I need help comming off.

[Meso_z]

I need your opinion..after a thread on the streroids board regarding "staying on".

I was planning to go off the drugs a while ago, i juiced for like 1.5 - 2 years straight..

So, to make it more "painless" i just cruised with 250 test until i would come off...I cruised for 8 weeks "successfuly " and in the 9th week (NOW) i blew it. got back on 1 gram test...im on this for a week now.

NOW im seriously thinking of how STUPID i was and consider going off for like 6-7 months...is it a good idea to stop it cold turkey from next week?

as for pct, i will only use tribulus.

[Meso_z]

just to add. i already did clomid and hcg the last 3 weeks of the cruise, thats why im using only tribulus now..

[Stavios]

Can't help you much but good look, it's the right thing to do

[Arnold jr]

Whatever you do, do not come off cold turkey! Trust me, speaking from unwanted experience, cold turkey is hell on earth.

If you're really wanting to come off from such a long run, transition into it like you had planned. Drop back down to 250wk for a few wks, then drop it down to 250 every 10-11 days for about a month. After that start a run of HCG for 10-12 days, 1,000-1,500iu/ed. Then start clomid/nolva...I'd plan on a minimum of 4wks, 6wks being more like it.

[jerseymuscles113]

Fuck cold turkey...i had to come off mid way thru a cycle about a month and a half/2months ago and still  feel incredibly shutDown....AJ what advice would you give Me

[Arnold jr]

Fuck cold turkey...i had to come off mid way thru a cycle about a month and a half/2months ago and still  feel incredibly shutDown....AJ what advice would you give Me

I''d definitely try to run a course of nolva/clomid.

[Meso_z]

Whatever you do, do not come off cold turkey! Trust me, speaking from unwanted experience, cold turkey is hell on earth.

If you're really wanting to come off from such a long run, transition into it like you had planned. Drop back down to 250wk for a few wks, then drop it down to 250 every 10-11 days for about a month. After that start a run of HCG for 10-12 days, 1,000-1,500iu/ed. Then start clomid/nolva...I'd plan on a minimum of 4wks, 6wks being more like it.

how about gains? will they be better when i jump back on? im in a pretty goodl level right now. of course im going to eat clean most of the time.

someone also adviced me to take arimidex...?

[dustin]

Taper down to HRT doses again before coming off completely, man. I agree with HCG and clomid on cycle to wake up the leydigs. Just take some aromasin for PCT so you has estrogen but not in excess.

Look into d-aspartic acid and longjack to go with the trib. Don't know if it really kicks up test but its cheap and will keep your dick hard. I prefer mild PCT because your body will do the rest if you were smart on cycle and didn't get brutally shut down.

Coming off wont be any quicker on lower doses as a disclaimer. But it'll be easier. I know lots of people argue about this but shut down = shut down. But at least you won't get monster depression and loss of gains coming off from a lower dose in my experience. I'll be coming off after 1 more blast and an on cycle recovery phase (clomid and HCG).

[Meso_z]

Taper down to HRT doses again before coming off completely, man. I agree with HCG and clomid on cycle to wake up the leydigs. Just take some aromasin for PCT so you has estrogen but not in excess.

Look into d-aspartic acid and longjack to go with the trib. Don't know if it really kicks up test but its cheap and will keep your dick hard. I prefer mild PCT because your body will do the rest if you were smart on cycle and didn't get brutally shut down.

Coming off wont be any quicker on lower doses as a disclaimer. But it'll be easier. I know lots of people argue about this but shut down = shut down. But at least you won't get monster depression and loss of gains coming off from a lower dose in my experience. I'll be coming off after 1 more blast and an on cycle recovery phase (clomid and HCG).

It will be a long road for sure and i must stay positive at all cost.

I was looking into a bulgarian tribulus..tribestan is called and i heard it actually works...any aexperiences with trib anyone?

[Arnold jr]

how about gains? will they be better when i jump back on? im in a pretty goodl level right now. of course im going to eat clean most of the time.

someone also adviced me to take arimidex...?

You're going to lose some muscle, just no way around that. When you come off, really off, some muscle always goes but it's not that hard to get it back, so not really a big deal.

