Do y'all think that it's posible to gain muscle while simultaneously losing fat?

[Deicide]

Drugs are the key to sucess

With any size in any event....

[meathead23]

What other variables are there?

genetics

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genetics

Yeah, this is for sure. As I always say: genetics=everything...

[Shockwave]

What other variables are there?

You realize science cant explain everything yet, right?
Science doesnt know everything that goes on in the human body yet. Thermodynamics is a very broad thing, but i believe there is a lot more going on in the human body than science has discovered yet.

Think about it like this, thermodynamics is like a race engine. Air in=hp out. But there is a lot more variables that effect HOW air gets in and is combusted before its translated into HP.

Calories in=fat/muscles built/stored, or burned. However, like an engine, there is a lot of variables in HOW that energy is converted and used. (Macros, fat, glycogen, how the body uses it, etc)
Thermodynamics just state that calories in vs calories used = weight gain/loss (like an engine, air in vs combustion and parasitic loss=hp out).
But science hasnt fully sorted out the details like muscle built/used or fat stored/shed, based on weight training, macro consumption, etc.

[Deicide]

You realize science cant explain everything yet, right?
Science doesnt know everything that goes on in the human body yet. Thermodynamics is a very broad thing, but i believe there is a lot more going on in the human body than science has discovered yet.

Think about it like this, thermodynamics is like a race engine. Air in=hp out. But there is a lot more variables that effect HOW air gets in and is combusted before its translated into HP.

Calories in=fat/muscles built/stored, or burned. However, like an engine, there is a lot of variables in HOW that energy is converted and used. (Macros, fat, glycogen, how the body uses it, etc)
Thermodynamics just state that calories in vs calories used = weight gain/loss (like an engine, air in vs combustion and parasitic loss=hp out).
But science hasnt fully sorted out the details like muscle built/used or fat stored/shed, based on weight training, macro consumption, etc.

It seems to me that the how part is basically reducable to genetics; someone might succeed in changing his body composition on a slight deficit whilst someone else with very different genetics might fail utterly. Think about it, some people can only put on muscle by the 2g/kg method but others might get massive on just 100g or so regardless of bodyweight. I think the mystery is in individual genetics, which are impossible to really keep track of...because there is so much variety.

[Shockwave]

It seems to me that the how part is basically reducable to genetics; someone might succeed in changing his body composition on a slight deficit whilst someone else with very different genetics might fail utterly. Think about it, some people can only put on muscle by the 2g/kg method but others might get massive on just 100g or so regardless of bodyweight. I think the mystery is in individual genetics, which are impossible to really keep track of...because there is so much variety.

Totally agree. Although sometimes I wonder about how different people really are. I see people all the time that look like people I know, facial structure, body structure, stance, etc, but im 2500 miles away from my home town.

What I mean is, I see people who look very similar all the time, just subtle variations, but same basic structure. Ive been noticing this for a couple years now.

[monstercalves]

It seems to me that the how part is basically reducable to genetics; someone might succeed in changing his body composition on a slight deficit whilst someone else with very different genetics might fail utterly. Think about it, some people can only put on muscle by the 2g/kg method but others might get massive on just 100g or so regardless of bodyweight. I think the mystery is in individual genetics, which are impossible to really keep track of...because there is so much variety.

yep agreed ////// its startin to get technical now lol


basically its seems obvious to me that anyone can put on muscle while losing fat .....

some will be more successful than others though

[Deicide]

Totally agree. Although sometimes I wonder about how different people really are. I see people all the time that look like people I know, facial structure, body structure, stance, etc, but im 2500 miles away from my home town.

What I mean is, I see people who look very similar all the time, just subtle variations, but same basic structure. Ive been noticing this for a couple years now.

Sure, we are all one species but let's just take dude A) many white muscle fibers, long muscle bellies, high natural gh and testosterone production vs. B) mostly red muscle fibers, knotty short muscles and a poor natural hormone production...the fact is, similarities aside, the devil is in the details and those details can make it or break it...

[Master Blaster]

What other variables are there?

 

age of subject

initial percentage of bodyfat

amount of rest/sleep

training type and intensity, time of day training takes place, nutritional intake during/after training

vitamin, mineral, protein intake, hydration

geograpic elevation, oxygen levels/ temperature/amount sunlight based on time of year

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age of subject

initial percentage of bodyfat

amount of rest/sleep

training type and intensity, time of day training takes place, nutritional intake during/after training

vitamin, mineral, protein intake, hydration

geograpic elevation, oxygen levels/ temperature/amount sunlight based on time of year

genetics

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[pellius]

If you are out of shape or rebuilding muscle then, yes. Casey Viator proved it in the Colorado experiment. But when you consider how extremely difficult it is to build muscle beyond your normal genetic predisposition even while on a caloric surplus it becomes for all practical purposes unrealistic. Even on drugs. Losing fat you're on a caloric deficit whereas gaining (whether muscle or otherwise) you're on a caloric surplus.

Of course you can lower your body fat percentage on a caloric surplus if those calories are being use to build muscle. You haven't really lost any body fat but the ratio of fat to muscle has change. This is probably what happens to most who think they are building muscle while losing body fat.

[pellius]

yep agreed ////// its startin to get technical now lol


basically its seems obvious to me that anyone can put on muscle while losing fat .....

some will be more successful than others though

How successful have you been and are you still gaining muscle and losing fat?

