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« on: November 02, 2010, 03:11:13 AM »
Thinking of purchasing a '06 , '07 Lincoln Navigator...

a) Does anyone here drive one of these ? - would love to hear from a first hand owner..

2)what are the general problems these cars experience? all cars have certain sets of things that just fail or go wrong at some time..

ie. lot's of 90's nad 2000's gm cars had problems with water heater, etc.

3) How expensive is maintenance on one of these things? is it worth getting it? I'm by no means a thug or wannabe rapper, but I like large comfortable suv's ..

so for the owners, or anyone in your family has one..plz ask questions and get some answers..

basically is tihs a good, reliable car to get?

and please no idiotic comments like 'ig you're spending that much why don't you just buy a bentley gt' lol

let's keep this realistic.

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« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2010, 06:07:44 AM »
Thinking of purchasing a '06 , '07 Lincoln Navigator...

a) Does anyone here drive one of these ? - would love to hear from a first hand owner..

2)what are the general problems these cars experience? all cars have certain sets of things that just fail or go wrong at some time..

ie. lot's of 90's nad 2000's gm cars had problems with water heater, etc.

3) How expensive is maintenance on one of these things? is it worth getting it? I'm by no means a thug or wannabe rapper, but I like large comfortable suv's ..

so for the owners, or anyone in your family has one..plz ask questions and get some answers..

basically is tihs a good, reliable car to get?

and please no idiotic comments like 'ig you're spending that much why don't you just buy a bentley gt' lol

let's keep this realistic.

I drove a 99 Lincoln Navigator for the last few years before moving to Florida.  Fun car to Drive, feels like a tank but still smooth and "luxurious"  - HUUUUUUUUUUGE gas guzzler, got 10 miles per gallon!!!!!!

Some of the problems I've faced was the suspension was giving out, and you can literally feel the buzzing as it went up and down and feel it do so slowly, others have complained that the back of the car would just drop by itself randomly (lincoln told me thats a common problem - the suspension).  My brake line just broke by itself, no reason, nothing, it just broke and my brakes went out, the digital odometer goes off and on as it pleases (again lincoln has told me this is a common problem in that car).  I always got my car serviced and fixed up at the Lincoln Dealer (since it was literally right across the street from my place) so it was pretty expensive to maintain, I'm guessing that it could've been cheaper if I had gone to any good mechanice and had them take care of it, but it was just convenient for me!

Also I had AC problems, I remember, it just stopped working! - compressor needed some work - can't rememeber what the problem was!

Its a good car with horrible gas mileage - but eventually shit will go wrong (as with any car) and its not cheap to fix it!

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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2010, 06:08:34 AM »
Thinking of purchasing a '06 , '07 Lincoln Navigator...

a) Does anyone here drive one of these ? - would love to hear from a first hand owner..

2)what are the general problems these cars experience? all cars have certain sets of things that just fail or go wrong at some time..

ie. lot's of 90's nad 2000's gm cars had problems with water heater, etc.

3) How expensive is maintenance on one of these things? is it worth getting it? I'm by no means a thug or wannabe rapper, but I like large comfortable suv's ..

so for the owners, or anyone in your family has one..plz ask questions and get some answers..

basically is tihs a good, reliable car to get?

and please no idiotic comments like 'ig you're spending that much why don't you just buy a bentley gt' lol

let's keep this realistic.

Do you need a car in the first place?
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« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2010, 06:13:28 AM »
HUUUUUUUUUUGE gas guzzler, got 10 miles per gallon!!!!!!

expensive to maintain

and its not cheap to fix !


