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The way we raise our children: all wrong
« on: November 02, 2010, 05:12:49 AM »
Now, this will be some unconventional stuff you are hearing. My basic premise is that we raise our children in a fantasy world composed of a bubble and that bubble bursts upon achieving adulthood, not always but often. When I talk about fantasy I am not referring to religious delusion, I am referring to the kind that is universally accepted by just about everyone. You know the sort; 'you can do anything if you try hard enough', as the base example. We shower our kids with delusion from the moment they are born, creating a world for them that has virtually nothing to do with the adult world. Growing up in large part consists of coming to terms with the fact that the world is not as 'rosy' as many parents had told and created for their children. Indeed, for the most part it consists of disillusionment as one comes to terms with the fact that the world is often brutish, nasty, unfair and just overall unpleasant. We think to shield our children from this reality by mollycoddling them within a fantasy world but the truth is most children suffer a rather vicious shock when entering young adulthood as all the fantasies they were told dissolve and they are not left with the cognitive tools to deal with reality as it is. What I am proposing is not that children should not be shown love and affection but that in showing those things, it be coupled with a healthy dose of reality so for example the next time little Timmy says he wants to become an astronaut, you tell him all the requirements that go into that (aeronautical engineering, years of study, etc.); make children aware that the outside world bears no resemblance whatsoever to the illusory world you have created for them and that when exiting the parental bubble they will be confronted with that world on a daily basis.
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Re: The way we raise our children: all wrong
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2010, 05:24:15 AM »
Now, this will be some unconventional stuff you are hearing. My basic premise is that we raise our children in a fantasy world composed of a bubble and that bubble bursts upon achieving adulthood, not always but often.
When I talk about fantasy I am not referring to religious delusion, I am referring to the kind that is universally accepted by just about everyone. You know the sort; 'you can do anything if you try hard enough', as the base example. We shower our kids with delusion from the moment they are born, creating a world for them that has virtually nothing to do with the adult world.

Growing up in large part consists of coming to terms with the fact that the world is not as 'rosy' as many parents had told and created for their children. Indeed, for the most part it consists of disillusionment as one comes to terms with the fact that the world is often brutish, nasty, unfair and just overall unpleasant.
We think to shield our children from this reality by mollycoddling them within a fantasy world but the truth is most children suffer a rather vicious shock when entering young adulthood as all the fantasies they were told dissolve and they are not left with the cognitive tools to deal with reality as it is.

What I am proposing is not that children should not be shown love and affection but that in showing those things, it be coupled with a healthy dose of reality so for example the next time little Timmy says he wants to become an astronaut, you tell him all the requirements that go into that (aeronautical engineering, years of study, etc.); make children aware that the outside world bears no resemblance whatsoever to the illusory world you have created for them and that when exiting the parental bubble they will be confronted with that world on a daily basis

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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2010, 05:28:48 AM »
Eh, pratter du Svenska? ???

Now, this will be some unconventional stuff you are hearing. My basic premise is that we raise our children in a fantasy world composed of a bubble and that bubble bursts upon achieving adulthood, not always but often.
When I talk about fantasy I am not referring to religious delusion, I am referring to the kind that is universally accepted by just about everyone. You know the sort; 'you can do anything if you try hard enough', as the base example. We shower our kids with delusion from the moment they are born, creating a world for them that has virtually nothing to do with the adult world.

Growing up in large part consists of coming to terms with the fact that the world is not as 'rosy' as many parents had told and created for their children. Indeed, for the most part it consists of disillusionment as one comes to terms with the fact that the world is often brutish, nasty, unfair and just overall unpleasant.
We think to shield our children from this reality by mollycoddling them within a fantasy world but the truth is most children suffer a rather vicious shock when entering young adulthood as all the fantasies they were told dissolve and they are not left with the cognitive tools to deal with reality as it is.

