Team Fedor Emelianenko: “Brock Lesnar is a Pure Product of the UFC”

[FREAKgeek]

After hearing the entire MMA world come down on Fedor Emelianenko after his upset loss to Fabricio Werdum, it’s now M-1 Global figurehead Vadim Finkelchtein’s turn to fling insults at the man most believed had surpassed his golden boy in the heavyweight hierarchy. 

If critics thought Emelianenko’s credentials were questionable because he’s never called the Octagon home, then Vadim professes Brock Lesnar is straight up fugazy after getting annihilated by Cain Velasquez last weekend at UFC 121.

“I have long said that Lesnar is more of a product of UFC’s PR rather than a serious fighter and that fight clearly confirmed it,” Finkelchtein told AllBox.com (translated by Yahoo!). “I do not want to say that Lesnar is a nobody, but he has very little experience.

“What does he have, six fights in MMA? He’s a pure product of the UFC, who met a real fighter and he lost.”

While Fedor’s outspoken manager was quick to diss the former WWE superstar’s resume, he also didn’t hesitate to give the newly minted king props on his overall skills.

“In my opinion, he is a very good fighter. Capable and strong,” Finkelchtein said of Velasquez. “The UFC can now present him as the best in the world, and it is certainly debatable, but he’s really a fighter. Not a product of PR.”

Whatever is going on UFC-side shouldn’t be of concern to Finkelchtein, particularly since they haven’t been able to iron out a contract extension with Strikeforce. Emelianenko has one fight remaining on his current deal with the San Jose, California based promotion. Both parties – as well as Showtime – have been negotiating for several months to no avail.

Two weeks ago, Team Fedor claimed they would move forward with or without a new agreement in place. To the surprise of nobody, the soft deadline came and went and Emelianenko’s impending free agency status is still in limbo. Either way, don’t expect to see the world’s former/current top heavyweight inside an Octagon anytime soon.

“Now we are in active negotiations with Showtime on a contract extension, and perhaps we will renew it, but the UFC does not offer such opportunities and imposes its monopoly conditions,” Vaidim added. “They believe that everyone should be in the UFC.

“We would love to fight with Lesnar, and Velasquez and all, but why should we give up all these undertakings, all the years spent on Fedor’s development will go to them? Fedor did not grow in the UFC, right? So why should he go to the UFC?”


http://www.5thround.com/57500/team-fedor-emelianenko-brock-lesnar-is-a-pure-product-of-the-ufc/

[chaos]

Fedor did not grow in the UFC, right? So why should he go to the UFC?

http://www.5thround.com/57500/team-fedor-emelianenko-brock-lesnar-is-a-pure-product-of-the-ufc/

Well he did grow in Pride right? And Pride is now owned by UFC.........so.......



































Que haters............3..... .........2.........

[suckmymuscle]

After hearing the entire MMA world come down on Fedor Emelianenko after his upset loss to Fabricio Werdum, it’s now M-1 Global figurehead Vadim Finkelchtein’s turn to fling insults at the man most believed had surpassed his golden boy in the heavyweight hierarchy.  

If critics thought Emelianenko’s credentials were questionable because he’s never called the Octagon home, then Vadim professes Brock Lesnar is straight up fugazy after getting annihilated by Cain Velasquez last weekend at UFC 121.

“I have long said that Lesnar is more of a product of UFC’s PR rather than a serious fighter and that fight clearly confirmed it,” Finkelchtein told AllBox.com (translated by Yahoo!). “I do not want to say that Lesnar is a nobody, but he has very little experience.

“What does he have, six fights in MMA? He’s a pure product of the UFC, who met a real fighter and he lost.”

While Fedor’s outspoken manager was quick to diss the former WWE superstar’s resume, he also didn’t hesitate to give the newly minted king props on his overall skills.

“In my opinion, he is a very good fighter. Capable and strong,” Finkelchtein said of Velasquez. “The UFC can now present him as the best in the world, and it is certainly debatable, but he’s really a fighter. Not a product of PR.”

