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Rate Bas Rutten as a fighter
« on: November 06, 2010, 03:53:31 PM »
How would he do ?

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Re: Rate Bas Rutten as a fighter
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2010, 04:17:06 PM »
WTF do you mean how would he do?...dude ended his career on like a 23 fight win streak...I think he did fine...Do you mean how would he do now?...terrible he has no knees left...
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Re: Rate Bas Rutten as a fighter
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2010, 04:23:44 PM »
First and foremost I have to say that Bas IS the nicest guy not only in MMA but in the world.  THe guy is awesome and a amazing fighter


now there is the question the validity of his PANCRASE FIGHTS

Now, he has always said that none of his fights were "works" and I take him at his word actually.  So, I think his win number isn't inflated by wins that were "works".  However, alot of fights in PANCRASE (at that time) were works (youtube search Ken Shamrock vs Matt Hume for a example)

Also, I think he gets no credit for actually taking the time to improve his overall ground game.  Granted he is no Gunnar Nelson on the ground but he is very proficent for a guy just started out as a Dutch Thai boxer


Despite the two losses to Ken Shamrock (and that isn't a knock on Ken; i'm just pointing out a huge blemish on Bas' record) Bas is easily in the top 10 all time
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Re: Rate Bas Rutten as a fighter
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2010, 04:33:47 PM »
Quote from: Salvatore on November 06, 2010, 04:23:44 PM
First and foremost I have to say that Bas IS the nicest guy not only in MMA but in the world.  THe guy is awesome and a amazing fighter


now there is the question the validity of his PANCRASE FIGHTS

Now, he has always said that none of his fights were "works" and I take him at his word actually.  So, I think his win number isn't inflated by wins that were "works".  However, alot of fights in PANCRASE (at that time) were works (youtube search Ken Shamrock vs Matt Hume for a example)

Also, I think he gets no credit for actually taking the time to improve his overall ground game.  Granted he is no Gunnar Nelson on the ground but he is very proficent for a guy just started out as a Dutch Thai boxer


Despite the two losses to Ken Shamrock (and that isn't a knock on Ken; i'm just pointing out a huge blemish on Bas' record) Bas is easily in the top 10 all time

dude he called out rickson gracie for years...If theres a guy in mma that has a bullshit "worked" record thats your guy...bas aint no joke I have him in the top 10 of all time...
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Re: Rate Bas Rutten as a fighter
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2010, 04:36:01 PM »
Quote from: big L dawg on November 06, 2010, 04:33:47 PM
dude he called out rickson gracie for years...If theres a guy in mma that has a bullshit "worked" record thats your guy...bas aint no joke I have him in the top 10 of all time...

if anything I was saying that Bas seemed like the only guy in PANCRASE at that time who wasn't doing worked fights.  I'm sorry if my verbose post didnt express that

Rickson couldn't handle Bas because Bas wasn't a Japanese tomato can like all the other wins that were on his record
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Re: Rate Bas Rutten as a fighter
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2010, 04:49:03 PM »
Quote from: Salvatore on November 06, 2010, 04:36:01 PM
if anything I was saying that Bas seemed like the only guy in PANCRASE at that time who wasn't doing worked fights.  I'm sorry if my verbose post didnt express that

Rickson couldn't handle Bas because Bas wasn't a Japanese tomato can like all the other wins that were on his record

true that...Theirs some stories out there of some legendary street fights bas was in...dudes a living legend...one of the best vids on youtube to this day is his self defense remix vid...
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Re: Rate Bas Rutten as a fighter
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2010, 04:57:54 PM »
I would rate him very very highly especially in his time.
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Re: Rate Bas Rutten as a fighter
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2010, 05:14:41 PM »
Quote from: Meso_z on November 06, 2010, 03:53:31 PM
How would he do ?


you mean nowadays? He was a great fighter for his time, but today he would be average. But, that holds true for anyone as the sport just evolves and gets better.
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Re: Rate Bas Rutten as a fighter
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2010, 05:17:29 PM »
bas is great and would do well.  i agree he is also a nice guy.  met him at the boston expo
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Re: Rate Bas Rutten as a fighter
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2010, 05:30:44 PM »
Bas was the MAN in his day.

