Author Topic: Look at the physiques 14 years ago at the NPC USAs and Nationals Heavyweights... (Read 11698 times)

Parker · « **Reply #25 on:** October 31, 2010, 02:53:10 PM »

Quote from: Meso_z on October 31, 2010, 01:53:11 PM

Damn.....take one guy from those lineups and put him on todays NPC Nationals contests and he would turn pro..

The way Edgar Fletcher looked, he could have won the Arnold and possibly the Mr. O this yr...
Most of those dudes looked better than the top 10 of most pro shows...

che · « **Reply #26 on:** October 31, 2010, 03:00:37 PM »

Quote from: Parker on October 31, 2010, 02:53:10 PM

The way Edgar Fletcher looked, he could have won the Arnold and possibly the Mr. O this yr...
Most of those dudes looked better than the top 10 of most pro shows...

Nope , In modern BB size and condition are more important than Symmetry and proportions .

Parker · « **Reply #27 on:** October 31, 2010, 03:10:25 PM »

Quote from: che on October 31, 2010, 03:00:37 PM

Nope , In modern BB size and condition are more important than Symmetry and proportions .

Well, well...in my MIND he would have...leave me alone, stop reminding me of the truth...

I hate you.

Wiggs · « **Reply #28 on:** October 31, 2010, 03:30:02 PM »

Jay and Ronald look like shite compared to those two in those pics.

Reeves · « **Reply #29 on:** October 31, 2010, 04:11:24 PM »

Quote from: Wiggs on October 31, 2010, 03:30:02 PM

Jay and Ronald look like shite compared to those two in those pics.

Yep. See? We can agree on some things. They would look even worse next to the great Serge Nubret in his prime.

Cableguy · « **Reply #30 on:** October 31, 2010, 04:50:12 PM »

Yup, except for legs, Serge was awesome. But that's only because there wasn't as much emphasis on lower body development then.

Chick · « **Reply #31 on:** October 31, 2010, 05:00:43 PM »

Quote from: Parker on October 31, 2010, 02:53:10 PM

The way Edgar Fletcher looked, he could have won the Arnold and possibly the Mr. O this yr...
Most of those dudes looked better than the top 10 of most pro shows...

LOL...lets not over do it now...

~UN_$ung~ · « **Reply #32 on:** October 31, 2010, 05:02:22 PM »

Quote from: Chick on October 31, 2010, 05:00:43 PM

LOL...lets not over do it now...

haha, exactly

Shockwave · « **Reply #33 on:** October 31, 2010, 05:04:43 PM »

Was that Derek Anthony in there after Bob Chick and before Prince?
And holy fuck at prince. Craziness.

Chick · « **Reply #34 on:** October 31, 2010, 05:44:11 PM »

Quote from: Shockwave on October 31, 2010, 05:04:43 PM

Was that Derek Anthony in there after Bob Chick and before Prince?
And holy fuck at prince. Craziness.

Ahhhhhh....no

Shockwave · « **Reply #35 on:** October 31, 2010, 05:48:02 PM »

Quote from: Chick on October 31, 2010, 05:44:11 PM

Ahhhhhh....no

Hahahaha. Seriously tho who was that?

claymore · « **Reply #36 on:** October 31, 2010, 07:05:15 PM »

The caliber of physiques has been on the decline since the 90's.

Wiggs · « **Reply #37 on:** October 31, 2010, 07:13:38 PM »

Bob I guess you can't really give your opinion on this without pissing some people off...Is this assessment correct? If not what do you think about what I posted and what we see today?

Chick · « **Reply #38 on:** October 31, 2010, 07:34:37 PM »

I can give my opinion....It was tougher to get a pro card back then, and the physiques were better....a few reasons....

1. There was no SHW class, so all the talent was in the HW, which means there were a lot of guys that were damn good...many, like Fletcher, Dente, Mendenhall, Leidelmeyer, and (almost) myself....would never make it to the pros because of the depth of the lineups...

2. Physiques were built more in the gym, and for longer timeframe...I was taught from day one by the guys at the gym, that a good base was something you needed to build...naturally.

3. I think guys get on the sauce way to early and never really build that base, which shows in their physiques...as well as guys jumping into the National level shows WAY too early in their "careers"...back in the day, you didnt move up the ranks until you were ready to compete, not just because you were qualified...

