dorian yates - best posing vid ever?

[NarcissisticDeity]

vic richards a bitter never was

and sammir bannout an one time and out former competitor who has been known to spout a lot of crazy nonsense about the sport





.............not exactly highly lauded authorities

Just saying not everyone thinks Ronnie is the best ! just their opinions doesn't make it fact

[NarcissisticDeity]

Hulkster doesn't post worked pics    

[~UN_$ung~]

Aside from who you think is better...
What do you think of the vids Hulkster is trying to use as proof?  Do you think they match up to the pics, and other vids from 99?
Or not? just curious.

i like dorian better then ronnie, dorian was always my favorite bodybuilder



but ronnie was a freak, and i cant deny that......and you can make a pretty solid argument that ronnie was even a level above dorian




hulksters "evidence" is pure  schmoery though everyone knows that............he uses that ridiculous 99 grand prix video where everyone looked like a cartoon character and that very suspect  99 olympia video as his talking points, and they just do  not carry any weight

[Hulkster]

anyone who thinks the 99 vids on the web are suspect should go out and buy either the DVD or the VHS (I used to have this copy back when VCRs were still common) and compare.

it will make you realize just how stupid the 'doctored photage' argument really is.

of course, most sane people already know its stupid, but still.

ForcedReps explained quite well to the nuthuggers this and even showed it by posting links to the DVD rip files etc. but they can't and will never admit that the photage is legit.

to do so is to admit that their hero was not as good.

and they will never admit this. ever.

even a global conspiracy about the 1999 Olympia is more legit to them than to admit ronnie was better. thats the sort of idiots we are dealing with here .

[Hulkster]

hulksters "evidence" is pure  schmoery though everyone knows that

its not my evidence.

its legit links to files all over the web.

oh wait, the nuthuggers must think that youtube is in on the conspiracy too.

I forgot.

this is worse than the 9/11 conspiracy bullshit. LMAO

wait~! I know! it was Bin Laden!
 
Bin Laden is the mastermind behind the 1999 Olympia vids! thats it!

LOL

[NarcissisticDeity]

its not my evidence.

its legit links to files all over the web.

oh wait, the nuthuggers must think that youtube is in on the conspiracy too.

I forgot.

this is worse than the 9/11 conspiracy bullshit. LMAO

wait~! I know! it was Bin Laden!
 
Bin Laden is the mastermind behind the 1999 Olympia vids! thats it!

LOL

hahahahahaha ' legit links ' all from the same fucking guy HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

keep posting Bizzy links as ' new ' and ' independent ' fucking dumbass

[Shockwave]

its not my evidence.

its legit links to files all over the web.

oh wait, the nuthuggers must think that youtube is in on the conspiracy too.

I forgot.

this is worse than the 9/11 conspiracy bullshit. LMAO

wait~! I know! it was Bin Laden!
 
Bin Laden is the mastermind behind the 1999 Olympia vids! thats it!

LOL

HAHAH!!! Legit Links ALL OVER THE WEB! All leading back to Bizzy! HAHAHAH!!!
Never thought Id see someone stupid enough to say "There all over!" when they all lead back to the same uploader.
Oh, and epic melodrama. Your whole schome argument is based around A VID that dont match up with anything else from 99, and your trying to use links that all lead back to the same guy to try and say there different.

The thing that gets me Hulkster, is that you project on people so much, trying to say were in denial, and all this shit, when YOURE the one thats in denial, your "evidence" doesnt match up with anything, industry experts that were there call you out on your bullshit (Horton), but you try and say that you owned him, you try and say that those were different vids, but the links all go back to Bizzy. Serioulsy, what kind of world do you live in where all this happens to you, but you keep on going thinking youre right?

Stick a fork in Hulkster, hes done.

[JP_RC]

Just saying not everyone thinks Ronnie is the best ! just their opinions doesn't make it fact

Ronnie's opinion of Dorian beating him doesn't make it a fact either.

Why do you cling on it so much?

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie's opinion of Dorian beating him doesn't make it a fact either.

Why do you cling on it so much?

Please show me where I ever once claimed it was fact I'll be waiting too

I don't ' cling ' to it , I just love how it kills his fanboys to hear him concede to Yates

[JP_RC]

Please show me where I ever once claimed it was fact I'll be waiting too

I don't ' cling ' to it , I just love how it kills his fanboys to hear him concede to Yates

I don't think you ever said it was a fact, but you always use it as proof Dorian was better and to try to end the "debate".

