clean bulking plan (For Tbombz, No one, Van Bilderass and other GB expert bros)

[Stavios]

I plan to start doing this for 8 weeks before starting my prep for the show in may, since I am already pretty lean for this far out.

Why ?

Because I feel flat, thin and "scrawny" and I feel my physique have no pop after losing a lot of bodyfat already.
so I want to get back my fullness, gain 2-3 lbs of muscle if possible , and I also feel it will help my body "relax" so when I drop the carbs a bit after that, drop the slin and add the ECA, the bodyfat will melt easily


-6am: 1 cup oats, 8 egg whites

training

-8am:
20iu of Insulin
100 grams of carbs
45 gr protein


10h30:
1 bagel
45gr protein

13h00:
 4 slices of ezekiel bread
8 oz lean ground beef

17h00:
8 oz horse meat
2 slices of ezekiel bread
illimited green veggies

22h00:
8 oz horse meat
illimited green veggies          

I will also lower the t4 dose to 50 mcg, and I am dropping the ephedra I am using at the moment.
right now I am taking 2 cc of test 400 per week (I suspect it is very underdosed tho because I normally get bitch tits from 800mg of legit test) and 400 mg of tren enanthate per week.
I will up those but probably pregressivly because I want to keep upping the doses right up to the show and obviously I am not going to takt 5g of gear per week.



please tell me what you guys think of this plan, I do not want to gain any fat so it's simply a mild mass gaining phase before the real contest prep

[Evo]

IMO you want solid food PWO....I make much better gains eating food straight after the gym and having a small 50/25 shake along side.

You should throw in more fats to bump the cals up slightly.

[Marty Champions]

needs more ezekial bread the kind with raisons=future olympus

[~UN_$ung~]

horse meat???



are you fucking serious...........where do you get horse meat?

[Stavios]

horse meat???



are you fucking serious...........where do you get horse meat?

haha at every grocery store ?

super lean, and it's the cheapest meat around. Cheaper than ground beef

[Marty Champions]

stavios and the savage diet or diet for savages

[Stavios]

stavios and the savage diet or diet for savages

Stavios and the how you can eat for under 80$ a week diet 

[~UN_$ung~]

can you buy horse meat in the USA.,..........cause i certainly never see for sale at the supermarket



eating horses is WRONG..........it like the whole pulp fiction thing

a horse is a personality animal, , like a dog or cat,........you cant eat a fucking horse



but really, i have never heard of people casually eating horse before, where are you from?

[WillGrant]

can you buy horse meat in the USA.,..........cause i certainly never see for sale at the supermarket



eating horses is WRONG..........it like the whole pulp fiction thing

a horse is a personality animal, , like a dog or cat,........you cant eat a fucking horse



but really, i have never heard of people casually eating horse before, where are you from?

Yeah I find it odd but thats because I have worked with horses and GF's that are into horse riding etc.

I "think" but not 100 % sure that the french are horse eaters , Stav is canadian so maybe theres the fench influence ?

[clued-up]

super lean, and it's the cheapest meat around. Cheaper than ground beef

What does horse meat taste like?

[Coach is Back!]

horse meat???



are you fucking serious...........where do you get horse meat?

I have a better question....tbombz? LOL

[Disgusted]

I plan to start doing this for 8 weeks before starting my prep for the show in may, since I am already pretty lean for this far out.

Why ?

Because I feel flat, thin and "scrawny" and I feel my physique have no pop after losing a lot of bodyfat already.
so I want to get back my fullness, gain 2-3 lbs of muscle if possible , and I also feel it will help my body "relax" so when I drop the carbs a bit after that, drop the slin and add the ECA, the bodyfat will melt easily


-6am: 1 cup oats, 8 egg whites

training

-8am:
20iu of Insulin
100 grams of carbs
45 gr protein


10h30:
1 bagel
45gr protein

13h00:
 4 slices of ezekiel bread
8 oz lean ground beef

17h00:
8 oz horse meat
2 slices of ezekiel bread
illimited green veggies

22h00:
8 oz horse meat
illimited green veggies          

I will also lower the t4 dose to 50 mcg, and I am dropping the ephedra I am using at the moment.
right now I am taking 2 cc of test 400 per week (I suspect it is very underdosed tho because I normally get bitch tits from 800mg of legit test) and 400 mg of tren enanthate per week.
I will up those but probably pregressivly because I want to keep upping the doses right up to the show and obviously I am not going to takt 5g of gear per week.



please tell me what you guys think of this plan, I do not want to gain any fat so it's simply a mild mass gaining phase before the real contest prep

Think about this logically. You assuming that you "lost" something else because you lost some body fat. First of all forget about what you "feel" like and worry about what you look like. I've heard this complaint a million times. Doing slin will make you "feel" fuller, but it will not in the long run make you look better or make your muscles "POP" when you flex. Right now you are not thinking too straight because of your paranoia about getting small. The best thing that you can do rite now is to do the exact diet that you were doing to lose fat and slowly add calories proportionately with your macros. This will fill you out some and make you "feel" better not only physically but mentally. Forget the slin!