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Re: Rate Bas Rutten as a fighter
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2010, 01:25:34 AM »
I mean against another top fighter, both in their prime
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Re: Rate Bas Rutten as a fighter
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2010, 01:30:24 AM »
Ive read he bounced for years too. he said in one of his vid too
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Re: Rate Bas Rutten as a fighter
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2010, 01:56:45 AM »
Bas is really a cool guy and alot of fun. He is really funny too.  All round great guy.
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Re: Rate Bas Rutten as a fighter
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2010, 10:26:09 AM »
If you listen to the Rogan Experience podcast, Joe & Eddie Bravo tell some hilarious stories about Bas.  He was super nice and fucking CRAZY.
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Re: Rate Bas Rutten as a fighter
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2010, 09:35:05 PM »
Quote from: MindSpin on November 11, 2010, 10:26:09 AM
If you listen to the Rogan Experience podcast, Joe & Eddie Bravo tell some hilarious stories about Bas.  He was super nice and fucking CRAZY.

which podcast episode?
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Re: Rate Bas Rutten as a fighter
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2010, 12:58:52 AM »
In the old era, I rate Mauricio Rua and Vovchanchin as the best.

For showmanship Sakuraba is IMO still the greatest ever.

I'm not sure he's even officially retired.

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Re: Rate Bas Rutten as a fighter
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2010, 09:35:32 AM »
Quote from: claymore on November 06, 2010, 05:30:44 PM
Bas was the MAN in his day.



Notice all the open palm strikes? 

Most fools don't realize that without gloves and tape, open palm strikes are more effective than a closed fist and breaking your hand on a guys' noggin.   

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Re: Rate Bas Rutten as a fighter
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2010, 09:36:09 AM »
Bas was great in Smashing Machine! 
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Re: Rate Bas Rutten as a fighter
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2010, 09:52:05 AM »
Quote from: 333386 on November 12, 2010, 09:35:32 AM
Notice all the open palm strikes? 

Most fools don't realize that without gloves and tape, open palm strikes are more effective than a closed fist and breaking your hand on a guys' noggin.   



Closed fist punching was not allowed in Pancreas, which is why you see all the slapping.  However, Bas was one of the first guys to figure out how to do solid uppercuts & hooks with the open hand.  And, he brought serious kicking into the game.  Most japs didn't know what hit them...
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Re: Rate Bas Rutten as a fighter
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2010, 09:54:28 AM »
Quote from: MindSpin on November 12, 2010, 09:52:05 AM
Closed fist punching was not allowed in Pancreas, which is why you see all the slapping.  However, Bas was one of the first guys to figure out how to do solid uppercuts & hooks with the open hand.  And, he brought serious kicking into the game.  Most japs didn't know what hit them...

Open palm strikes are brutal when done correctly.   
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Re: Rate Bas Rutten as a fighter
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2010, 10:39:19 AM »
Quote from: MindSpin on November 12, 2010, 09:52:05 AM
However, Bas was one of the first guys to figure out how to do solid uppercuts & hooks with the open hand.  And, he brought serious kicking into the game.  Most japs didn't know what hit them...

He is a legend like no other !!


Anyone that ever met him always remarks what a great guy he is too ... he's a man's man .. and a woman's dream ... I wish there were more like him
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Re: Rate Bas Rutten as a fighter
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2010, 11:09:46 AM »
Quote from: w8m8 on November 12, 2010, 10:39:19 AM
He is a legend like no other !!


Anyone that ever met him always remarks what a great guy he is too ... he's a man's man .. and a woman's dream ... I wish there were more like him

We have a hot chick in the MMA board...sweet :)

You should stick around...
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Re: Rate Bas Rutten as a fighter
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2010, 11:23:47 AM »
Quote from: MindSpin on November 12, 2010, 11:09:46 AM
We have a hot chick in the MMA board...sweet :)

You should stick around...

I am a very regular visitor .. it's one of my favorite boards .. thank you  :)
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Re: Rate Bas Rutten as a fighter
« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2010, 11:59:29 AM »
Quote from: w8m8 on November 12, 2010, 11:23:47 AM
I am a very regular visitor .. it's one of my favorite boards .. thank you  :)

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