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Religious demands rise in French state schools
Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:25am GMT Print | Single Page [-] Text


By Tom Heneghan, Religion Editor

PARIS (Reuters) - Muslim pupils and parents in France are increasingly making religious demands on the state school system that teachers should rebuff by explaining the country's secular principles, according to an official report.

The High Council for Integration (HCI) reported growing problems with pupils of immigrant backgrounds who object to courses about the Holocaust, the Crusades or evolution, demand halal meals and "reject French culture and its values."

"It is becoming difficult for teachers to resist religious pressures," said the report, published in draft form by the newspaper Journal du Dimanche over the weekend. The final report will be presented to the government next month.

"We should now reaffirm secularism and train teachers how to deal with specific problems linked to the respect for this principle," it said.

France's strict separation of church and state relegates religion to the private sphere, an approach challenged by a growing Islamic identity among some of the five million Muslims in the country's 65 million population.

HCI President Patrick Gaubert told the newspaper his agency decided to study how pupils from immigrant backgrounds adapted to the state school system because "this is at the heart of the challenges that French society must face."

The report, which studied a wide range of issues faced by pupils of immigrant backgrounds, gave no figures for the extent of problems linked to religion but said they came up so often in the hearings the HCI conducted that they merited attention.

REFUSING CLASSES, DEMANDING HALAL

Teachers often faced objections when they taught courses about world religions, the Holocaust or France's war in Algeria, or discussed events related to Israel and the Palestinians or American military actions in Muslim countries, the study said.

"Teachers regularly find that Muslim parents refuse to have their children learn about Christianity," it said. "Some think it amounts to evangelisation."

"Anti-Semitism ... surfaces during courses about the Holocaust, such as inappropriate jokes and refusals to watch films" about Nazi concentration camps, it said. "Tensions often come from pupils who identify themselves as Muslims."


Teachers found they could discuss the trans-atlantic slave trade but met criticism from pupils when they brought up the history of slavery within Africa or in the Middle East.

Reflecting the promotion of anti-Darwinist thinking in Muslim countries, "evolution is challenged by pupils who posit divine or creationist action without any argument for it."

In some areas with large immigrant populations, many pupils shun school cafeterias for religious reasons, even though most offer alternative dishes when pork is on the menu.

"Demand for halal menus is strong, even for the very young in public crèches," it said. "In some cities, there are petitions for halal -- and sometimes kosher -- meals."

The report stressed the state could allow alternatives to pork but could not allow halal or kosher meals because the price for ritually slaughtered meat included a tax paid to religious organisations that certify the food was properly prepared.

"The school cannot, in this sense, participate in the religious education of its pupils or conform to principles that it does not recognise," the report said.

France allows private religious schools and the number of Jewish schools has risen in recent years. There are few Muslim schools and most parents would have difficulty paying tuition.

PHILOSOPHICAL UPHEAVAL

During Ramadan, some Muslim pupils harass others who don't observe the annual daytime fast, it said. Boys who identify themselves as Muslims and reject French values harass girls who do well in class as "collaborators" with the "dirty French."

Some girls ask to be excused from gymnasium or pool sessions because they are not supposed to mix with boys, it added.

The report said French schools must insist on co-education, equal rights and mutual respect. "Being a French citizen means accepting challenges to one's opinions ... this is the price to pay for the freedom of opinion and expression.

"Must we recall that the crime of blasphemy has not existed in France since the French Revolution?" it asked.

"The principle of secularism leads to a profound relativisation of religion. This is a philosophical upheaval that religions only consent to with difficulty," it said.

(Editing by Tim Pearce)

http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFTRE69O19720101025?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0&sp=true

These Muslims can't seem to grasp the concept that France is a secular nation (as dictated in their constitution). This is just another example of the ever-growing list of demands made by Muslims as a result of the West's placating extremists. Why don't they fuck off back to the countries they came from if they want to change what is taught in school? Iran just banned a bunch of subjects for being "too Western" so these people should considering going there to rot what's left of their brains.

Can't help but laugh at the ticking time bomb that is a result of Europe's idiotic policies over the last few decades.


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BF, you know the reason they don't go back to their shitholes is because 1)they enjoy all the modern things the west offers, whether they want to admit it or not and 2) because I think they want to continue to spread the cancer known as islam throughout the world.

