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« on: November 09, 2010, 06:07:43 PM »
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40095887/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times

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Some please help me understand this as I'm 31 now and been out of high school too long to understand kids today...
I understand this thread will get negative really quick...I'm not understanding why this is and has been like this for so long...I mean we're talking about freaking high school...
Myself, Parker, G-thang, Dr. Kadje, Mal, Benny Blanco (I think), and Bay are all college grads...I cant speak of others because I don't know...This shit makes me sad...I wish there were a simple answer but I'm quite baffled by the numbers...What makes us different from others?


An achievement gap separating black from white students has long been documented — a social divide extremely vexing to policy makers and the target of one blast of school reform after another.

But a new report focusing on black males suggests that the picture is even bleaker than generally known.

Only 12 percent of black fourth-grade boys are proficient in reading, compared with 38 percent of white boys, and only 12 percent of black eighth-grade boys are proficient in math, compared with 44 percent of white boys.

Poverty alone does not seem to explain the differences: poor white boys do just as well as African-American boys who do not live in poverty, measured by whether they qualify for subsidized school lunches.

The data was distilled from highly respected national math and reading tests, known as the National Assessment for Educational Progress, which are given to students in fourth and eighth grades, most recently in 2009. The report, “A Call for Change,” is to be released Tuesday by the Council of the Great City Schools, an advocacy group for urban public schools.

Although the outlines of the problem and many specifics have been previously reported, the group hopes that including so much of what it calls “jaw-dropping data” in one place will spark a new sense of national urgency.

“What this clearly shows is that black males who are not eligible for free and reduced-price lunch are doing no better than white males who are poor,” said Michael Casserly, executive director of the council.

The report shows that black boys on average fall behind from their earliest years. Black mothers have a higher infant mortality rate and black children are twice as likely as whites to live in a home where no parent has a job. In high school, African-American boys drop out at nearly twice the rate of white boys, and their SAT scores are on average 104 points lower. In college, black men represented just 5 percent of students in 2008. :-X :-X :-X

The analysis of results on the national tests found that math scores in 2009 for black boys were not much different than those for black girls in Grades 4 and 8, but black boys lagged behind Hispanics of both sexes, and they fell behind white boys by at least 30 points, a gap sometimes interpreted as three academic grades.

The search for explanations has recently looked at causes besides poverty, and this report may further spur those efforts.

“There’s accumulating evidence that there are racial differences in what kids experience before the first day of kindergarten,” said Ronald Ferguson, director of the Achievement Gap Initiative at Harvard. “They have to do with a lot of sociological and historical forces. In order to address those, we have to be able to have conversations that people are unwilling to have.”

Those include “conversations about early childhood parenting practices,” Dr. Ferguson said. “The activities that parents conduct with their 2-, 3- and 4-year-olds. How much we talk to them, the ways we talk to them, the ways we enforce discipline, the ways we encourage them to think and develop a sense of autonomy.”

The report urges convening a White House conference, encouraging Congress to appropriate more money for schools and establishing networks of black mentors.

What it does not discuss are policy responses identified with a robust school reform movement that emphasizes closing failing schools, offering charter schools as alternatives and raising the quality of teachers.

The report did not go down this road because “there’s not a lot of research to indicate that many of those strategies produce better results,” Mr. Casserly said.

Other have a different response. The key to narrowing the achievement gap, said Dr. Ferguson, is “really good teaching.”

One large urban school district that has made progress is Baltimore’s, where the dropout rate for African-American boys declined to 4.9 percent during the last academic year, down from 11.9 percent three years earlier. Graduation rates for black boys were also up: 57 percent in 2009-10, compared with 51 percent three years earlier.

Andres A. Alonso, the chief executive of the Baltimore City Public Schools, said the improvement had little to do with changes at the margins, like lengthening the school day or adding mentors. Rather, Mr. Alonso cited aggressively closing failing schools, knocking on the doors of dropouts’ homes to lure them back and creating real-time alerts — “almost like an electrical charge” — when a student misses several days of school.

“Hispanic kids and African-American kids this year had a lower dropout rate than white kids,” Mr. Alonso said.

