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Obama’s turn to change
By A.B. Stoddard - 11/03/10 08:15 PM ET


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What is the most damaging — Democrats losing control in the House, the GOP falling short of control in the Senate, the decimated ranks of centrist and conservative Democrats, the coming investigations, the loss of 19 state legislatures to the Republicans, who will now have a lock on redistricting, or the flight of independents, women and suburban voters to the GOP? For President Obama, preparing a reelection campaign for 2012, it would be hard to imagine a worse outcome to the 2010 midterm elections.

Democrats have now vacated the South and the Midwest, and Republicans have reclaimed territory Obama won in 2008, including Pennsylvania, Florida, Indiana, North Carolina, Virginia, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin. The election shrank the Obama coalition that won in 2008, with women, independents, Roman Catholics and suburban voters all trending away from Democrats. Seniors showed up in high numbers, and a majority of them voted for Republicans.

Rural areas represented by Blue Dog Democrats were wiped out, making them much harder for Obama to win in 2012. Moreover, the loss of those conservative Democrats, combined with a GOP takeover, will make Democrats remaining in Congress — liberals in safe, mostly urban seats — likely even tougher on Obama and more confrontational in the next two years.

Polls continue to confirm that what began as a problem for Obama in his primary battle against Hillary Clinton in 2008 — the lack of support among working-class white voters — has only grown worse. A recent Associated Press-GfK poll found that white voters without four-year college degrees now support Republicans by 22 points, twice the margin they did in the 2006 and 2008 elections.

A majority of voters oppose the healthcare reform law and punished Democrats who supported it. Republicans in Congress plan to de-fund as much as they can of the law, and any Democrats remaining from swing districts will be inclined to join Republicans to support at least some, if not all, of the rescissions.

Beyond joining with Republicans to pass spending cuts, and additional tax cuts, education reform is likely the only issue fellow Democrats would like to see President Obama push in 2011. Any ideas on energy reform that have already been rejected not only by Republicans but by Democrats, even when they had more votes, are out of the question — just ask Sens. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), Jim Webb (D-Va.), Jon Tester (D-Mont.), Ben Nelson (D-Neb.), Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) and other Democrats up for reelection in 2012. Immigration reform that couples earned legalization with border security? Forget it.

Finally, the 2010 midterms showed that the flood of outside money is only just beginning. After succeeding in spending more than $50 million on the midterm elections in 2010, conservative groups that harnessed the power of deep pockets supporting Republicans with the ability to raise funds in secret plan to aim their firepower at the presidential election in 2012. Obama — who has pushed for the passage of the Disclose Act to require more transparency — will find himself drowning, at a severe financial disadvantage should he not reverse direction so that groups on the Democratic side can hit up their own allies for large donations as well.

With forces such as these at play, the White House can no longer rely on the hope that the Republicans nominate a weak candidate and the economy improves. President Obama can’t get reelected campaigning on college campuses. He will have to realize that the voters are asking him for a change, but this time they don’t want the country to change, they want him to change. To do that he must adjust, or he will lose.

Stoddard is an associate editor of The Hill.

www.thehill.com






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Still in complete denial that the nation can't stand and the far left any more? 

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65 House seats - TSUNAMI

19 State Legislatures - TSUNAMI

Many Governors - TSUNAMI 


Mal - I don't think you realize just howe wide, deep and large this loss was.  Sure, you can look at ODonnell and Angle - thats cool - but other than those and Maybe the Gov races in NY and Cali - Obama's electoral map for 2012 was obliterated.   

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I keep hearing that Obama won't run in 2012

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I keep hearing that Obama won't run in 2012

I am not convinced he wants to run either.  He seems to hate the job, however, he seems grealty in love with the perks.   

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Still in complete denial that the nation can't stand and the far left any more? 

I'm shocked that they went from one extreme to the other more than anything.

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I'm shocked that they went from one extreme to the other more than anything.

No they didnt - Obama ran as a centrist and promismed to be mainstream.   He basically lied his way into office and fooled people. 

If he ran on the platform of what he has done since being potus, Mcxcain would have won handily. 

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No they didnt - Obama ran as a centrist and promismed to be mainstream.   He basically lied his way into office and fooled people. 

If he ran on the platform of what he has done since being potus, Mcxcain would have won handily. 


Yes they did... I agree that Obama went WAAAAY left, but if you think that the Tea Party is anything other than WAAAAY right, then I've got news for you.

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Yes they did... I agree that Obama went WAAAAY left, but if you think that the Tea Party is anything other than WAAAAY right, then I've got news for you.

