking ashamed for using speech that calls other citizens of this country "enemies" for believing what they believe.

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« Reply #57 on: October 27, 2010, 11:42:09 AM »
I will again not jump on the "racist" bandwagon... If Angle isn't then this isn't...

However, I find this divisive speech absolutely disgusting and Obama should be fucking ashamed for using speech that calls other citizens of this country "enemies" for believing what they believe.

We are now in a cycle of escalating crap like this and it seems that being 'moderate" or level headed is not going to get any traction. 

My only point is that its not only the right wing doing this.   

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« Reply #58 on: October 27, 2010, 11:42:30 AM »
All the dealings I have with legal immigrants, they just as and in some cases more so against illegal immigration. Don't know what Obama thinks he is going to accomplish with this.
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« Reply #59 on: October 27, 2010, 11:46:34 AM »
All the dealings I have with legal immigrants, they just as and in some cases more so against illegal immigration. Don't know what Obama thinks he is going to accomplish with this.

 x 100. 

If i were a legal immigrant and having gone through the proper legal channel;s heard this crap - i would be livid. 

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« Reply #60 on: October 27, 2010, 11:47:25 AM »
All the dealings I have with legal immigrants, they just as and in some cases more so against illegal immigration. Don't know what Obama thinks he is going to accomplish with this.

I agree... Legals who have gone through the process can't stand an illegal immigrant.

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« Reply #61 on: October 27, 2010, 06:28:20 PM »
Man it's still inspiring the way Obama is uniting the nation ::)

Tell me about it.  Sounds like he learned a lot from Chicago politics. 

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« Reply #62 on: October 27, 2010, 07:41:08 PM »
No president in U.S. history has ever referred to those who oppose his agenda as enemies. No U.S. president has ever called fellow American citizens the enemy for having a different view and opinion.

No president will ever have the full support of every American on every issue, doesn't happen won't ever happen but the president is still responsible for holding up the symbolism of unity among the people, responsible for representing the American people as a whole, not simply "his friends."

Obama has once again, and perhaps in a stronger manner than ever before, once again proved he despises what it means to be the United States.

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« Reply #63 on: October 27, 2010, 08:03:21 PM »
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« Reply #64 on: October 27, 2010, 08:06:12 PM »
Just about EVERYBODY hates illegals...

Some just pander to them for their own reasons (potential dem votes, cheap labor, etc)

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« Reply #65 on: October 28, 2010, 06:39:30 AM »
Obama Urges Hispanics to Punish "Enemies," Vote Democratic
American Spectator ^ | 10.25.10 @ 4:11PM | By W. James Antle, III




President Obama is trying to use "comprehensive immigration reform" to whip up Hispanic turnout next week...

"....if Latinos sit out the election instead of saying, we're gonna punish our enemies and we're gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us, if they don't see that kind of upsurge in voting in this election, then I think it's gonna be harder - and that's why I think it's so important that people focus on voting on November 2," [Obama] said.....

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...


Obama is a racist. That is a hell of a president we got. Using race to bait a few more votes. This is the same fool that many touted would bring the nation together.

Billy is right. Obama hates white people.

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« Reply #66 on: October 28, 2010, 06:43:52 AM »
Obama is a racist. That is a hell of a president we got. Using race to bait a few more votes. This is the same fool that many touted would bring the nation together.

Billy is right. Obama hates white people.

Go read  DSouzas book.  Yes he does hate whites. 

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« Reply #67 on: October 28, 2010, 07:41:23 AM »
Just about EVERYBODY hates illegals...

Some just pander to them for their own reasons (potential dem votes, cheap labor, etc)

For centuries, many native born have hated immigrants, legal or illegal, even if those immigrants are the same race and color as the haters.  Have you watched Gangs of New York?   :)

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« Reply #68 on: October 28, 2010, 07:43:40 AM »
Hispanics who immigrated from Socialist or Communist countries, such as Cuba and Venezuela, dislike Obama very very much and view him with much suspicion.  

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« Reply #69 on: October 28, 2010, 07:46:18 AM »
Hispanics who immigrated from Socialist or Communists countries, such as Cuba and Venezuela, dislike Obama very very much and view him with much suspicion. 

Wonder why? 

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« Reply #70 on: October 28, 2010, 07:51:51 AM »
Hispanics who immigrated from Socialist or Communist countries, such as Cuba and Venezuela, dislike Obama very very much and view him with much suspicion. 

I'm only speaking for Hispanics.  I bet the same is probably true for Asian immigrants from China, Cambodia, Vietnam, etc.

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« Reply #71 on: October 28, 2010, 08:03:33 AM »
I'm only speaking for Hispanics.  I bet the same is probably true for Asian immigrants from China, Cambodia, Vietnam, etc.

Ha ha ha - i was being sarcastic. 

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« Reply #72 on: October 28, 2010, 08:59:06 AM »
No president in U.S. history has ever referred to those who oppose his agenda as enemies. No U.S. president has ever called fellow American citizens the enemy for having a different view and opinion.

No president will ever have the full support of every American on every issue, doesn't happen won't ever happen but the president is still responsible for holding up the symbolism of unity among the people, responsible for representing the American people as a whole, not simply "his friends."

Obama has once again, and perhaps in a stronger manner than ever before, once again proved he despises what it means to be the United States.

This in itself should be enough ammunition to finish Obama off, my fear is that the Repubs will find a way to screw it up or not use his own words against him. As far as I am concerned the POTUS has declared me his enemy.
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« Reply #73 on: October 28, 2010, 09:03:34 AM »
This in itself should be enough ammunition to finish Obama off, my fear is that the Repubs will find a way to screw it up or not use his own words against him. As far as I am concerned the POTUS has declared me his enemy.

I have the same fear...if we elect a bunch of Rhino's we're screwed. I do believe there will be a large number of good candidates elected Tues. but I'm not convinced American's have fully woken up yet.

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« Reply #74 on: October 28, 2010, 09:03:53 AM »
Ha ha ha - i was being sarcastic. 

I know!  Sorry I quoted you.  I meant to quote myself and add to my previous post.