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The report, which studied a wide range of issues faced by pupils of immigrant backgrounds, gave no figures for the extent of problems linked to religion but said they came up so often in the hearings the HCI conducted that they merited attention.

REFUSING CLASSES, DEMANDING HALAL

Teachers often faced objections when they taught courses about world religions, the Holocaust or France's war in Algeria, or discussed events related to Israel and the Palestinians or American military actions in Muslim countries, the study said.

"Teachers regularly find that Muslim parents refuse to have their children learn about Christianity," it said. "Some think it amounts to evangelisation."

"Anti-Semitism ... surfaces during courses about the Holocaust, such as inappropriate jokes and refusals to watch films" about Nazi concentration camps, it said. "Tensions often come from pupils who identify themselves as Muslims."

Teachers found they could discuss the trans-atlantic slave trade but met criticism from pupils when they brought up the history of slavery within Africa or in the Middle East.




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Plus if they went back to their countries would they be able to protest and demand all these things as if if everyone else owes them?
Btw what do muslims teach in their schools about the taliban or those who kill innocents?
They should just stfu and if they don't like a country they don't originate from and they can't integrate they can go back to wherever they think they belong.

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BF, you know the reason they don't go back to their shitholes is because 1)they enjoy all the modern things the west offers, whether they want to admit it or not and 2) because I think they want to continue to spread the cancer known as islam throughout the world.

Yup, you're 100% correct. And with regards to the spread of Islam, they're just doing what the Koran commands them to. Of course, the apologists and leftists who paint anyone who points that out as a bigot will never admit that.

Where's kcballer and that twat Samson to tell us how accepting Muslims are of other religious groups, despite the mountain of evidence that says otherwise?  ::)

I find it hilarious that France is deporting gypsies while these people are doing more to destroy everything that country stands for than the gypsies ever could. Ahh, the power of the Arab oil lobby.

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Religious demands rise in French state schools
Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:25am GMT Print | Single Page [-] Text


By Tom Heneghan, Religion Editor

PARIS (Reuters) - Muslim pupils and parents in France are increasingly making religious demands on the state school system that teachers should rebuff by explaining the country's secular principles, according to an official report.

The High Council for Integration (HCI) reported growing problems with pupils of immigrant backgrounds who object to courses about the Holocaust, the Crusades or evolution, demand halal meals and "reject French culture and its values."

"It is becoming difficult for teachers to resist religious pressures," said the report, published in draft form by the newspaper Journal du Dimanche over the weekend. The final report will be presented to the government next month.

"We should now reaffirm secularism and train teachers how to deal with specific problems linked to the respect for this principle," it said.

France's strict separation of church and state relegates religion to the private sphere, an approach challenged by a growing Islamic identity among some of the five million Muslims in the country's 65 million population.

HCI President Patrick Gaubert told the newspaper his agency decided to study how pupils from immigrant backgrounds adapted to the state school system because "this is at the heart of the challenges that French society must face."

The report, which studied a wide range of issues faced by pupils of immigrant backgrounds, gave no figures for the extent of problems linked to religion but said they came up so often in the hearings the HCI conducted that they merited attention.

REFUSING CLASSES, DEMANDING HALAL

Teachers often faced objections when they taught courses about world religions, the Holocaust or France's war in Algeria, or discussed events related to Israel and the Palestinians or American military actions in Muslim countries, the study said.

"Teachers regularly find that Muslim parents refuse to have their children learn about Christianity," it said. "Some think it amounts to evangelisation."

"Anti-Semitism ... surfaces during courses about the Holocaust, such as inappropriate jokes and refusals to watch films" about Nazi concentration camps, it said. "Tensions often come from pupils who identify themselves as Muslims."


Teachers found they could discuss the trans-atlantic slave trade but met criticism from pupils when they brought up the history of slavery within Africa or in the Middle East.

Reflecting the promotion of anti-Darwinist thinking in Muslim countries, "evolution is challenged by pupils who posit divine or creationist action without any argument for it."

In some areas with large immigrant populations, many pupils shun school cafeterias for religious reasons, even though most offer alternative dishes when pork is on the menu.

"Demand for halal menus is strong, even for the very young in public crèches," it said. "In some cities, there are petitions for halal -- and sometimes kosher -- meals."

The report stressed the state could allow alternatives to pork but could not allow halal or kosher meals because the price for ritually slaughtered meat included a tax paid to religious organisations that certify the food was properly prepared.

