Do you think Big Ach is natural?

[Jaime]

Ach is a good guy but this is hardly questioning his integrity, he already admitted to taking pro hormones.

So no he is not natural, he is clean if he hasn't used for a certain period of time.

Why the fuck you would make the choice to take pro hormones but wouldn't take steroids i don't know.

Ach is obviously full of shit when it comes down to use, apart from that he handles himself well.

[OneMoreRep]

Big Ach is an all around big dude.

His nose is not the only thing with a hook.

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[BIG ACH]

Ach is a good guy but this is hardly questioning his integrity, he already admitted to taking pro hormones.

So no he is not natural, he is clean if he hasn't used for a certain period of time.

Why the fuck you would make the choice to take pro hormones but wouldn't take steroids i don't know.

Ach is obviously full of shit when it comes down to use, apart from that he handles himself well.

How about because pro-hormones were legal?  and Because all the natural organizations allowed them?

[Doug_Steele]

Big Ach's has nothing on this guy's nose. 



 

[BIG ACH]

Big Ach's has nothing on this guy's nose. 



 

Back in school a bunch of people called me "Gonzo" becasue my big nose lolll   

[Deicide]

Cause you look better/are bigger than he was when using. To him that means your using.
He uses his own genetics as the yardstick to measure everyone else.
If youre bigger/better that he was, youre on.

Good point. Genetics=everything

[Ursus]

I believe Ach in all he says.

So many jealous people in this thread who hate when they see progress.

[Deicide]

I believe Ach in all he says.

So many jealous people in this thread who hate when they see progress.

Your genetics=much, much better than BIG ACH's.

[_bruce_]

Only the nose time will tell...

[Jaime]

How about because pro-hormones were legal?  and Because all the natural organizations allowed them?

So you have zero moral objection to drugs.

Calling yourself a natural is a stretch. Clean is the best you can label yourself as.

[BIG ACH]

So you have zero moral objection to drugs.

Calling yourself a natural is a stretch. Clean is the best you can label yourself as.

Yeah its not about morality man... 

I think steroids should be legal but never used them, hell I think weed should be legal and I've never smoked it! lol

Like I said man, i know tons of guys that use - some of my closest friends, and I've got nothing against it - just not for me! Thats all

[Jaime]

Yeah its not about morality man... 

I think steroids should be legal but never used them, hell I think weed should be legal and I've never smoked it! lol

Like I said man, i know tons of guys that use - some of my closest friends, and I've got nothing against it - just not for me! Thats all

Whatever Ach  I don't understand your perspective, if you think they should be legal and have pretty much used but just under a different chemical name. Then why would they not be for you? I couldn't really give a shit but the whole not using anymore line is confusing as fuck, you have career long juicers who seem to think they are natty if they have been clean for six months lol.

You look good in any event but "natural bodybuildng is just shades of grey. Natural is someone who doesn't use drugs full stop. Call it classic bodybuilding, low dose body sculpting or whatever the fuck my org allows training.

[BIG ACH]

Whatever Ach  I don't understand your perspective, if you think they should be legal and have pretty much used but just under a different chemical name. Then why would they not be for you? I couldn't really give a shit but the whole not using anymore line is confusing as fuck, you have career long juicers who seem to think they are natty if they have been clean for six months lol.

You look good in any event but "natural bodybuildng is just shades of grey. Natural is someone who doesn't use drugs full stop. Call it classic bodybuilding, low dose body sculpting or whatever the fuck my org allows training.

First of all Jamie thanks for the compliment about looking good, i appreciate it.

Alright....  Lets look at it this way... when I started competing I had never used pro-hormones... after my second season competing, I deicided to try it, and I checked with the head of OCB if it would be OK, and was given the green light.... It was LEGAL and you could buy it over the counter, and all was well.  I tried it, and then stopped using it BEFORE it was even banned, I decided I didn't want to use it anymore before it was ever made illegal...

A few years later, I moved overseas to Egypt, where EVERYTHING WAS LEGAL and EASILY available and SUPER cheap, I'm talking waaay cheaper than whey protein is!  Deca is put up on display at the pharmacy window for everyone to see!  But still, I didn't use it then, because I decided it was not for me, why is that so hard to understand?