Howard · « **Reply #39 on:** October 31, 2010, 09:24:50 PM »

Quote from: ~UN_$ung~ on October 31, 2010, 11:43:45 AM

bodybuilding was very popular from th e 80s to the mid 90s ................so the field to select the best from was bigger

but i am also of the mind that the drugs were better back then...............every thing was pharma grade, all the growth was pharma grade..........and i think i shows in the physiques

now-a-days.....many guys are using bathtub brew and cheap chinese GH, even many of the top guys

some would argue, but i feel its noticable

It was more popular and the fields were deeper with quality. Not only were drugs more geneuine in the 80's and mid 90"s, but the guys dialed in better as that was REALLY key to a win. Now we have some diluted NON bodybuilding crap like bikini and the new male board shorts division.

TRIX · « **Reply #40 on:** October 31, 2010, 11:36:29 PM »

Bodybuilders today are just as ripped. The old cameras made people look surreal.

Parker · « **Reply #41 on:** October 31, 2010, 11:43:47 PM »

Quote from: Chick on October 31, 2010, 07:34:37 PM

I can give my opinion....It was tougher to get a pro card back then, and the physiques were better....a few reasons....

1. There was no SHW class, so all the talent was in the HW, which means there were a lot of guys that were damn good...many, like Fletcher, Dente, Mendenhall, Leidelmeyer, and (almost) myself....would never make it to the pros because of the depth of the lineups...

2. Physiques were built more in the gym, and for longer timeframe...I was taught from day one by the guys at the gym, that a good base was something you needed to build...naturally.

3. I think guys get on the sauce way to early and never really build that base, which shows in their physiques...as well as guys jumping into the National level shows WAY too early in their "careers"...back in the day, you didnt move up the ranks until you were ready to compete, not just because you were qualified...

I have said before that this class has ruined the NPC in terms of quality...It seems that in this class that too many come in huge but not conditioned like the 90s (Examples, Jason Huh, Kali Muscle) and when or if they get their Pro Cards, they don't grow any more...even Melvin Anthony, who looked excellent at 210 pounds, when he lost a tie breaker to Dennis James in 1998.

Figo · « **Reply #42 on:** November 01, 2010, 08:09:20 AM »

guys like Titus, Wheeler, Cormier, De Mayo...

they had to bust their asses to get their pro cards

and some, as you guys mentioned, didnt get theirs and would've made big damage in current line-ups, all things considered and equal..

MB · « **Reply #43 on:** November 01, 2010, 08:42:11 AM »

Quote from: Chick on October 31, 2010, 07:34:37 PM

2. Physiques were built more in the gym, and for longer timeframe...I was taught from day one by the guys at the gym, that a good base was something you needed to build...naturally.

It seems like as the average age to turn pro has gone up, the quality of physiques has gone down. Turning pro use to be done in your 20's, now it's late 30's. We're left with new pros who have seen better days; torn muscles, nerve damage, expanding guts, etc. There isn't much potential left in a 38 year old bodybuilder who has been at it for 20 years and is finally turning pro.

GetItOnNY · « **Reply #44 on:** November 01, 2010, 08:57:04 AM »

Bob hit the nail on the head
I can give my opinion....It was tougher to get a pro card back then, and the physiques were better....a few reasons....

1. There was no SHW class, so all the talent was in the HW, which means there were a lot of guys that were damn good...many, like Fletcher, Dente, Mendenhall, Leidelmeyer, and (almost) myself....would never make it to the pros because of the depth of the lineups...

2. Physiques were built more in the gym, and for longer timeframe...I was taught from day one by the guys at the gym, that a good base was something you needed to build...naturally.

3. I think guys get on the sauce way to early and never really build that base, which shows in their physiques...as well as guys jumping into the National level shows WAY too early in their "careers"...back in the day, you didnt move up the ranks until you were ready to compete, not just because you were qualified...