The Tea party is way right but guess what - 40% of the population according to Gallup classify themselves as Conservative while only 20% liberal. 

obama did not run as a liberal, but as a Bill Clinton Democrat. 

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Yes they did... I agree that Obama went WAAAAY left, but if you think that the Tea Party is anything other than WAAAAY right, then I've got news for you.

The tea party is right,no doubt about it,but the candidates that ran and won are not extremists at all.Its Obama and Reid and Pelosi who are the extremists,not the Rubios or Pauls.We have allowed the media to determine what is far right and they donr speak for the vast majority of the country.The two coasts look at conservatives as extreme,but I moved from CT to Indiana and in Indiana,what considered extreme right in CT is just normal here.

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The Tea party is way right but guess what - 40% of the population according to Gallup classify themselves as Conservative while only 20% liberal. 

obama did not run as a liberal, but as a Bill Clinton Democrat. 

The left-right paradigm is all a figment of the imagination.

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The left-right paradigm is all a figment of the imagination.

I'm not disagreeing with the reality of it - but the overall perception of politics this cycle.   

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The Tea party is way right but guess what - 40% of the population according to Gallup classify themselves as Conservative while only 20% liberal.  

obama did not run as a liberal, but as a Bill Clinton Democrat.  

Bill Clinton was pretty damn liberal if I recall... That's why he lost the House in 96 right?

The tea party is right,no doubt about it,but the candidates that ran and won are not extremists at all.Its Obama and Reid and Pelosi who are the extremists,not the Rubios or Pauls.We have allowed the media to determine what is far right and they donr speak for the vast majority of the country.The two coasts look at conservatives as extreme,but I moved from CT to Indiana and in Indiana,what considered extreme right in CT is just normal here.

I'm not disagreeing... I find a lot of people around California to be very extremely liberal. I'm originally from Virginia, so I understand what you're saying.

I have no problem with the people who ran and won, However, if they turn into damn Jesus freaks, then you can bet your ass there will be another blacklash in a few years, that's all I'm saying.

My biggest problem with the Tea Party is that they are really the same, they just say they aren't.

Ask them which of the Big 3 US budget items they will cut and you'll get the same answer... They won't.


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Bill Clinton was pretty damn liberal if I recall... That's why he lost the House in 96 right?

I'm not disagreeing... I find a lot of people around California to be very extremely liberal. I'm originally from Virginia, so I understand what you're saying.

I have no problem with the people who ran and won, However, if they turn into damn Jesus freaks, then you can bet your ass there will be another blacklash in a few years, that's all I'm saying.

My biggest problem with the Tea Party is that they are really the same, they just say they aren't.

Ask them which of the Big 3 US budget items they will cut and you'll get the same answer... They won't.



clinton lost congress in 1994 as a result of the AWB and HillaryCare.  He did not have the majorities Obama did, but after the beatdown he got - he moved right.  Remember:  "The Era of Big Govt is over"  ? ? 

Clinton was not a radical in the sense that Obama is.  Obama is a true believer and would rather go down with the ship than give up his agenda.   

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clinton lost congress in 1994 as a result of the AWB and HillaryCare.  He did not have the majorities Obama did, but after the beatdown he got - he moved right.  Remember:  "The Era of Big Govt is over"  ? ? 

Clinton was not a radical in the sense that Obama is.  Obama is a true believer and would rather go down with the ship than give up his agenda.   
If that's the case, then fine, let him go down... No problem. It doesn't bother me.

Yes, I remember watching Newt march down the aisle in 94.

I am fine with Big government going down, but it won't. These guys still refuse to cut Defense, Social Security, or Medicare. The top the 3 spends which are like 85% of the budget if I recall.


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If that's the case, then fine, let him go down... No problem. It doesn't bother me.

Yes, I remember watching Newt march down the aisle in 94.

I am fine with Big government going down, but it won't. These guys still refuse to cut Defense, Social Security, or Medicare. The top the 3 spends which are like 85% of the budget if I recall.




I agree - i am disgusted with both parties in that respect.  Check this out

www.usdebtclock.org


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I agree - i am disgusted with both parties in that respect.  Check this out

www.usdebtclock.org



Have you notice the new Time machine feature...

It's predicting a 17.5 Trillion hole by 2015 :o

http://www.usdebtclock.org/2015.html

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Have you notice the new Time machine feature...

It's predicting a 17.5 Trillion hole by 2015 :o

http://www.usdebtclock.org/2015.html

Not bad at all.   ;D

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Mal - you are in utter denial as to the wrecking ball that was delivered on top of obamas head on teusday.  .