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« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2010, 06:32:58 AM »
2003-2009 Lincoln Navigator: Full Review

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Pros
Cargo room
Passenger room
Trailer-towing capability

Cons
Control layout (navigation system)
Entry/exit
Fuel economy


Vehicle Highlights
Class-exclusive power running boards and a new power liftgate highlighted the 2003 redesign of Lincoln's full-size sport-utility vehicle. Essentially, the Navigator is a Ford Expedition luxury spinoff. Dimensions changed little, but styling was revised. Introduction of an independent rear suspension lowered the rear floor by 9 inches, to provide more third-row leg room. Navigator's new dashboard design was not shared with the Expedition. Luxury, Premium, and top-line Ultimate models were offered, all equipped with a 300-horsepower, 5.4-liter V8, versus the 260-hp engine in the Expedition. A four-speed automatic was the sole transmission. Navigators were offered with rear-wheel drive or Ford's ControlTrac four-wheel drive, which could be left engaged on dry pavement and included low-range gearing. Antilock four-wheel disc brakes, 18-inch wheels (versus 17s in 2002), power-adjustable pedals, leather upholstery, and genuine walnut interior trim were standard. So were curtain side airbags that served the first and second seating rows, and were designed to deploy in side impacts and rollovers. Torso side airbags were unavailable. Heated power-folding door mirrors and an in-dash CD changer also were standard. A self-leveling air-spring suspension was included with 4WD. Second-row seating was a choice of two buckets with a center console, or a three-passenger split-folding bench. A 60/40 split folding third-row bench was standard. The Premium model featured traction/antiskid control and heated/cooled front seats. The Ultimate added a power-fold feature for each section, which was also available for the Expedition. However, no other SUV offered the Navigator Ultimate's standard power liftgate or power running boards. The latter automatically extended when a side door opened, and retracted when it closed. Premium and Ultimate options included rear-seat DVD entertainment and a navigation system. Later in the year, a tire-pressure monitor became available. Rivals included the Acura MDX, Cadillac Escalade, Mercedes-Benz M-Class, and Toyota Land Cruiser

Expert Ratings Summary (view detailed report)
Category Luxury 4WD Rating
Performance  4 
Fuel Economy  2 
Ride Quality  6 
Steering/Handling/Braking  4 
Quietness  6 
Controls/Materials  5 
Interior Room  9 
Room/Comfort (rear)  8 
Cargo Capacity  9 
Value within Class  3 
Total Score: 56


Year to Year Changes


2004 Lincoln Navigator: Highlights for 2004 included a standard tire-pressure monitor and, at midyear, availability of Ford's Roll Stability Control. That system was designed to detect an impending tip and activate the antiskid system to reduce chances of a rollover. Navigators came in Luxury and Ultimate models this year. A self-leveling rear suspension was standard. The Ultimate had a standard power liftgate and optional power running boards. Antiskid/traction control and heated/cooled front seats were standard on the Ultimate.
2005 Lincoln Navigator: A new V8 engine and transmission went into 2005 models. The revised 5.4-liter V8 developed the same 300 horsepower, but was designed to deliver more low-range power. A six-speed automatic transmission replaced the prior four-speed. Ford's Roll Stability Control system was now standard.
2006 Lincoln Navigator: There were no 2006 changes for the Navigator.
2007 Lincoln Navigator: Lincoln revamped its large SUV for 2007, giving it updated exterior styling and an extended-wheelbase model. Navigator, a dressed-up version of Ford's similarly- changed '07 Expedition, came in a standard-length version and the new-for-'07 Navigator L.
2008 Lincoln Navigator: The 2008 Lincoln Navigator got a revised model lineup following its 2007 revamp. Luxury and Ultimate models were discontinued. Newly standard were a power liftgate and heated/cooled front seats.
2009 Lincoln Navigator: Newly standard on the 2009 Navigator were front-obstacle detection, Ford's Sync voice-activated interface for cell phones and MP3 players, heated 2nd-row seats, and a rearview camera. Also newly standard was Ford's EasyFuel capless fuel filler, which allowed owners to refill their gas tanks without having to remove a cap.