[NarcissisticDeity]

HAHAH!!! Legit Links ALL OVER THE WEB! All leading back to Bizzy! HAHAHAH!!!
Never thought Id see someone stupid enough to say "There all over!" when they all lead back to the same uploader.
Oh, and epic melodrama. Your whole schome argument is based around A VID that dont match up with anything else from 99, and your trying to use links that all lead back to the same guy to try and say there different.

The thing that gets me Hulkster, is that you project on people so much, trying to say were in denial, and all this shit, when YOURE the one thats in denial, your "evidence" doesnt match up with anything, industry experts that were there call you out on your bullshit (Horton), but you try and say that you owned him, you try and say that those were different vids, but the links all go back to Bizzy. Serioulsy, what kind of world do you live in where all this happens to you, but you keep on going thinking youre right?

Stick a fork in Hulkster, hes done.

yup he keeps posting ' new ' and ' independent ' sources all from the same fucking guy HAHAHAHAHAHA then he attempts to deceive people by using Forcedreps argument for Bizzy , he thinks he's slick but he's a fucking moron , his buddy Bizzy is a moron too , posting that video everywhere leaving his name attached then , posting it elsewhere without the name but the exact same description lol two morons

Hulkster likes to project , Kevin Horton ran from him , I ran from him , the only one running is him from facts and you're right he's be done for a long time now , he thinks he can type his way out of his stupidity and keeps failing

[NarcissisticDeity]

I don't think you ever said it was a fact, but you always use it as proof Dorian was better and to try to end the "debate".

I know I never said it was a fact , and should I ask you where I ever said it was proof? no let me stop you there as well , that does END anything any fanboy can type on the subject and the fact that he's been pretty consistent in that OPINION , you think your opinion carries more weight than Ronnie's?

Dorian would beat Ronnie because he simply meets the criteria better , depending on the year he's bigger , harder , drier , has better balance & proportion and is a better poser that's why he would beat Ronnie

[Royal Lion]

yup he keeps posting ' new ' and ' independent ' sources all from the same fucking guy HAHAHAHAHAHA then he attempts to deceive people by using Forcedreps argument for Bizzy , he thinks he's slick but he's a fucking moron , his buddy Bizzy is a moron too , posting that video everywhere leaving his name attached then , posting it elsewhere without the name but the exact same description lol two morons

Hulkster likes to project , Kevin Horton ran from him , I ran from him , the only one running is him from facts and you're right he's be done for a long time now , he thinks he can type his way out of his stupidity and keeps failing

Which begs the question of why, if Ronnie is so obviously superior as they claim, resort to posting touched up shots of Ronnie versus the worst pics of Dorian?  Doing so reeks of insecurity and fear of the truth: Ronnie vs. Dorian would be an epic battle that could go either way.  But no, Hulkster has to troll in at every mention of Dorian and spew his desperate, lame bullshit.  Not sure why he is so threatened by Dorian -- it's creepy, really;  afterall, he has over 20,000 posts devoted to Dorian.  

[JP_RC]

I know I never said it was a fact , and should I ask you where I ever said it was proof? no let me stop you there as well , that does END anything any fanboy can type on the subject and the fact that he's been pretty consistent in that OPINION , you think your opinion carries more weight than Ronnie's?

Dorian would beat Ronnie because he simply meets the criteria better , depending on the year he's bigger , harder , drier , has better balance & proportion and is a better poser that's why he would beat Ronnie

You never actually typed "it is proof", but you imply that with your posts. My opinion certainly doesn't carry more weight than Ronnie's, but a lot of other pro bodybuilders and industry "experts" (incuding Weider) have said Ronnie is better and their opinion is just as valid.

As far as the criteria, I think a 98 O or 01 AC Ronnie vs a 93 or 95 Dorian would be very close.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Which begs the question of why, if Ronnie is so obviously superior as they claim, resort to posting touched up shots of Ronnie versus the worst pics of Dorian?  Doing so reeks of insecurity and fear of the truth: Ronnie vs. Dorian would be an epic battle that could go either way.  But no, Hulkster has to troll in at every mention of Dorian and spew his desperate, lame bullshit.  Not sure why he is so threatened by Dorian -- it's creepy, really;  afterall, he has over 20,000 posts devoted to Dorian.  

He knows Ronnie wouldn't beat him that's why he tries so hard to prove otherwise , it utterly destroyed him and all the other fanboys to hear Ronnie said Dorian would beat him and they haven't recovered since

these people look at Dorian and then look at Ronnie and scoff at that idea Dorian should be mentioned in the same breathe as Ronnie  they hate when I post facts that Dorian dominated in a way Ronnie never could or never did , or the fact that even at his worse he was still eons above everyone else , they don't like his physique so that must mean the one they do like would win , they can't look past their own bias , that's the difference , I can

[NarcissisticDeity]

You never actually typed "it is proof", but you imply that with your posts. My opinion certainly doesn't carry more weight than Ronnie's, but a lot of other pro bodybuilders and industry "experts" (incuding Weider) have said Ronnie is better and their opinion is just as valid.