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Nov. 4, 2010
www.abcnews.com


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Republicans gained a historic edge over Democrats in
state legislature elections that will have national
implications for years to come.

State legislatures in 44 states are responsible for one
of the most important political processes: drawing
district boundaries for the U.S. House of
Representatives.

In a process that usually triggers partisan bickering,
the reigning party usually has the upper hand,
especially if the governor is also from the same party
and cannot veto the legislature's decisions.

Republicans took control of at least 19 Democratic-
controlled state legislatures Tuesday and gained
more than 650 seats, according to the National
Conference of State Legislatures. The last time
Republicans saw such victories was in 1994, when
they captured control of 20 state legislatures.

Republicans haven't controlled as many state
legislatures since 1928.


Across the country, the map for state legislatures has
turned noticeably red as Republicans now control 55
chambers, with Democrats at 38 and the remaining
yet to be decided. At the beginning of this week,
Democrats controlled 60 of the country's state
legislative chambers and Republicans 36.

Tuesday also was a historic day for many state
legislatures. In Minnesota, Republicans won the
Senate for the first time ever, while in Alabama, they
took control for the first time since reconstruction.

The gains were truly of "historic proportions," said
Tim Storey, a senior fellow at the National Conference
of State Legislatures, pointing out that the last time
there was such a wave of state legislature switches
was 1966.



"Everything moved in the direction of the GOP," Storey
said. "I think Republicans are in the best position for
redistricting they have been in since the modern
 redistricting era began in 1962. And they really have
kind of a decided advantage now with the big wins."


The redistricting process that occurs once every
decade when the Census is released usually tends to
favor the party in power.

Redistricting is important because it not only
determines the number of seats a state will get in the
U.S. House of Representatives, it also creates
boundaries for educational and public institutions.

When the process begins next year, it will mean a big
boon for Republicans, who, in addition to state
legislatures, also won key governorships.

GOP gubernatorial candidates won races where
redistricting battles will be fought most heavily next
year such as Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania.

All other signs also point to a victorious redistricting
year for Republicans. In states like Florida, which is
expected to gain two House seats, and Texas, which
is projected to up its number by four, Republicans
maintained their majorities.

Redistricting -- or "gerrymandering," as it's often
called by critics because of a salamander-shaped
district created by Massachusetts Gov. Elbridge Gerry
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 in 1812 -- is a bitter political process with high
stakes for both parties.

"You can win a number of seats just by controlling
the boundary," said Darrell West, vice president and
director of governance studies at The Brookings
Institution.

In an effort to reform the system, California on
Tuesday voted to pass a proposition that will test the
power of independent commissions formed solely for
the purpose of drawing district lines.

A ballot initiative in 2008 created the 14-member
California Citizens Redistricting Commission that
would be responsible for drawing up state legislative d
istrict lines. The commission would require nine
votes to enact a plan, three each from Republicans,
Democrats and third parties.

On Tuesday, Californians passed Proposition 20,
which would expand the commission's task to include
congressional district boundaries.

The commission, the first of its kind, would test how
such a process works. But not everyone agrees that
commissions are less partisan than state legislatures.

"The problem is no one has come up with the perfect
way," Storey said. "Sometimes, they're called
independent commissions, but they're not necessarily
independent commissions. But they may actually be
just as partisan as legislatures. And, in fact, they are
likely to go to legislation and they are likely to end up
losing redistricting plans."

Others say the potential for abuse is greater when
members of state legislatures, with clearly vested
political ideologies, are involved.

"Redistricting is, for better or for worse, a lot of
political jousting," said Erika L. Wood, deputy director
of the Democracy Program at the Brennan Center for
Justice at NYU School of Law. "Because those state
legislatures hold so much control and because this is
done in back rooms, if Republicans are in control
they will draw maps that they think will benefit them
in the next few years.


"There's always a lot of drama that happens with this,"
she added. "I've heard people call it a bloodbath."

The redistricting process in Texas in 2003 ended up
embroiled in controversy and court delays that
escalated all the way to the Supreme Court.

Former Rep. Tom DeLay, R-Texas, the House majority
leader at the time, came under fire for his role in
crafting a plan that Democrats charged was a way to
 ensure that Republicans would continue to stay in
power in Washington.

 

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Bill Clinton was pretty damn liberal if I recall... That's why he lost the House in 96 right?

I'm not disagreeing... I find a lot of people around California to be very extremely liberal. I'm originally from Virginia, so I understand what you're saying.

I have no problem with the people who ran and won, However, if they turn into damn Jesus freaks, then you can bet your ass there will be another blacklash in a few years, that's all I'm saying.

