Generally speaking, potential for strength gains is greater than for mass gains

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in your average individual.

Agree or disagree?

I have certainly found that to be the case with me. Over the years I have gotten stronger but made very little progress mass wise despite eating tons at timea; strength went up but I didn't notice any great changes in body composition.

What has been your experience?

[benchmstr]

i agree that if you eat too much bacon before going to the gym you have a shitty workout...

bench

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i agree that if you eat too much bacon before going to the gym you have a shitty workout...

bench

Do you agree with my overall premise?

[benchmstr]

Do you agree with my overall premise?

havent read it.....i was going to when i clicked on the thread...but i lost interest

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[Cleanest Natural]

Do you suffer from LDS ? serious question

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Do you suffer from LDS ? serious question

Not to my knowledge.

What has your experience been?

[flinstones1]

I dont know anyone who can bench 405 for 10 who isnt decently big.

[benchmstr]

Do you agree with my overall premise?

ok...after reading it i kinda agree....i cant fully agree simply cause everyone is different...(hence food allergies)

for instance....my arms were weak at there biggest compared to how they are now several inches smaller....i guess it just depends how far you take it....and what type of muscle you given is made of..

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I dont know anyone who can bench 405 for 10 who isnt decently big.

Well, ok, at those weights but for normal people who can't even bench 405 for one...what do you think?

[benchmstr]

I dont know anyone who can bench 405 for 10 who isnt decently big.

ever been to a pwerlifting meet?

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[cyp200la]

agree

[andreisdaman]

in your average individual.

Agree or disagree?

I have certainly found that to be the case with me. Over the years I have gotten stronger but made very little progress mass wise despite eating tons at timea; strength went up but I didn't notice any great changes in body composition.

What has been your experience?

I agree with this..strength has gone up over the years but I basically stay the same....I'm somewhat bigger than a few years ago but in general I haven't changed physically the way I would have liked to ....

[flinstones1]

ever been to a pwerlifting meet?

bench

yes numerous ones. I have competed in powerlifting before and totaled over 1000 raw at the age of 16. Trust me there is nobody who goes from benching 135 pound bench press to 500 pound raw bench, who takes drugs, who isnt somewhat big if they take nutrition seriously. Seen the size of Matt Kroc?

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I agree with this..strength has gone up over the years but I basically stay the same....I'm somewhat bigger than a few years ago but in general I haven't changed physically the way I would have liked to ....

The more I talk to guys the more this seems to be a common experience for many of us. I think the people who get bigger and bigger as well as stronger are in the genetic elite.

[Cleanest Natural]

Not to my knowledge.

What has your experience been?

I have never had it

I might be wrong but u seem that type of guy

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I have never had it

I might be wrong but u seem that type of guy

Actually I was referring to strength vs. size. What has been your experience?

[Cleanest Natural]

Actually I was referring to strength vs. size. What has been your experience?

are u a fondler or a fondleree ?

[_bruce_]

Depends on how strong you are - properly programmed or really strong in the flesh... or both.

[Boost]

Some guys just are not built to be big OR strong

If you've got thin wrists and poor forearms,

your best bet is to get as lean as possible.

Bulking up does nothing for these people

[WillGrant]

in your average individual.

Agree or disagree?

I have certainly found that to be the case with me. Over the years I have gotten stronger but made very little progress mass wise despite eating tons at timea; strength went up but I didn't notice any great changes in body composition.

What has been your experience?

What rep ranges are you talking about ?

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What rep ranges are you talking about ?

Hmm...I guess anywhere from 6-10.

[Boost]

Hmm...I guess anywhere from 6-10.

Have you tried faster paced, less time between sets,

"Pump" workouts. Could work for you.

Obviously progressive strength gains are not working for you

[flinstones1]

Some guys just are not built to be big OR strong

If you've got thin wrists and poor forearms,

your best bet is to get as lean as possible.

Bulking up does nothing for these people

This is true and misleading. I mean of course benig realistic is required but an ectomorph who is huge and ripped looks diesel as fuck. Your right though that these guys will rarely lift huge weights cause their structure wont allow for it. Arnold hardly benched 405. But I do know some huge guys who started out extremely small jointed and ecto but it required alot more abuse then most woul need when it comes to drugs

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Have you tried faster paced, less time between sets,

"Pump" workouts. Could work for you.

Obviously progressive strength gains are not working for you

No, progressive strength gains did and do work. I increased my deadlift this year by almost 100lbs but I never got any new muscle. That is what I am talking about.

[BIG ACH]

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Whats your bodybuilding/weight lifting history? 

Eating history?

traiing history?

strategy? etc etc?