I would also add guys back then would train 2-3 hours a day in the gym Then do 2 hours of cardio.They did over train a l il but it made ther bodies more lean vascular and have more muscle seperation.I would see guys back then literally do 20-24 sets for chest,30 sets for legs.They trained harder to, they didnt use Hammer strength or machines as much back then.Hammer strength didnt become popular until Dorain Yates said he used Hammer Strength.
Plus back in 1996 it wasnt uncommon for guys to train 2 body parts a day, and train muscles twice per week.Most routines were Monday Chest Back, Tuesaday legs Calves, Wednesday shoulders and Arms.Then repeat the cycle thursday friday and Saturday. Or they might take Thursday off then go Friday ,sat and Sunday.We are talking 2 bodyparts a day twice per week.Thats alot of training, I know I did it.Thats why I never grew that much until 1994-1995.I gained 15lbs in 3 months from cutting back to one bodypart per day, and training a body part once per week.

stuntmovie · « **Reply #45 on:** November 01, 2010, 10:27:55 AM »

I can give my opinion....It was tougher to get a pro card back then, and the physiques were better....a few reasons....

1. There was no SHW class, so all the talent was in the HW, which means there were a lot of guys that were damn good...many, like Fletcher, Dente, Mendenhall, Leidelmeyer, and (almost) myself....would never make it to the pros because of the depth of the lineups...

2. Physiques were built more in the gym, and for longer timeframe...I was taught from day one by the guys at the gym, that a good base was something you needed to build...naturally.

3. I think guys get on the sauce way to early and never really build that base, which shows in their physiques...as well as guys jumping into the National level shows WAY too early in their "careers"...back in the day, you didnt move up the ranks until you were ready to compete, not just because you were qualified...

Bob, I usually always find myself agreeing with ya because I was there to "see it happen", but in regards to your above comments, I agree with ya more than usual (somewhat close to 198% or more).

The roids changed the game entirely and 'getting bigger' took over and became the objective of the majority of competitive bodybuilders, thereby causing the loss of thousands of guys who did not want to do what was so absolutely necessary to win or simply stand on that stage.

BUT, I somewhat disagree with ya on comment #3 due to the fact that I've seen many national competitors standing on that stage merely because they qualified in some small event back at home. A few even resembled the Pillsbury Dough Boy. I'd name names but I'm not here to embarrass anyone, but I'm sure you've seen it many times yourself back then.

Does the NPC (state and national) have any right to turn down a competitive bodybuilder who looks bad before he goes on stage? Or could such an action cause a possible lawsuit?

Wiggs · « **Reply #46 on:** November 01, 2010, 10:35:20 AM »

I like Dorian but can we all agree it was he that changed this sport for the worst? e.g. 1993 Mr. O and from then on everyone was chasing that...then came Nassar and Pierre Fux.

Cableguy · « **Reply #47 on:** November 01, 2010, 10:37:10 AM »

Quote from: Chick on October 31, 2010, 07:34:37 PM

I can give my opinion....It was tougher to get a pro card back then, and the physiques were better....a few reasons....

1. There was no SHW class, so all the talent was in the HW, which means there were a lot of guys that were damn good...many, like Fletcher, Dente, Mendenhall, Leidelmeyer, and (almost) myself....would never make it to the pros because of the depth of the lineups...

2. Physiques were built more in the gym, and for longer timeframe...I was taught from day one by the guys at the gym, that a good base was something you needed to build...naturally.

3. I think guys get on the sauce way to early and never really build that base, which shows in their physiques...as well as guys jumping into the National level shows WAY too early in their "careers"...back in the day, you didnt move up the ranks until you were ready to compete, not just because you were qualified...

Very well said. And the talent back then went deep. Almost any one of those guys were capable of winning. It was just a matter of who brought the best package that day. Hopefully things will swing back around to the way things were...

Cableguy · « **Reply #48 on:** November 01, 2010, 10:38:26 AM »

Quote from: Wiggs on November 01, 2010, 10:35:20 AM

I like Dorian but can we all agree it was he that changed this sport for the worst? e.g. 1993 Mr. O and from then on everyone was chasing that...then came Nassar and Pierre Fux.

Agreed.

MB · « **Reply #49 on:** November 01, 2010, 10:46:54 AM »

Quote from: Wiggs on November 01, 2010, 10:35:20 AM

I like Dorian but can we all agree it was he that changed this sport for the worst? e.g. 1993 Mr. O and from then on everyone was chasing that...then came Nassar and Pierre Fux.

Dorian brought a new level of size and conditioning, but he only did what was best for him. No one else should have tried to follow him. He was 1 in a million.