As far as the criteria, I think a 98 O or 01 AC Ronnie vs a 93 or 95 Dorian would be very close.

I know I never typed it , that's YOU speculating on my implications , and sure their opinions are just as valid another point NO ONE IS ARGUING who said they weren't? and who are you or anyone else to claim your opinion is some how more right then Ronnie himself?

as far as criteria NO it wouldn't be very close , Dorian meets most of ALL the criteria better than Ronnie it may be close but I think Dorian's enough ahead in conditioning , balance and posing to distance himself , Ronnie has his advantages but Dorian has more

[Royal Lion]

I'm not sure what advantages Ronnie would have over a 1993 Dorian.  Maybe quad sweep, biceps (slight), and overall freak factor, although the bigger freakier Ronnie got, the more his conditioning suffered compared to Dorian.  

[NarcissisticDeity]

I'm not sure what advantages Ronnie would have over a 1993 Dorian.  Maybe quad sweep, biceps (slight), and overall freak factor, although the bigger freakier Ronnie got, the more his conditioning suffered compared to Dorian.  

I agree what advantages? more detail in certain parts? bigger biceps? it wouldn't be size , it wouldn't be hardness , it wouldn't be dryness , it wouldn't be balance

[Royal Lion]

I agree what advantages? more detail in certain parts? bigger biceps? it wouldn't be size , it wouldn't be hardness , it wouldn't be dryness , it wouldn't be balance

I am amazed every time I see that side tri shot   . This shot shows just how balanced Dorian's physique was in 1993.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I am amazed every time I see that side tri shot   . This shot shows just how balanced Dorian's physique was in 1993.

What's funny is they rant-and-rave about how poor his ARMS were yet this pose goes unmatched , how the fuck can a guy with what many claim the worse arms sans Dickerson have among the best ever side-triceps? it can't be done that's an oxymoron

I've never seen a side triceps from Ronnie that comes close to that none , not 98/99 not 03 not ever

[Mr Nobody]

What's funny is they rant-and-rave about how poor his ARMS were yet this pose goes unmatched , how the fuck can a guy with what many claim the worse arms sans Dickerson have among the best ever side-triceps? it can't be done that's an oxymoron

I've never seen a side triceps from Ronnie that comes close to that none , not 98/99 not 03 not ever

Thats a huge mofo right there whoever he is. 

[Royal Lion]

What's funny is they rant-and-rave about how poor his ARMS were yet this pose goes unmatched , how the fuck can a guy with what many claim the worse arms sans Dickerson have among the best ever side-triceps? it can't be done that's an oxymoron

I've never seen a side triceps from Ronnie that comes close to that none , not 98/99 not 03 not ever

Never seen a side tri that rivals this.  Wow!

[JP_RC]

What's funny is they rant-and-rave about how poor his ARMS were yet this pose goes unmatched , how the fuck can a guy with what many claim the worse arms sans Dickerson have among the best ever side-triceps? it can't be done that's an oxymoron

I've never seen a side triceps from Ronnie that comes close to that none , not 98/99 not 03 not ever

great arms should look great in all poses, not just the side-tri.

Ever seen his most musculars? Front double biceps? Side chest? That's how Dorian's arms looked compared to guys that truly had great arms.

Plus one photo doesn't stand for all, when you look at his videos posing his arms aren't that great.

[JP_RC]

I know I never typed it , that's YOU speculating on my implications , and sure their opinions are just as valid another point NO ONE IS ARGUING who said they weren't? and who are you or anyone else to claim your opinion is some how more right then Ronnie himself?

as far as criteria NO it wouldn't be very close , Dorian meets most of ALL the criteria better than Ronnie it may be close but I think Dorian's enough ahead in conditioning , balance and posing to distance himself , Ronnie has his advantages but Dorian has more

I don't claim my opinion is more right than Ronnie's.

As far as who would win, we can disagree. I still think it would be very close.

I would be interesting to know an ifbb judge's opinion.

[NarcissisticDeity]

great arms should look great in all poses, not just the side-tri.

Ever seen his most musculars? Front double biceps? Side chest? That's how Dorian's arms looked compared to guys that truly had great arms.

Plus one photo doesn't stand for all, when you look at his videos posing his arms aren't that great.

Did I ever claim his arms were great? you have a bad habit of arguing points no one is making. Dorian's arms at his best are perfectly fine in ALL poses , do yourself a favor please pay attention to what people type