clean bulking plan (For Tbombz, No one, Van Bilderass and other GB expert bros)

[Disgusted]

Jim,

I have two questions, if you don't mined?

1. Is there any diffrent betwen eating evey 5 hours, comparing to 3 hours?

I plan to eat every 5 hours and most my meal are soldmeal...

2. how long betwen pre-workout and training you have?

Question 1. No there isn't other than the amount of food that you need to eat. You can eat 3 to 4 meals a day while gaining or losing if you like. This stuff about you gotta eat 6 to 8 times a day is BS. Even with the huge amount of Gh T3 and other stuff guys generally eat way too much.


Not sure I know what you are asking with your second question sorry. If you mean how loong should you wait to eat before working out I would not eat any later than an hour although this does not include any type of preworkout drink.

[CalvinH]

Eh,a diet without vodka for epic leans is just not a diet at all.

[kevinf]

Jim,
  Roughly how many more calories would someone be able to take in and still be able to get leaner if they added 5IU of gh/day (with 50mcg t3) with a 600mg test/400mg tren enth cycle? as opposed to just being on 600mgtest/400mg tren with no gh/t3

[Disgusted]

jim, when you not a jay cutler size guy, who has to eat , you know 5-6,000 kcals every day of very specific macros when dieting to maintain a 280lb physique


when you big, but not ridiculously big..........6'3, 245 lean...........how important do you think eating clean while dieting, i.e. eating dry oatmeal and chicken breast...........as compared to filling your protein requirements, but other then that doing the "calorie is a calorie" thing

cause i dont notice a big difference




also what your opinion on cardio.........is it much better to take in more calories while dieting (which presumably keeps you more metaboilically active) and do a lot of cardio............or can you just lower your calories so that cardio isnt necessary?

Hey I wanted to add a couple of things you got me thinking a bout. First when Adam says a calorie is a calorie he is right as far as the definition goes. What can a calorie be other than a calorie right? Now, 100 grams of red meat will certainly have a different affect on the body as 100 grams of sugar. So in this respect calories are different, this is what most guys on here are talking about when debating Adam, but he for some reason never really gets into that. Also, you mentioned that you don't see a big difference in what types of food you are eating and the affect it has on your body. This is true I'm sure,  but the leaner you get the more you will realize that not to be true. You say that you like to get most of your protein from drink sources to make things more simple. Nothing wrong with that for now at least, but as you get leaner and cut back on your calories things will change. For example, If you are eating say a pure protein meal and you chose to use whey (which I don't like at all) at around 60 grams you are going to be starving in a half hour as compared to someone else who ate chicken for example in the same amount. Chicken IMO is more advantageous to eat. Number one it takes longer to digest so you are not a hungry for a longer period of time (this is important when dieting trust me) and secondly it takes your body more calories to digest. It all sounds good in theory as far as being able to eat what ever you like to get shredded,  but in practice it doesn't always workout the way you think it will. I am talking about getting very lean of course.

[Disgusted]

Jim,
  Roughly how many more calories would someone be able to take in and still be able to get leaner if they added 5IU of gh/day (with 50mcg t3) with a 600mg test/400mg tren enth cycle? as opposed to just being on 600mgtest/400mg tren with no gh/t3

600.4567% more. 

[almard]

Question 1. No there isn't other than the amount of food that you need to eat. You can eat 3 to 4 meals a day while gaining or losing if you like. This stuff about you gotta eat 6 to 8 times a day is BS. Even with the huge amount of Gh T3 and other stuff guys generally eat way too much.


Not sure I know what you are asking with your second question sorry. If you mean how loong should you wait to eat before working out I would not eat any later than an hour although this does not include any type of preworkout drinye

Yes, I meant the meal before workout...
Thank bro....

[Stavios]

Man...horse meat WTF?

Why not mix in some dolphin and "long-pig"   

why not, I would eat dolphin all day long if it tasted good and if it was cheap

[Master Blaster]

why not, I would eat dolphin all day long if it tasted good and if it was cheap

What about human?   

[Stavios]

ok so with the diet above, I shot 16 IU of slin to see how it would workout as there were not that many carbs for 20 IU


everything went fine with 16 IU so I'll try 18 tommorrow, and if everything is fine I'll try 20

[tbombz]

Eh,a diet without vodka for epic leans is just not a diet at all.

+diet soda ftw

[tbombz]

Jim,
  Roughly how many more calories would someone be able to take in and still be able to get leaner if they added 5IU of gh/day (with 50mcg t3) with a 600mg test/400mg tren enth cycle? as opposed to just being on 600mgtest/400mg tren with no gh/t3

jim was being sarcastic, ill tell you... in order to get lean, even on gh and t3, you have to eat clean. that doesnt necessarily mean that you have to go low carbs lor low fat, but you need a controlled calorie diet with adequate protein and no excess. the real "fat loss" benefits of gh and t3 do not come from their ability to get you lean (although they are good at doing that), their best use is to KEEP you lean.. aka prevent fat accumulation. you have to eat moderate calories to get lean with gh and t3, but you can go pretty fuc king excessive with the calories and you wont get fat. of course this is dependant upon the person to some degree.

[Wiggs]

Before the question can be answered, the definition of "lean" must first be defined...

Some people might define lean as 5% bf and in that case yes, even on all the stuff you must eat clean and others may define lean as 10-12@ bf and in that case you have a lot more room to play around with...It also depends on what bf you start at...Starting at 25% bf vs. 15% will make a big difference for a slew of reasons.