Adex PCT I do not recommend.

[thelamefalsehood]

Taper down to HRT doses again before coming off completely, man. I agree with HCG and clomid on cycle to wake up the leydigs. Just take some aromasin for PCT so you has estrogen but not in excess.

Look into d-aspartic acid and longjack to go with the trib. Don't know if it really kicks up test but its cheap and will keep your dick hard. I prefer mild PCT because your body will do the rest if you were smart on cycle and didn't get brutally shut down.

Coming off wont be any quicker on lower doses as a disclaimer. But it'll be easier. I know lots of people argue about this but shut down = shut down. But at least you won't get monster depression and loss of gains coming off from a lower dose in my experience. I'll be coming off after 1 more blast and an on cycle recovery phase (clomid and HCG).




D-aspartic acid is legit my friend. I was on for 18 months or so, tapered down to 300mg test e a week and then every 10-14 days and off. I used the DAA and it helped a lot, more than any clomid/nolva combo ever has.  Change your training as well, I always do a 4 moth periodization when coming off. Starting with extremely easy weights for the first 6-8 weeks and gradually building up. This gives you a chance to recover and doesn't give you the mental drain of losing so much strength.

[Meso_z]

You're going to lose some muscle, just no way around that. When you come off, really off, some muscle always goes but it's not that hard to get it back, so not really a big deal.

Adex PCT I do not recommend.

will i get fat? whats your experiences..

my diet is going to be a mainteinance one..like i do now.

300 prot
250 carbs
fats only efas

all clean 6 days a week..once a week i eat whatever i want for one or more meals..

[Meso_z]

im gonna use the pharmaceeutical version of tribulus - tribestan by sopharma bulgaria.

ive used it in the past and actually worked...but then again i did it after my first cycle ever...so things are a bit different as i cycled for a long time.

[Arnold jr]

will i get fat? whats your experiences..

my diet is going to be a mainteinance one..like i do now.

300 prot
250 carbs
fats only efas

all clean 6 days a week..once a week i eat whatever i want for one or more meals..

If you come off cold turkey then you will put on some fat, how much is to be determined. Cold turkey can make it very hard to train and can really slow your metabolism down. If you come off right though you should be fine. You might gain a little body fat but it shouldn't be anything to get up in arms about.

[gh15]

this is my monthly posting on this board,,this is actualy important posting,,

my recomendation is TO NEVER GET OFF only change doses and profuct,,but! if you get off make sure you always replace it with gh,,why do i say this? you have to create an increase in fibers while off the aas,,inorder for when you come back on which will be after about 95 days since youll go insane,,after that 95 days off you will go on back on ass and you want the gh to be there on the break so it prep the body for the new explosion that will occure,,ONLY THIS WAY YOU WILL GET TO THE MUSCLE QUALITY AND LEVEL YOU HAD BEFORE AND BE ABLE TO SURPASS IT,,dont ever forget the gh when off,,it is highly important to bodybulder,,not igf ,, h g h ,,make sure you are on it at 2-5 units a day ,,you will stabelize everything in your body fast,,recovrer optimally with out the need for any balonie pct,,and when go on you will get back quality and size within 4 weeks,,if you dont do this you will have to work about 4-6 months to get same quality as before especially if were on gh in past,,

good luck,,

gh15 approved

[4thAD]

You're going to lose some muscle, just no way around that. When you come off, really off, some muscle always goes but it's not that hard to get it back, so not really a big deal.

Adex PCT I do not recommend.

Agreed, adex is great while on, but not worth a shit while on PCT. If you want to use an AI for PCT run aromasin with clomid. Clomid 25-100mg ed for 3-4 weeks, and aromasin ed 25mg for six weeks. Aromasin will help stop the estro rebound when coming off such a long cycle.