[Master Blaster]

fixed

look, if you implanted a bomb inside someones body and said you have three weeks to gain ten pounds of muscle and lose 10 pounds of fat or you will be blown to fucking meat chunks, I'm guessing 70-80% of people would find a way to pull it off, regardless of genetics.

[dj181]

I was on a slight calorie deficit at the time, and my bodyfat level went from 12% to 10.5% and I trained my legs once every 6 days.

[gh15]

the absolit only one single way to burn fat while gaining lean muscle is HUMAN GROWTH HORMONE added to an aas cycle before or during,, there is nothing else out there that will do it,,all the fellas who say there is lie to you ,,all the fellas who say there is always play with same numbers and running from 15% to 10 % depending on weight,, but the only way ot actually gain size as in gain lean muscle and see the weight go up on scale while starting to see your abs and going down in bf% to singles is the use of hgh,,

this is not if or buts thats the ONLY way this is the secret behind bodybuilding in the last 20+ years and behind any sport

gh15 approved

[benchmstr]

If you are out of shape or rebuilding muscle then, yes. Casey Viator proved it in the Colorado experiment. But when you consider how extremely difficult it is to build muscle beyond your normal genetic predisposition even while on a caloric surplus it becomes for all practical purposes unrealistic. Even on drugs. Losing fat you're on a caloric deficit whereas gaining (whether muscle or otherwise) you're on a caloric surplus.

Of course you can lower your body fat percentage on a caloric surplus if those calories are being use to build muscle. You haven't really lost any body fat but the ratio of fat to muscle has change. This is probably what happens to most who think they are building muscle while losing body fat.

yeah, in about a year i think i wont growing any more in a natural state....i think its gone as bout as far as it can....its gonna suck not growing anymore...

bench

[benchmstr]

the absolit only one single way to burn fat while gaining lean muscle is HUMAN GROWTH HORMONE added to an aas cycle before or during,, there is nothing else out there that will do it,,all the fellas who say there is lie to you ,,all the fellas who say there is always play with same numbers and running from 15% to 10 % depending on weight,, but the only way ot actually gain size as in gain lean muscle and see the weight go up on scale while starting to see your abs and going down in bf% to singles is the use of hgh,,

this is not if or buts thats the ONLY way this is the secret behind bodybuilding in the last 20+ years and behind any sport

gh15 approved

i heard you are thinking about entering your first show?

bench

[gh15]

i heard you are thinking about entering your first show?

bench

clown,, for a cop who sit on board all day long and live on texas usa and talk a big talk you are yet to show anything,,youre a gym rat and nothing more than a gym rat ,,you get all your supply through my people,,infact i probably have more guys in the force that can fuck you up from within than you have actual friends there,,the problem is youre not there and i woudnt waste a second on you,,

to your question,,what i forgot yesterday you will learn MAYBE tomorrow,, youre a wanna be ,,im the real deal,,start looking into the past read through the bible and you shall see ,,gh15 is the real deal,,you just came along too late,,but i have absolit athority for a reason,,


gh15 approved

[g101]

does GH also help with retaining hair thickness and even re-growing lost hair ?

[benchmstr]

clown,, for a cop who sit on board all day long and live on texas usa and talk a big talk you are yet to show anything,,youre a gym rat and nothing more than a gym rat ,,you get all your supply through my people,,infact i probably have more guys in the force that can fuck you up from within than you have actual friends there,,the problem is youre not there and i woudnt waste a second on you,,

to your question,,what i forgot yesterday you will learn MAYBE tomorrow,, youre a wanna be ,,im the real deal,,start looking into the past read through the bible and you shall see ,,gh15 is the real deal,,you just came along too late,,but i have absolit athority for a reason,,


gh15 approved

hows cali treating you?

 

bench

[dj181]

Oh fvck! An answer from da man hisself gh15 refuting ma claims :0 Yeah I know dat gaining 6 lean pounds while losing 2.5 fat pounds ain't all dat impressive, but I did do this in 6 weeks while taking absolutely no chemicals. P.S. My bodyfat was tested by a rather high-player in da game J.M. Blakely, wit a 700 pound bp to his credit and even an exercise named after him, the JM press. So I think dat we can trust his bodyfat readings

[gh15]

does GH also help with retaining hair thickness and even re-growing lost hair ?

no hair is pre determined and height too ,,you can get taller on gh if you are teen but never later on in life,, what gh does is take you back to age 18 in a matter of days,,you eat at 6 pm? you gonna be huungry again at 7 pm then again hungry at 9 pm and then again hungy hungy hungy all the time,,thats why we can eat so much with all the maga dosing of roids,,because no one coudl eat shit with al the anapolon and test and trenbolona we take we do it in veery high doses and it shuts down the hunger and its a serious problem what solve it is the growth hormone,,gh simply let you eat and gets you lean at the same time ,,why? becaus it grow you as in send food to create new muscle fibers,,not some blow up crap but real tissue ,,new tissue,,the tissue doesnt show up in a day but within number of weeks its there ,,and its start being created from the first day you are on gh,,aas will develop this tissue into the freaks beasts and mutation you see now days,,

gh15 approved

[gh15]

a good example of a fella on gh and only on gh majority of time is that swimmer michael phelps,,he is prime exampel of fella who use gh and prime athlete,,look what it did to him

gh15 approved

[benchmstr]

a good example of a fella on gh and only on gh majority of time is that swimmer michael phelps,,he is prime exampel of fella who use gh and prime athlete,,look what it did to him

gh15 approved

it got him some medals, and a subway contract!!

bench

[g101]

phelps looks very lean but zero thickness

thank god for testosterone