Consumer Guide® Road-Test Evaluation
Performance is competitive with most rivals. A Navigator feels brisk off the line, and delivers better-than-adequate passing power. A test 4WD Premium Navigator accelerated to 60 mph in 9.7 seconds. Actually, the lighter, 260-hp Expedition is about as quick. An AWD Cadillac Escalade feels stronger, with 345 horsepower for similar weight. Lincoln's smooth automatic transmission provides timely gear changes. As for fuel economy, an extended-use 4WD Ultimate averaged 13 mpg. A test 4WD Premium model averaged just 12.2 mpg, including gas-eating performance tests. Lincoln recommends premium-grade fuel. Navigators serve as steady, solid highway cruisers. Four-wheel-drive models smooth out most pavement well enough, aided by large tires and the independent rear suspension. Still, some body drumming on railroad tracks and other rough surfaces is evident. Steering feel and precision are almost carlike, with fine straightline stability and a relatively tight turning circle. However, all but gentle curves trigger nose plow and body lean that bespeak a big, heavy truck. Roll Stability Control should enhance stability. Little nosedive has been noted in simulated 60-mph emergency stops, but test distances have been a bit long. Brake-pedal action has varied from touchy yet spongy to natural and easily modulated. Navigators are generally quiet and satisfyingly refined. Wind rush may be noticed above 50 mph, but tire thrum is moderate. The engine sounds strained in brisk takeoffs and midrange passing sprints, but is otherwise subdued. Interior ambience benefits from rich-looking leather and wood, plus a stylish dashboard. However, "brushed metal" panels are painted plastic, and, like some switchgear, feel cheap. Minor controls are mostly handy and intuitive, but many markings are too small. No transmission gear-selection indicator is included in the main instrument panel. Power-window controls are placed on the center console. With a navigation system, the CD changer is inconveniently buried in the front passenger footwell. Power-seat switches are difficult to reach with doors closed. The navigation system's screen is easy to read and reasonably easy to use, with familiarization. Front space and support are ample for even the largest occupants, though front-seat armrests would improve long-trip comfort. A tall build prevents the driver from seeing much near the vehicle. The standard obstacle-warning system partly compensates, as do large door mirrors that tilt down when selecting Reverse. Optional power side steps on the Ultimate help ease high step-in. The available second-row bench fits three adults, but all positions are narrowly defined by seatbelt buckles. The bench's middle section slides forward 11 inches for child-seat access, but there's no center armrest. Second-row buckets are more substantially padded than the Expedition's, but still offer no abundance of leg room. The third row offers best-in-class space on a chair-height bench, though the cushion could be longer and softer. Third-row head room in the Ultimate is compromised somewhat by the power liftgate mechanism. Cargo space is skimpy behind the third row, ample with it down, and cavernous and usefully flat with all rear seats dropped. Second-row seats have high-effort flip-forward releases and lack counterbalancing for their poorly leveraged weight. Manual third-row seat releases are a long stretch from the rear, with the seat lowered. The power third-row seat raises and lowers conveniently via buttons at the rear and middle of the vehicle. Although the liftgate opens tall enough to clear a six-footer's head, it's difficult to pull down manually, and not easily reached by short people. The Ultimate's power liftgate operates from the cabin or keyfob.
Value for the Money
Frankly, the related Ford Expedition offers much the same driving experience and utility, for less money than Lincoln's version. Still, unique power features and good road manners make the Navigator a credible player among high-end SUVs.


Expert Ratings Summary
Category Luxury 4WD Rating
Performance  4 
Fuel Economy  2 
Ride Quality  6 
Steering/Handling/Braking  4 
Quietness  6 
Controls/Materials  5 
Interior Room  9 
Room/Comfort (rear)  8 
Cargo Capacity  9 
Value within Class  3 
Total Score:

Trouble Spots
Consumer Guide's® Auto Editors have scoured repair bulletins and questioned mechanics to search for commonly occurring problems for a particular vehicle. In some cases we also give possible manufacturer-suggested solutions. In many instances these trouble spots are Technical Service Bulletins posted by the manufacturer, however, we have our own expert looking at additional vehicle problems.