[~UN_$ung~]

Think about this logically. You assuming that you "lost" something else because you lost some body fat. First of all forget about what you "feel" like and worry about what you look like. I've heard this complaint a million times. Doing slin will make you "feel" fuller, but it will not in the long run make you look better or make your muscles "POP" when you flex. Right now you are not thinking too straight because of your paranoia about getting small. The best thing that you can do rite now is to do the exact diet that you were doing to lose fat and slowly add calories proportionately with your macros. This will fill you out some and make you "feel" better not only physically but mentally. Forget the slin!

jim, when you not a jay cutler size guy, who has to eat , you know 5-6,000 kcals every day of very specific macros when dieting to maintain a 280lb physique


when you big, but not ridiculously big..........6'3, 245 lean...........how important do you think eating clean while dieting, i.e. eating dry oatmeal and chicken breast...........as compared to filling your protein requirements, but other then that doing the "calorie is a calorie" thing

cause i dont notice a big difference




also what your opinion on cardio.........is it much better to take in more calories while dieting (which presumably keeps you more metaboilically active) and do a lot of cardio............or can you just lower your calories so that cardio isnt necessary?

[WillGrant]

Think about this logically. You assuming that you "lost" something else because you lost some body fat. First of all forget about what you "feel" like and worry about what you look like. I've heard this complaint a million times. Doing slin will make you "feel" fuller, but it will not in the long run make you look better or make your muscles "POP" when you flex. Right now you are not thinking too straight because of your paranoia about getting small. The best thing that you can do rite now is to do the exact diet that you were doing to lose fat and slowly add calories proportionately with your macros. This will fill you out some and make you "feel" better not only physically but mentally. Forget the slin!

See this is why we need the thanks function introduced so you can thank posts like this.

So I'll just give the alternative and thank Jim with this

[~UN_$ung~]

See this is why we need the thanks function introduced so you can thank posts like this.

So I'll just give the alternative and thank Jim with this

im just gonna say it.........i wanna watch her piss

[WillGrant]

im just gonna say it.........i wanna watch her piss

A man with taste 

[Disgusted]

jim, when you not a jay cutler size guy, who has to eat , you know 5-6,000 kcals every day of very specific macros when dieting to maintain a 280lb physique


when you big, but not ridiculously big..........6'3, 245 lean...........how important do you think eating clean while dieting, i.e. eating dry oatmeal and chicken breast...........as compared to filling your protein requirements, but other then that doing the "calorie is a calorie" thing

cause i dont notice a big difference




also what your opinion on cardio.........is it much better to take in more calories while dieting (which presumably keeps you more metaboilically active) and do a lot of cardio............or can you just lower your calories so that cardio isnt necessary?

When dieting for a show or even to get very lean (not just to lose a few pounds) I think it best to eat mostly clean. My guys have always ate "junk" food once a week and always in large amounts, but again this is a certain specific diet that I had them on and would not always work unless it was laid out in a specific manner. This answer could get very long so don't take everything that I say here as gospel. I'm just giving you the kinda short answer. Far as protein goes I think that most guys eat way too much. I would never go above 1.5 g per pound and that's prob a bit too much. Increase your cals after that with carbs and fat. Some guys do better with a majority of carbs and some do better with fats that is up to you and how you react to carbs.

If someone comes to me reasonably lean then I would not have them do any cardio until maybe 5 weeks out and then it's nothing crazy. I have dieted people on no cardio, but to get freaky ripped I like to add some in. Also, I never use fat burners until late in the game too since it's mainly all diet when it comes to losing fat.

[Disgusted]

Also wanted to add this, there is no such thing as "junk food" simply because food can only be food, but when you add in harmful ingredients to food such as chemicals and an over abundance of sugar etc then this is what is typically referred to as junk food.

[~UN_$ung~]

Also wanted to add this, there is no such thing as "junk food" simply because food can only be food, but when you add in harmful ingredients to food such as chemicals and an over abundance of sugar etc then this is what is typically referred to as junk food.

thanks man, there are people on here like of course adonis , and some of his "followers" like leafy bug

who appear to get very good dietary results with the simple diet of

1.  filling protein reqs.