If pro-hormones became legal again tomorrow, I probably would not use them again.  Does that make sense?


YES.... there are many shades of grey when it comes to natural bodybuilding, and I'm the first to admit that I fall in that category of that grey area because of my use of pro-hormones in the past, I guess you can say I fell through the cracks?

Don't forget either that many different organizations have different rules for the duration of being drug free.  I believe the OCB is 7 years, others are lifetime requirements, others are 5 years, the Team Universe is 1 year!

[mesmorph78]

Youre the biggest joke on here.  You've admitted juicing up, and never looked as good as the nattys on here.. like Big Ach.  You're just jealous dicklicker!

agree
some people are meant to have muscles because they are genitically gifted in that area
sevasste should stick to tennis

[Cleanest Natural]

agree
some people are meant to have muscles because they are genitically gifted in that area
sevasste should stick to tennis

haha

I looked better and were stronger and did not lie about usage pogosticks

go drink a redbull and filozofize sum more 

[mesmorph78]

Hahahhaha whatever you say man
the fact that you think I have taken gear proves my superiority
sevaste I look 5 times better than you and I'm natural no contest you not in my leaague
sorry muscle buiding genetics are in my family I poked better than you looked at your  peak after 6 months of training. No contest your jealousy proves my point
when I look at your physique I would never ever think you took anything
yet 5 years on your still accusing me .....
I'm natural you juiced I'm I'm better bigger better lines muscle shape no contest
if I looked like you did I'd be worried you looked small
stop hating on big ach he's also out of your league
peace enjoy the rest of the thread tennis guy

[disco_stu]

Thanks bro!  Engineering is a bitch and a half - glad to have gotten through that stuff, and still fighting in the PhD lol  I've learned more at work though than I did in school - guess it just gives you a base and a way of thinking like they say!

ive been an engineer for 20 years now. good to see another on here.

prohormones IMO dont count as they were over the counter products that everyone could get hold of legally.

anything legally obtainable is fair game IMO. with the exception of steroids, GH etc...but not insulin for diabetics.

prohormones arent even in the same stratosphere as AS. Good luck on the PhD. you must be glutten for punishment.

[coltrane]

haha

I looked better and were stronger and did not lie about usage pogosticks

go drink a redbull and filozofize sum more 

lol.  Delusional.  WHEN did YOU EVER look better than Meso?  OR, for that matter, when were you stronger?  WHen you squatted 405 pounds worth of fake plates?

Please sev, stick to playing with tennis balls.

[mesmorph78]

lol.  Delusional.  WHEN did YOU EVER look better than Meso?  OR, for that matter, when were you stronger?  WHen you squatted 405 pounds worth of fake plates?

Please sev, stick to playing with tennis balls.

leave him to ramble and talk doo doo
I have nothing against him personally but he is such a jealous individual
when I see people post pics and clips on here it's always an inspiration
because I know they have the same love of lifting like I do and their trying to build a better body
sev is a hater anyone that he thinks looks better than him must be a juicer....
He is a loser in that respect he has jealous emotions like a female

[Cleanest Natural]

leave him to ramble and talk doo doo
I have nothing against him personally but he is such a jealous individual
when I see people post pics and clips on here it's always an inspiration
because I know they have the same love of lifting like I do and their trying to build a better body
sev is a hater anyone that he thinks looks better than him must be a juicer....
He is a loser in that respect he has jealous emotions like a female

haha ... ok mr 2 jamaican meals a day and oreos lol

[coltrane]

haha ... ok mr 2 jamaican meals a day and oreos lol

Crafty.   

[Cleanest Natural]

Crafty.   

are there “issues“ from the past coltrane ?

seems you still havent recovered from being utterly owned and outed as a liar

you keep cuming back for more

[coltrane]

are there “issues“ from the past coltrane ?

seems you still havent recovered from being utterly owned and outed as a liar

you keep cuming back for more

Can you be anymore vague?  A liar in regards to what?  Ive been natty all my life as a bodybuilder, 18 years.

You haven't. 

[coltrane]

a good NATTY physique:
(something sev can't attain even WITH gear)

[mesmorph78]

Great build man very good physique