Whatever is going on UFC-side shouldn’t be of concern to Finkelchtein, particularly since they haven’t been able to iron out a contract extension with Strikeforce. Emelianenko has one fight remaining on his current deal with the San Jose, California based promotion. Both parties – as well as Showtime – have been negotiating for several months to no avail.

Two weeks ago, Team Fedor claimed they would move forward with or without a new agreement in place. To the surprise of nobody, the soft deadline came and went and Emelianenko’s impending free agency status is still in limbo. Either way, don’t expect to see the world’s former/current top heavyweight inside an Octagon anytime soon.

“Now we are in active negotiations with Showtime on a contract extension, and perhaps we will renew it, but the UFC does not offer such opportunities and imposes its monopoly conditions,” Vaidim added. “They believe that everyone should be in the UFC.

“We would love to fight with Lesnar, and Velasquez and all, but why should we give up all these undertakings, all the years spent on Fedor’s development will go to them? Fedor did not grow in the UFC, right? So why should he go to the UFC?”


http://www.5thround.com/57500/team-fedor-emelianenko-brock-lesnar-is-a-pure-product-of-the-ufc/

  I love Fedor and I will always respect what he did in PRIDE. His dominance of the best heavyweight division in the World for three years has never been matched by any other fighter even in other weight divisions. Going by that, Fedor can be considered the greatest heavyweight ever and maybe the greatest ever with only GSP challenging him there. However, Fedor and his managers need to realize that belongs to the past and that Fedor is no longer the World's greatest heavyweight, and they should realize that Fedor got defeated, and a fighter who's reputation revolved around being invincible immediately loses 95% of his value when he is finally defeated. They should realize that now Fedor is only a top ten heavyweight or so and not the super-god of MMA, and they finally realize that a regular UFC contract is good enough and that Fedor doesen't deserve special terms. I still believe that a strong case could be made for him still being the World's greatest heavyweight - I can see him beating Velasquez - but he lost his last fight and thus he should accept his new condition as just another fighter and not the god of fighting.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[AC Slater]

agree 100% with the article.

brock is a pure product of american hype marketing.

the ufc lost all credibility with him as their champ, something they will never get back.  the ufc belt will always have a diminished glory due to the no skilled, talentless wwe wrestler who held it.

[coltrane]

For the record Team Fedor states Cain is the top heavy weight...a ufc product. 

[chaos]

but he lost his last fight and thus he should accept his new condition as just another fighter and not the god of fighting.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

The thing that stands out to me about that fight was that he was submitted, not KO'd. If he was KO'd it wouldn't have affected his stock much, IMO, but a submission exposes that maybe his thought process is slowing down as he ages causing him to slip up.

Still at this point in MMA he has to be right up high on the list of the best.

[benchmstr]

Brock is a pure product of the UFC......a lot of these guys are legitimate badass's....but not Brock..i can totally see that guy ending up in a youtube video getting his ass stomped by some twink in a bar fight....no fighter in the history of any fight organization has been hyped more than Brock.

brocktober?...come the fuck on!!

if you don't believe me?...watch who your handing out candy to tonight...i guarantee there will be a few little kids dressed as Brock for Halloween..

bench

[Geo]

The thing that stands out to me about that fight was that he was submitted, not KO'd. If he was KO'd it wouldn't have affected his stock much, IMO, but a submission exposes that maybe his thought process is slowing down as he ages causing him to slip up.

Still at this point in MMA he has to be right up high on the list of the best.

actually it's the other way around chaos..

if fedor stands in there and takes a beating over the course of a fight,that's going to be the indicator that he's on the downside of his career...

it's those quick subs that really don't prove a lot especially to Werdum who's hands down the best on the ground in anyones Heavyweight division...

it's been Fedors M.O for years to try and beat you at your strong suit and he got caught..

if I were to rank heavys, I'd still have Fedor #1 slightly ahead of Velasquez with Werdum being down around 5-8 somewhere..

[suckmymuscle]

The thing that stands out to me about that fight was that he was submitted, not KO'd. If he was KO'd it wouldn't have affected his stock much, IMO, but a submission exposes that maybe his thought process is slowing down as he ages causing him to slip up.