What I am proposing is not that children should not be shown love and affection but that in showing those things, it be coupled with a healthy dose of reality so for example the next time little Timmy says he wants to become an astronaut, you tell him all the requirements that go into that (aeronautical engineering, years of study, etc.); make children aware that the outside world bears no resemblance whatsoever to the illusory world you have created for them and that when exiting the parental bubble they will be confronted with that world on a daily basis
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« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2010, 05:38:37 AM »
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Re: The way we raise our children: all wrong
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2010, 07:45:01 AM »
Do either of you have kids ???

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« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2010, 07:46:54 AM »
Do either of you have kids ???

Don't need to have children to come to this conclusion.

Childhood=delusion and illusion>Adulthood=freeing oneself from those delusions and illusions
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Re: The way we raise our children: all wrong
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2010, 07:47:01 AM »
you mean raising children to wage wars is wrong?  you just now got that?

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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2010, 07:48:44 AM »
you mean raising children to wage wars is wrong?  you just now got that?

Uh, that too is wrong but that is not what I wrote.
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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2010, 07:50:00 AM »
Don't need to have children to come to this conclusion.

Childhood=delusion and illusion>Adulthood=freeing oneself from those delusions and illusions




So you're just gonna lump all parenting together ???

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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2010, 07:51:04 AM »



So you're just gonna lump all parenting together ???

No, not all of them but it is commonly accepted as a way to raise children that feeding them fairy tales about themselves and the world is a healthy thing.
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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2010, 07:58:43 AM »
No, not all of them but it is commonly accepted as a way to raise children that feeding them fairy tales about themselves and the world is a healthy thing.


Hell I know nothing about kids.don't even like the little bastards but I can imagine as a parent you would want to protect them from the "evils' in the world.so I can see how a parent would act that way.

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« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2010, 07:59:02 AM »
Uh, that too is wrong but that is not what I wrote.

I'm just saying till that is dealt with we're going to have a pretty fucked up planet regardless.

The rest of parenting mistakes are bad enough though. Many realizes they are just children themselves.



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« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2010, 07:59:36 AM »

Hell I know nothing about kids.don't even like the little bastards but I can imagine as a parent you would want to protect them from the "evils' in the world.so I can see how a parent would act that way.

Sure but there are better ways.
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« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2010, 08:02:18 AM »
Deicide should go into motivational speaking...... :-\

And if you ever have kids, I highly doubt you will be so forthright....."Yeah, Johnny you are not very attractive and have limited mental capabilities. You should quit sports because you suck.....and I'm really not proud of you, so much as, I'm obligated to say I am.... Now go out into the real world and kick some ass!"

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« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2010, 08:02:33 AM »
Sure but there are better ways.



Not saying there arn't.but you and I don't have a baby in our hands that relies on us.


.....might be a different story for you if you did is what I'm trying to say.

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« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2010, 08:06:00 AM »
Deicide should go into motivational speaking...... :-\

And if you ever have kids, I highly doubt you will be so forthright....."Yeah, Johnny you are not very attractive and have limited mental capabilities. You should quit sports because you suck.....and I'm really not proud of you, so much as, I'm obligated to say I am.... Now go out into the real world and kick some ass!"

What's the alternative? and you are a bit too harsh there, it shouldn't be put that way.
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Re: The way we raise our children: all wrong
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2010, 08:09:50 AM »
What's the alternative? and you are a bit too harsh there, it shouldn't be put that way.

i think the key thing is just to encourage kids....not unrealistically, but lets say that they show an ability to excel at something....give them every opportunity to follow up on that.  If they just really like doing something, but aren't all that great at it, who cares?  Let them be kids.  And if they don't like something and they suck at it, encourage them to go into a different direction.

In many ways kids grow up waaaaaay too quickly in the modern world....too much exposure to things they aren't mentally ready to handle....but in other ways they are sooooo far behind where our parents and grandparents were....for example responsibility. 