My biggest problem with the Tea Party is that they are really the same, they just say they aren't.

Ask them which of the Big 3 US budget items they will cut and you'll get the same answer... They won't.



Im a tea party person,here is what I would cut.
All troops home from every part of the world unless engaged in battle.
retirement age for social security moved to 75 years old[55 and over are grandfathered in]
fair tax to completely eliminate the IRS
I would cut all government employess in Washingtn by half right away,put in a pay freeze
Id cut the following departments out.Education,EPA,HUD,GLOBAL WARMING, and any others that are a total waste of time.

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How am i in utter denial, didnt even say anything...lol...you want someone to play your "its the end of the world game" ok...um...lets see...hmm...ok...i got one

OH MY FUCKING GOD...REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO EAT YOUR CHILDREN...


LOOK AT THE GRAPH BELOW...
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SEE WHAT THIS EXPERT SAID {Insert random dumb ass video of some tard agreeing with my point }
SEE..OH YOU HAVE YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND BRO  ::) ::) ::)
 {insert a long winded ass article by some random guy dubbed only by me as an "expert"

blah blah blah blah eat kids blah blah blahblah blah blah blah eat kids blahblah blah blah blah eat kids blah blah blah
 blah blahblah blah blah blah eat kids blah blah blahblah blah blah blah eat kids blah blah blahblah blah blah blah eat kids blah blah blahblah blah blah blah eat kids blah blah blah

See...i told you so bro...the utter distruction of an epic magnitude is goin down right now...see look out the window...the sky is grey...it was blue when dems were in control of the house..."


is that good enough...3333



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Im a tea party person,here is what I would cut.
All troops home from every part of the world unless engaged in battle.
retirement age for social security moved to 75 years old[55 and over are grandfathered in]
fair tax to completely eliminate the IRS
I would cut all government employess in Washingtn by half right away,put in a pay freeze
Id cut the following departments out.Education,EPA,HUD,GLOBAL WARMING, and any others that are a total waste of time.

I do not think the Education or EPA are a waste, and are not part of the real problem.

Cut Medicare, SS, and Defense... That's your budget.

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How am i in utter denial, didnt even say anything...lol...you want someone to play your "its the end of the world game" ok...um...lets see...hmm...ok...i got one

OH MY FUCKING GOD...REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO EAT YOUR CHILDREN...


LOOK AT THE GRAPH BELOW...
 {Insert a dumb ass graph made up by someone who agrees with me}


SEE WHAT THIS EXPERT SAID {Insert random dumb ass video of some tard agreeing with my point }
SEE..OH YOU HAVE YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND BRO  ::) ::) ::)
 {insert a long winded ass article by some random guy dubbed only by me as an "expert"

blah blah blah blah eat kids blah blah blahblah blah blah blah eat kids blahblah blah blah blah eat kids blah blah blah
 blah blahblah blah blah blah eat kids blah blah blahblah blah blah blah eat kids blah blah blahblah blah blah blah eat kids blah blah blahblah blah blah blah eat kids blah blah blah

See...i told you so bro...the utter distruction of an epic magnitude is goin down right now...see look out the window...the sky is grey...it was blue when dems were in control of the house..."


is that good enough...3333




Ha ha ha   

One of those reporters at the presser yesterday should have blasted this off the radio to Obama.  Ha ha ha ha ha. 

 


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Devastation: GOP Picks Up 680 State Leg. Seats
NationalJournal ^ | 11/4/2010 | Jeremy P. Jacobs


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While the Republican gains in the House and Senate are grabbing the most headlines, the most significant results on Tuesday came in state legislatures where Republicans wiped the floor with Democrats.

Republicans picked up 680 seats in state legislatures, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures -- the most in the modern era. To put that number in perspective: In the 1994 GOP wave, Republicans picked up 472 seats. The previous record was in the post-Watergate election of 1974, when Democrats picked up 628 seats.

The GOP gained majorities in at least 14 state house chambers. They now have unified control -- meaning both chambers -- of 26 state legislatures.

That control is a particularly bad sign for Democrats as they go into the redistricting process. If the GOP is effective in gerrymandering districts in many of these states, it could eventually lead to the GOP actually expanding its majority in 2012.

Republicans now hold the redistricting "trifecta" -- both chambers of the state legislature and the governorship -- in 15 states. They also control the Nebraska governorship and the unicameral legislature, taking the number up to 16. And in North Carolina -- probably the state most gerrymandered to benefit Democrats -- Republicans hold both chambers of the state legislature and the Democratic governor does not have veto power over redistricting proposals.


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