"The school cannot, in this sense, participate in the religious education of its pupils or conform to principles that it does not recognise," the report said.

France allows private religious schools and the number of Jewish schools has risen in recent years. There are few Muslim schools and most parents would have difficulty paying tuition.

PHILOSOPHICAL UPHEAVAL

During Ramadan, some Muslim pupils harass others who don't observe the annual daytime fast, it said. Boys who identify themselves as Muslims and reject French values harass girls who do well in class as "collaborators" with the "dirty French."

Some girls ask to be excused from gymnasium or pool sessions because they are not supposed to mix with boys, it added.

The report said French schools must insist on co-education, equal rights and mutual respect. "Being a French citizen means accepting challenges to one's opinions ... this is the price to pay for the freedom of opinion and expression.

"Must we recall that the crime of blasphemy has not existed in France since the French Revolution?" it asked.

"The principle of secularism leads to a profound relativisation of religion. This is a philosophical upheaval that religions only consent to with difficulty," it said.

(Editing by Tim Pearce)

http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFTRE69O19720101025?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0&sp=true

These Muslims can't seem to grasp the concept that France is a secular nation (as dictated in their constitution). This is just another example of the ever-growing list of demands made by Muslims as a result of the West's placating extremists. Why don't they fuck off back to the countries they came from if they want to change what is taught in school? Iran just banned a bunch of subjects for being "too Western" so these people should considering going there to rot what's left of their brains.

Can't help but laugh at the ticking time bomb that is a result of Europe's idiotic policies over the last few decades.



To the Muslims, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SECULAR NATION. If I'm not mistaken, Islam means "Submission". That means, one way or the other (if they have anything to say about it) YOU WILL BOW THE KNEE TO ALLAH.

The easy way, you just bow down and roll over (ala the far left); the hard way, you get BLOWN TO BITS or shot.

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To the Muslims, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SECULAR NATION. If I'm not mistaken, Islam means "Submission". That means, one way or the other (if they have anything to say about it) YOU WILL BOW THE KNEE TO ALLAH.

The easy way, you just bow down and roll over (ala the far left); the hard way, you get BLOWN TO BITS or shot.

Well said. And Islam does indeed translate to "submission" in English. Another point that the apologists and MSM like to avoid.

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Damn Muslims should eat Halal flavored turds..

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Well said. And Islam does indeed translate to "submission" in English. Another point that the apologists and MSM like to avoid.

When you get told, point blank, that the end goal is putting the flag of Islam on the White House (as was the case a few weeks ago), you pretty much know the deal. The far-left has already "submitted" (hence the reason Juan Williams no longer works at NPR). And, it's not because they have any respect for the religion (or any religion, for that matter).

When they screw with Muslims, people come up missing; houses get burned, cartoonists get put in witness-protection, etc.


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I suspect the apologists will avoid this thread because it's not possible to link this story to America, Christians, Jews or the wars in Iraq/Afghanistan while painting French Muslims as the victims.  :D

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I suspect the apologists will avoid this thread because it's not possible to link this story to America, Christians, Jews or the wars in Iraq/Afghanistan while painting French Muslims as the victims.  :D

Or Palin or O'donnell. 


BBBOOOMMMM!!!! 

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I'm starting to wonder exactly what constitutes French culture anymore.  If they continue on this course, they may very well lose their majority views.  Sometimes you see glimmers that they are cognizant of this, other times it's like WTF?

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When you get told, point blank, that the end goal is putting the flag of Islam on the White House (as was the case a few weeks ago), you pretty much know the deal. The far-left has already "submitted" (hence the reason Juan Williams no longer works at NPR). And, it's not because they have any respect for the religion (or any religion, for that matter).

When they screw with Muslims, people come up missing; houses get burned, cartoonists get put in witness-protection, etc.



Absolutely. I never really understood (well I guess I do) the old, tired fallback of "you're a bigot!", "you're islamophobic!" and on and on. Muslims and their actual LEADERS have already stated time and again in big bold letters what their intent is.

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I got two words for the Muslims in this one.

Fuck You!

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Lets keep in mind it`s been 65 years since ww2. Do you think were still gonna be talking about it 15 years. Your gonna see a huge surge in white nationalism when the war generation dies off. People forget the the two world wars were based primarly on ethnic issues. Hitler and the soviet union cleaned that shit up. Europe will see major conflict before the end of the half of the century.