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« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2010, 08:09:56 AM »
Now, this will be some unconventional stuff you are hearing. My basic premise is that we raise our children in a fantasy world composed of a bubble and that bubble bursts upon achieving adulthood, not always but often. When I talk about fantasy I am not referring to religious delusion, I am referring to the kind that is universally accepted by just about everyone. You know the sort; 'you can do anything if you try hard enough', as the base example. We shower our kids with delusion from the moment they are born, creating a world for them that has virtually nothing to do with the adult world. Growing up in large part consists of coming to terms with the fact that the world is not as 'rosy' as many parents had told and created for their children. Indeed, for the most part it consists of disillusionment as one comes to terms with the fact that the world is often brutish, nasty, unfair and just overall unpleasant. We think to shield our children from this reality by mollycoddling them within a fantasy world but the truth is most children suffer a rather vicious shock when entering young adulthood as all the fantasies they were told dissolve and they are not left with the cognitive tools to deal with reality as it is. What I am proposing is not that children should not be shown love and affection but that in showing those things, it be coupled with a healthy dose of reality so for example the next time little Timmy says he wants to become an astronaut, you tell him all the requirements that go into that (aeronautical engineering, years of study, etc.); make children aware that the outside world bears no resemblance whatsoever to the illusory world you have created for them and that when exiting the parental bubble they will be confronted with that world on a daily basis.

One thing for sure: Your parents have failed miserably.

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Re: The way we raise our children: all wrong
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2010, 08:12:16 AM »
One thing for sure: Your parents have failed miserably.

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« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2010, 08:14:44 AM »
Und wie kommst du darauf?

Cause you're a pseudo intellectual, miserable, bitter failure with low self-esteem, who might have a certain level of intelligence but isn't able to use it and so remains dysfunctional in most aspects of life.

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« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2010, 08:22:55 AM »
Cause you're a pseudo intellectual, miserable, bitter failure with low self-esteem, who might have a certain level of intelligence but isn't able to use it and so remains dysfunctional in most aspects of life.

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« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2010, 08:37:24 AM »
Cause you're a pseudo intellectual, miserable, bitter failure with low self-esteem, who might have a certain level of intelligence but isn't able to use it and so remains dysfunctional in most aspects of life.

Ich bin ueberhaupt nicht elend. Frueher vielleicht schon, aber man kann sich aendern. Waehrend meiner 20er hat das zum Teil wohl zugetroffen, jetzt aber nicht mehr.  Ich bin heutzutage mehr oder weniger zufrieden.
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Re: The way we raise our children: all wrong
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2010, 08:44:40 AM »

Hell I know nothing about kids.don't even like the little bastards but I can imagine as a parent you would want to protect them from the "evils' in the world.so I can see how a parent would act that way.
spot on, let the kids have fantasies and let them be kids. the grow accustom slowly about how the world works so they wont get a chock when they grow up. and if they suck at a sport let them suck, as long they have fun while doing it. if your kid want to be a astronaut, let them dream about it cause in a couple of weeks they have changes there minds and want to be firemen. My 2 year old princess lives in a protected fantasyworld as you call it and i wouldn't want it any way. let kids be kids and have dreams even if they are unrealistic


did anyone here got a chock when they grew up and learned that the world is a evil place? i dont think many did

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« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2010, 08:46:47 AM »
spot on, let the kids have fantasies and let them be kids. the grow accustom slowly about how the world works so they wont get a chock when they grow up. and if they suck at a sport let them suck, as long they have fun while doing it. if your kid want to be a astronaut, let them dream about it cause in a couple of weeks they have changes there minds and want to be firemen. My 2 year old princess lives in a protected fantasyworld as you call it and i wouldn't want it any way. let kids be kids and have dreams even if they are unrealistic


did anyone here got a chock when they grew up and learned that the world is a evil place? i dont think many did

Tons of people did and that is the point. As a child you never learn that people manipulate you, lie to you, exploit you, etc. It is very hard to adjust to this if you aren't aware of this stuff.
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