[Meso_z]

jim was being sarcastic, ill tell you... in order to get lean, even on gh and t3, you have to eat clean. that doesnt necessarily mean that you have to go low carbs lor low fat, but you need a controlled calorie diet with adequate protein and no excess. the real "fat loss" benefits of gh and t3 do not come from their ability to get you lean (although they are good at doing that), their best use is to KEEP you lean.. aka prevent fat accumulation. you have to eat moderate calories to get lean with gh and t3, but you can go pretty fuc king excessive with the calories and you wont get fat. of course this is dependant upon the person to some degree.

what are the protein requirements? ive heard soooo many numbers...i try to keep it 1.5 grams per pound so i hav 300 grams and im 200lbs right now....regarding thw weight....is it lean mass or total pounds? because if its "lean mass" i have to eat less protein.

[affeman]

ok so with the diet above, I shot 16 IU of slin to see how it would workout as there were not that many carbs for 20 IU


everything went fine with 16 IU so I'll try 18 tommorrow, and if everything is fine I'll try 20

You're gonna "try" as long till you drop dead.

[Wiggs]

what are the protein requirements? ive heard soooo many numbers...i try to keep it 1.5 grams per pound so i hav 300 grams and im 200lbs right now....regarding thw weight....is it lean mass or total pounds? because if its "lean mass" i have to eat less protein.

1.  Are you on the sauce?
2.  Total bodywieght

[Stavios]

Before the question can be answered, the definition of "lean" must first be defined...

Some people might define lean as 5% bf and in that case yes, even on all the stuff you must eat clean and others may define lean as 10-12@ bf and in that case you have a lot more room to play around with...It also depends on what bf you start at...Starting at 25% bf vs. 15% will make a big difference for a slew of reasons.

for me lean is 6% and under

[Stavios]

You're gonna "try" as long till you drop dead.

no I won't "drop dead" from 20 IU of slin

[Wiggs]

for me lean is 6% and under

See what I mean?  Lean for me is 20% bf..... .....Just kidding...10-12%

[~UN_$ung~]

no I won't "drop dead" from 20 IU of slin

other then your consumption of equine meat.........which i find very strange


i also wonder about your gear usage


i though i saw you say that you only do real simple cycles .......like 2 shots of t-400 a week

............why are you using insulin then........cause thats like the LAST thing a bodybuilder typically incorporates

shouldnt there be years of you adding in more complex steroid cycles, higher doses, running more compounds at a time............and basically fully maxing out your gains from steroids.........and then maxing out gains from HGH..............and THEN starting to play with insulin


i was just wondering, im not bein a smart ass, maybe you know something i do not..........be i was always of the mind that slin is the last thing you fuck with after gains from all else is exhausted

[Stavios]

other then your consumption of equine meat.........which i find very strange


i also wonder about your gear usage


i though i saw you say that you only do real simple cycles .......like 2 shots of t-400 a week

............why are you using insulin then........cause thats like the LAST thing a bodybuilder typically incorporates

shouldnt there be years of you adding in more complex steroid cycles, higher doses, running more compounds at a time............and basically fully maxing out your gains from steroids.........and then maxing out gains from HGH..............and THEN starting to play with insulin


i was just wondering, im not bein a smart ass, maybe you know something i do not..........be i was always of the mind that slin is the last thing you fuck with after gains from all else is exhausted

Right now my cycle is 2 shots of test 400 a week AND 400 mg of tren enanthate.
that's not a "huge" cycle but that's not low either.

I prefer doing slin for now before upping the dose for
1. financial reason (slin is fucking cheap)
2. I will eventually up the dose, but I prefer to go gradually until the show

[~UN_$ung~]

Right now my cycle is 2 shots of test 400 a week AND 400 mg of tren enanthate.
that's not a "huge" cycle but that's not low either.

I prefer doing slin for now before upping the dose for
1. financial reason (slin is fucking cheap)
2. I will eventually up the dose, but I prefer to go gradually until the show

no, it is "low".......and probably its "low-er" cause you know the t-400 is probably more like t300-325 and the and the ugl parabolon is probably underdosed as well


but still, even if it wast........1200mgs a week is on the low end of moderate

[Stavios]

no, it is "low".......and probably its "low-er" cause you know the t-400 is probably more like t300-325 and the and the ugl parabolon is probably underdosed as well


but still, even if it wast........1200mgs a week is on the low end of moderate

yeah it's probably underdosed I agree !

but I will up the dosage for sure tho, I'll try to buy some HG amps, it's not that expensive when you buy them by batch of 100

[Lion666]

See this is why we need the thanks function introduced so you can thank posts like this.

So I'll just give the alternative and thank Jim with this

not like she needs one but
does she have a name?

[tbombz]

what are the protein requirements? ive heard soooo many numbers...i try to keep it 1.5 grams per pound so i hav 300 grams and im 200lbs right now....regarding thw weight....is it lean mass or total pounds? because if its "lean mass" i have to eat less protein.

1 gram per pound of lean body weight is the right number, but when dieting and/or on t3 that would go up slightly, and 1.5 grams per pound lean body weight would be good.  eating slightly more protein than is necessary wont hurt you, in fact its a good thing so long as you arent getting fat/its not slowing down your fat loss.

[Devon97]

I have a better question....tbombz? LOL