2.  and after that just reducing calories, regardless of how "clean" the calories are



when your eating very "clean" even when dieting , its a LOT of eating.......you know, cup and a half of dry oatmeal and a half dozen eggs, ect


lately , i have been eating pizza bites and protein shakes.........and just keeping overall calories low, and doing some cardio


and i gotta be honest.........i dont really feel much of a difference in how much muscle mass im losing while i diet, or how fast the fat is coming off

[tbombz]

1-2 grams aas+ 1 gram per lb lean body weight + a caloric surplus+ lots of wwater


The one I find to be of the most importance is training. You've got to find out what works best for you if you still haven't. I'm still trying to figure it out, but some things vie found out for my own body= don't train if you still sore or your performance is decreased, periodize your training as often as necessary, if training to failure then keep it to one two or three sets only, if training high volume then stay away from failure, progressive overload is king, try your best to perfect form and as much tension on the target muscle as possible, lots of stretching

[Disgusted]

thanks man, there are people on here like of course adonis , and some of his "followers" like leafy bug

who appear to get very good dietary results with the simple diet of

1.  filling protein reqs.

2.  and after that just reducing calories, regardless of how "clean" the calories are

Unless I'm mistaken Leafy Bug ate the typical BBer diet for his last show. Also, and again this could get long, but if you want to take the time to bake and cook your own food to make dieting a little easier then there is nothing wrong with that. Let's say that you want to make a banana nut bread for to eat for one of your meals there is noting wrong with that, but I personally like to keep things simple. Number one I actually like the taste of rice and red potatoes and oatmeal and you can add spices and things to them to make then taste better if you want to. Now, eating things like cake and pie can make some people more hungry and make it harder to stick to a calorie restricted diet. Try eating say 8 oz of lean beef with some brown rice and then eat say 50 grams of whey protein and eat the rest of your calories in Ho Ho's then tell me how you feel? If all you have to do if meet your protein requirements and eat what ever you like for the rest of your calories then you should have no problem eating cake and ice cream all day long with maybe just a few egg whites or amino tabs for your protein.

[~UN_$ung~]

Unless I'm mistaken Leafy Bug ate the typical BBer diet for his last show. Also, and again this could get long, but if you want to take the time to bake and cook your own food to make dieting a little easier then there is nothing wrong with that. Let's say that you want to make a banana nut bread for to eat for one of your meals there is noting wrong with that, but I personally like to keep things simple. Number one I actually like the taste of rice and red potatoes and oatmeal and you can add spices and things to them to make then taste better if you want to. Now, eating things like cake and pie can make some people more hungry and make it harder to stick to a calorie restricted diet. Try eating say 8 oz of lean beef with some brown rice and then eat say 50 grams of whey protein and eat the rest of your calories in Ho Ho's then tell me how you feel? If all you have to do if meet your protein requirements and eat what ever you like for the rest of your calories then you should have no problem eating cake and ice cream all day long with maybe just a few egg whites or amino tabs for your protein.

\good info, thank you


you know as i get older the hardest part is eating for me, im just not as hungry as i used to be

i just started runnin EQ, that always made me hungry that might help

[Disgusted]

thanks man, there are people on here like of course adonis , and some of his "followers" like leafy bug

who appear to get very good dietary results with the simple diet of

1.  filling protein reqs.

2.  and after that just reducing calories, regardless of how "clean" the calories are



when your eating very "clean" even when dieting , its a LOT of eating.......you know, cup and a half of dry oatmeal and a half dozen eggs, ect


lately , i have been eating pizza bites and protein shakes.........and just keeping overall calories low, and doing some cardio


and i gotta be honest.........i dont really feel much of a difference in how much muscle mass im losing while i diet, or how fast the fat is coming off

There is no reason to lose muscle while dieting, that is a myth. In fact you can gain muscle while still losing fat I've done it a million times. Also I personally like to eat a decent amount of fat in my diet and this also lowers the bulk of food one eats and makes it easier to get your meals down.

[Disgusted]

\good info, thank you


you know as i get older the hardest part is eating for me, im just not as hungry as i used to be

i just started runnin EQ, that always made me hungry that might help

No prob. I'm the same as you, I don't eat near the amount of food as I used to but I find it easy to maintain my muscle with little protein and working out about 3 times a week. All things being equal and in order it will be drugs that will get you growing when you have some to a stand still.

[~UN_$ung~]

There is no reason to lose muscle while dieting, that is a myth. In fact you can gain muscle while still losing fat I've done it a million times. Also I personally like to eat a decent amount of fat in my diet and this also lowers the bulk of food one eats and makes it easier to get your meals down.

one more thing.........i know whole foods have vitamins shakes dont have , so say you take a milti or whatever


and decide to drink all your protein in the form of shakes........jsut to simplify things

you know, like 6 50g protein shakes a day of a respect supplement companies whey

will you be absorbing the same amount of that protein as if those were 6 50g chicken brests?