Air conditioner: The air conditioner may intermittently quit working during cruising due to icing of the evaporator requiring installation of a thermostatic switch. (2003-04)


Brake wear: The original equipment brake pads cause excessive dust and revised pads with a different lining material are available, but must be installed on both the front and rear and are not covered by the original warranty. (2003-04)


Clutch: The rear wheels may chatter during low speed turns requiring installation of a revised clutch pack in the limited slip differential. (2003-05)


Electrical problem: The automatic height leveling system my malfunction due to sensor link arms disconnecting at their ball studs for which revised parts are available. (2003-06)


Headlights: Water may accumulate in the headlight assembly requiring the seam between the plastic halves to be sealed with RTV silicone sealant. If this has been done, black tape to hide the repair will be visible on top. (2003)


Mirrors: The outside mirror on the driver's side may spontaneously fold in due to faulty module in driver's seat. (2007)


Rear wipers: The battery may go dead because the rear wiper does not cycle to its parked position due to rusty pivot, but keeps attempting to do so. (2003-07)


Seat: The climate controlled seats may quit working due to a glitch in the control module. (2006)


Security alarm: The retractable running boards my not extend or may do so intermittently because mud or other debris may collect in their tracks, but the problem may be due to failure of the motor or linkage or a problem with the vehicle security system. (2003-04)


Spark plugs: Spark plugs tend to break off in the cylinder heads on 5.4L, 3-valve engine often requiring costly head removal. (2004-05)


Suspension noise: Vibration, often accompanied by a droning sound, comes from the front halfshafts (axles) during deceleration due to unequal rotational speeds requiring installation of clutch springs in the front differential. (2003)
Consumer Guide® Estimated Repair Costs
This table lists costs of likely repairs for comparison with other vehicles. The dollar amount includes the cost of the part(s) and labor (based on $50 per hour) for the typical repair without extras or add-ons. Like the pricing information, replacement costs can vary widely depending on region. Expect charges at a new-car dealership to be slightly higher.
Item Name Repair Cost
A/C Compressor $320
Alternator $290
Automatic Transmission or Transaxle $2,010
Brakes $250
Clutch, Pressure Plate, Bearing $0
Constant Velocity Joints $1,600
Exhaust System $480
Radiator $400
Shocks and/or Struts $1,290
Timing Chain or Belt $950



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« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2010, 06:38:42 AM »
Do you live in the midwest or a city without a subway system?
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« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2010, 08:45:21 PM »
Thanks guys, I live in Toronto.. one of the world's largest metropolitan areas, in a house with my wife, I have 2 cars and a motorcycle, she has 1..  hers is slowly going it's a 2001 Sentra , Nissan.. I  have a mid size SUV from 2003 that she will get and I was gonna buy a 06,07 Navigator..  car is absolutely essential in this city, we have a great subway system but I meet a lot of company heads out of town since they pay much less for land out there and most of their R & D departments are situated 30-40 min out of the city.

thanks for the advices and keep them coming!

I wanted initially an RX330-350 but there are very few used ones and new the payments would kill me.

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« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2010, 08:58:20 PM »
Thinking of purchasing a '06 , '07 Lincoln Navigator...

a) Does anyone here drive one of these ? - would love to hear from a first hand owner..

2)what are the general problems these cars experience? all cars have certain sets of things that just fail or go wrong at some time..

ie. lot's of 90's nad 2000's gm cars had problems with water heater, etc.

3) How expensive is maintenance on one of these things? is it worth getting it? I'm by no means a thug or wannabe rapper, but I like large comfortable suv's ..

so for the owners, or anyone in your family has one..plz ask questions and get some answers..

basically is tihs a good, reliable car to get?

and please no idiotic comments like 'ig you're spending that much why don't you just buy a bentley gt' lol

let's keep this realistic.
Dumb purchase.... sorry there are better SUV's out there.

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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2010, 09:03:31 PM »

Look its a fun car, a joy to drive, but its not cheap to maintain!

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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2010, 09:07:53 PM »
Come to think of it, are there any Canadian built cars?