Still at this point in MMA he has to be right up high on the list of the best.

  Actually, it would have been far more shocking if Fedor had been KOd rather than submitted, since Werdum is a grappler and not a striker. There is no shame in being submitted by a BJJ World champion. We all knew before this fight even happened that Fedor would be submitted if he tried to grapple with Werdum. Fedor's grappling is good enough for him to hang with BJJ black belts and win, like his two fights with Nog prove, but a fifth degree BJJ World champion is too much even for Fedor when it comes to grappling skills. The real mystery of the the Fedor Werdum fight is this: why the fuck a guy with Fedor's incredible takedown defenses and KO power even take the fight to the ground? Is there any question that Fedor would have won the fight if the fight had remained standing?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[chaos]

You double posted so let me explain what I was saying and see if you understand..........If Fedor stood toe to toe and got KO'd......one could make the argument of lucky shot/right button hit, whatever...no mistake would have been made on his part because getting hit is part of the fight..........however, even Fedor said he rushed in and made a mistake by going after him on the ground.........shows a lack of judgement that may be the beginning of the end of Fedors long reign of terror.

[suckmymuscle]

You double posted so let me explain what I was saying and see if you understand..........If Fedor stood toe to toe and got KO'd......one could make the argument of lucky shot/right button hit, whatever...no mistake would have been made on his part because getting hit is part of the fight..........however, even Fedor said he rushed in and made a mistake by going after him on the ground.........shows a lack of judgement that may be the beginning of the end of Fedors long reign of terror.

  I double posted And a mistake of judgement is something that can be avoided next time through experience. Living and learning. Yeah, I agree that with his experience he shouldn't have made this mistake in the first place, but a mistake in judgement does not indicate a decline in his reasoning capacity or that he will make a similar mistake next time. But getting KOd by a BJJ guy with no great striking would be pathetic and would mean that Fedor is done. Conversely, getting caught in a submission from a fifth degree BJJ black belt who is also a World champion is completely understandable and doesen't mean that Fedor is declining as an MMA fighter.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[coltrane]

Brock is a pure product of the UFC......a lot of these guys are legitimate badass's....but not Brock..i can totally see that guy ending up in a youtube video getting his ass stomped by some twink in a bar fight....no fighter in the history of any fight organization has been hyped more than Brock.

brocktober?...come the fuck on!!

if you don't believe me?...watch who your handing out candy to tonight...i guarantee there will be a few little kids dressed as Brock for Halloween..

bench

You're right.  He isn't a huge beast capable of wrecking guys in the cage.  Just a big ol pussy.   

[Fury]

Most people who didn't have their lips attached to Dana White's balls (e.g. not Mindspin) have been saying this for a long time now. Fedor is wise beyond his years. 

[chaos]

You're right.  He isn't a huge beast capable of wrecking guys in the cage.  Just a big ol pussy.   

He is a huge beast, no doubt, but he doesn't have the talent training him that he needs to be a successful fighter. If he continues the type of training he has been doing, he is finished. If he searches out new trainers/coaches/fighters to train with, hopefully he can improve.

[MindSpin]

  I love Fedor and I will always respect what he did in PRIDE. His dominance of the best heavyweight division in the World for three years has never been matched by any other fighter even in other weight divisions. Going by that, Fedor can be considered the greatest heavyweight ever and maybe the greatest ever with only GSP challenging him there. However, Fedor and his managers need to realize that belongs to the past and that Fedor is no longer the World's greatest heavyweight, and they should realize that Fedor got defeated, and a fighter who's reputation revolved around being invincible immediately loses 95% of his value when he is finally defeated. They should realize that now Fedor is only a top ten heavyweight or so and not the super-god of MMA, and they finally realize that a reguular UFC contract is good enough and that Fedor doesen't deserve special terms. I still believe that a strong case could be made for him still being the World's greatest heavyweight - I can see him beating Velasquuez - but he lost his last fight and thus he should accept his new condition as just another fighter and not the god of fighting.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

wow....I agree with 99% of everything written there!