[Meso_z]

this is my monthly posting on this board,,this is actualy important posting,,

my recomendation is TO NEVER GET OFF only change doses and profuct,,but! if you get off make sure you always replace it with gh,,why do i say this? you have to create an increase in fibers while off the aas,,inorder for when you come back on which will be after about 95 days since youll go insane,,after that 95 days off you will go on back on ass and you want the gh to be there on the break so it prep the body for the new explosion that will occure,,ONLY THIS WAY YOU WILL GET TO THE MUSCLE QUALITY AND LEVEL YOU HAD BEFORE AND BE ABLE TO SURPASS IT,,dont ever forget the gh when off,,it is highly important to bodybulder,,not igf ,, h g h ,,make sure you are on it at 2-5 units a day ,,you will stabelize everything in your body fast,,recovrer optimally with out the need for any balonie pct,,and when go on you will get back quality and size within 4 weeks,,if you dont do this you will have to work about 4-6 months to get same quality as before especially if were on gh in past,,

good luck,,

gh15 approved

thanks for your response gh15, i appreciate it.

[Arnold jr]

this is my monthly posting on this board,,this is actualy important posting,,

my recomendation is TO NEVER GET OFF only change doses and profuct,,but! if you get off make sure you always replace it with gh,,why do i say this? you have to create an increase in fibers while off the aas,,inorder for when you come back on which will be after about 95 days since youll go insane,,after that 95 days off you will go on back on ass and you want the gh to be there on the break so it prep the body for the new explosion that will occure,,ONLY THIS WAY YOU WILL GET TO THE MUSCLE QUALITY AND LEVEL YOU HAD BEFORE AND BE ABLE TO SURPASS IT,,dont ever forget the gh when off,,it is highly important to bodybulder,,not igf ,, h g h ,,make sure you are on it at 2-5 units a day ,,you will stabelize everything in your body fast,,recovrer optimally with out the need for any balonie pct,,and when go on you will get back quality and size within 4 weeks,,if you dont do this you will have to work about 4-6 months to get same quality as before especially if were on gh in past,,

good luck,,

gh15 approved

First thing, for the sake of argument lets say English really isn't your first language, OK, fine, but punctuation doesn't really have anything to do with what language you speak, the double commas and "ass" abbreviation....come on.

As for the post itself, sure HGH while off can be a good thing, but you have to remember most of the people you're talking to here aren't running cycles of pro's, they can't afford GH year round, etc. Most guys have to come off, if for no other reason than their pocket books...they can't all be Champions like me, lol!

[dustin]

Recommending aromasin for PCT again, little bit of clomid if you didn't run some on cycle recovery drugs. GH would be awesome and slin too. You could run T3 as well or just ECA if you don't want to fuck around with your hormones too much.

This is why I like tapering off. You'll still shrink and lose thickness but it's not like you'll lose a newly acquired 20lbs of solid mass. Lean out and abstain from stims so your adrenals aren't fatigued when you come off. You want the least stressful environment when coming off. That includes no drama at work, with your family and especially with your woman.


I'm still waiting for better SARMs to come out. Gonna start HCG and clomid to get my woman pregnant but will probably cruise for some time. Even when training and diet is shit I stay hard and lean having been on for a year. Took a couple few week breaks (was taking short esters too) and lost no more than a couple lbs. Long term intelligent cycles are the way to go. Or cut naturally and do quick, hard blast cycles and eat hard afterwards to keep from dipping (also run GH and slin when you're off). Will never cycle any other way. Fuck 8 or 12 week bullshit cycles.

[WillGrant]

Stay on a ml a week.

[Meso_z]

Stay on a ml a week.

for how long do you "cruise" before "blasting?"

[Meso_z]

Stay on a ml a week.

I think i need a break...y know what i mean..

besides, im in my early 20's...cant do this for a lifetime.

I will see it as a challenge.

ALSO i just want to figure out by myself if this "fresh receptors" or "musclememory" they say are really true...

[lesaucer]

what an idiot you are judging me for juicing at 20 and now you say you're 'on' since 2 years straight @ 21 years old! woww

[Meso_z]

what an idiot you are judging me for juicing at 20 and now you say you're 'on' since 2 years straight @ 21 years old! woww

...? i was trying to help you since i had the same thing going on, didnt i mention it in your thread?

[lesaucer]

...? i was trying to help you since i had the same thing going on, didnt i mention it in your thread?

you did not tried to answer my questions in my thread, you told me I probably had problems inside and started talking bullshit about family...