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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2010, 09:17:08 PM »
Come to think of it, are there any Canadian built cars?

 Canadians ride around in metal boxes with a bunch of dogs pulling them.

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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2010, 11:33:52 PM »
Is there a handy cliff nearby, perchance?

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« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2010, 11:52:45 PM »
Apparently it has rear main seal problems, I had talked to a woman who owned one, and she had problems with the rear main seal and was told that there issues with that.

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« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2010, 11:57:00 PM »
 I'm all about buying a cheap car and using my money on better things.

 I don't really give a fuck about trying to impress people with my possessions though.

 Just give me a Toyota that will run well for 15 years and i'm set.

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« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2010, 12:05:51 AM »
Are you heading to Vegas Equipose?
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« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2010, 09:19:10 AM »
Are you heading to Vegas Equipose?

 Yes, when my fractured knee heals up and I can walk :)

will keep you in the loop don't worry.

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« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2010, 10:09:26 AM »
My last 3 SUVs have been TOyotas and the one before that was a Nissan Pathfinder.  Before we got this last Toyota I test drove a bunch of diff. vehicles and when I drove the Toyota even though I don't like the new body style, I knew it was the one.

You never know what will happen but I have a lot of confidence in it's reliability which is most important to me.  The Nissan was a very good car too but that was a couple designs ago I think.



I rented a Nissan Armada  once - that thing was a BEAST and a half!!! lol

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« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2010, 10:11:30 AM »
My honest opinion is that a car is superfluous and unnecessary, especially if you live in a big city (such as you do) but that is just my opinion.  :)
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« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2010, 10:15:13 AM »
My honest opinion is that a car is superfluous and unnecessary, especially if you live in a big city (such as you do) but that is just my opinion.  :)

Those of us who lives in the real world need cars..If i didn't have a car, i would have to waste about 3.5 hours a day on public transportation.

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« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2010, 11:14:07 AM »
Those of us who lives in the real world need cars..If i didn't have a car, i would have to waste about 3.5 hours a day on public transportation.

x2 Toronto is a huge city with 5+ million residents..it's about an hour drive from one end to the city to the other..if not longer, this isn't some little european town with 4,000 people living there.

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« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2010, 11:17:49 AM »
x2 Toronto is a huge city with 5+ million residents..it's about an hour drive from one end to the city to the other..if not longer, this isn't some little european town with 4,000 people living there.


Whats your budget on the navigator? if you don't mind me asking.  Maybe we can give you some more ideas?


You have a big family?  or lots of friends?  Navigator was fun because it had that third couch, my friends would jump in and there'd be like 9 of us riding and going out LOL

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« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2010, 02:40:29 AM »
Whats your budget on the navigator? if you don't mind me asking.  Maybe we can give you some more ideas?


You have a big family?  or lots of friends?  Navigator was fun because it had that third couch, my friends would jump in and there'd be like 9 of us riding and going out LOL

I want to spend about 30k, just me and wife but probably little ones in few years.

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« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2010, 02:49:55 AM »
x2 Toronto is a huge city with 5+ million residents..it's about an hour drive from one end to the city to the other..if not longer, this isn't some little european town with 4,000 people living there.

I was in and through there just last week. I like what you guys have done with the place, but it must have taken you a while to put those two million orange barrels in place.

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« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2010, 08:23:32 AM »
If you want a nice SUV but not super large like Navigator, I bought my wife a Subaru Tribecca. Great car,all leather, Navigation, and DVD player. Also has third row. Gas mileage is ok, 18 mpg but I have a 3 & 6 yr old kids and again DVD Player and leather, great for stains.....

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« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2010, 08:34:33 AM »
Those of us who lives in the real world need cars..If i didn't have a car, i would have to waste about 3.5 hours a day on public transportation.

Unfortunately that is true. I have a 10 min drive to work, or a 45 min bus ride. Were it not for the inclement Canadian weather I could bike to work year round, which still only takes 15-20 min.
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