This article, Proficiency of Black Students Is Found to Be Far Lower Than Expected, first appeared in The New York Times.
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Re: Black education gap looks even bleaker...WTF?
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2010, 06:09:24 PM »
Wiggs, have you read Super Freakanomics?  The author talks about what it takes to REALLY improve schools in detailed analysis.

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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2010, 06:09:57 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2010, 06:11:22 PM »
Wigglet........all I'm gonna say about this is it is the "black culture" fault.......meaning black heros are the gangsters and rappers and drug dealers.........so young black kids want that, don't want to be Cliff Huxtable........that's too hard, being a piece of shit is easy.
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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2010, 06:17:57 PM »
Educated parents play a major role in how well a child develops, especially the mother.

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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2010, 06:19:44 PM »
want to know what's sad wiggs?

Women got a later start than blacks did

and now theres more women doctors and women lawyers than men lawyers and men doctors

strange that affirmative action worked with women but not blacks, isn't it?

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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2010, 06:21:21 PM »
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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2010, 06:28:13 PM »
Wigglet........all I'm gonna say about this is it is the "black culture" fault.......meaning black heros are the gangsters and rappers and drug dealers.........so young black kids want that, don't want to be Cliff Huxtable........that's too hard, being a piece of shit is easy.
Truth you might wanna add the nfl and nba but that might end wiggs quasi racist theories.


Point is black americans and whites live in completely different worlds. expecting the same results with very different culture, isnt realistic.  

Theres loads of shit that shows black students tend not to value academics or take the right approaches etc.

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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2010, 06:28:26 PM »
g_thang is a college grad?  :D

Just kidding chico, I know this is just your "gimmick" and you play dumb.
At least in the US, everyone has a bachelors degree. It's like a HS diploma was 20 years ago. Kids are deluded into thinking that once they get that piece of paper it's your ticket to millions, sunshine, and gumdrops. I'm a moron and I got one. Most jobs where you want to make more than 10 bucks an hour requires one( a college degree), now.

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« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2010, 06:32:00 PM »
im gonna give you the answer, and it simple


your communities are failing yourselves, young blacks are having babies like buying a new pair of shoes, and then pawning the children off to the grandparent......or on parent raising them alone..............black children are being raised with the wrong role models, they are raised by their peers and rappers to think that trying in school means your a sellout uncle tom


and heres the catch.............no one is saying this..............no one is being honest and saying the truth: BLACK PARENTS ARE FAILING BLACK CHILDREN


instread they blame the teachers..........adn blame the schools.........and demand more money be pumped into the schools

which is bullshit......teachers jobs are to TEACH......not fucking raise dilenquent children.

a childs development consists of an equation betweeen the parents teaching discipline and life skills.........and the teacher teaching academic stuff


black parents are not fufilling their end of the bargain, and the teachers are tryin to teach animals..........and instead of anyone callin gout the parents they call out the teachers...........and demand more money be pumped into the schools

if parents are doing their job..........children should have the discipline to learn in a fucking one room school house............a desk, a black board, and a book........THATS IT

my grandparents all went ot school in one room schoolhouses, and they learned..........because they were disciplined to sit and learn





its so much easier to keep blaming teachers and keep blaming not enough money being pumped into the schools..........cause peopel are afraid to acknowledge the root............which is bad parenting



again, if children are correctly raised by their parents...........they could learn under ANY circumstances........... ..

but these crooked black politicians are gonan keep demanding more money for inner city schools, and it will continue to go to waster.........cause that is not the problem

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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2010, 06:32:01 PM »
At least in the US, everyone has a bachelors degree. It's like a HS diploma was 20 years ago. Kids are deluded into thinking that once they get that piece of paper it's your ticket to millions, sunshine, and gumdrops. I'm a moron and I got one. Most jobs where you want to make more than 10 bucks an hour requires one( a college degree), now.
The apparent pointlessness of a degree I think effect black kids. Also the lack of people from their parents generation with degree who also advocate them also is part of it.

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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2010, 06:37:01 PM »
The apparent pointlessness of a degree I think effect black kids. Also the lack of people from their parents generation with degree who also advocate them also is part of it.

College isn't about getting a degree, it's about expanding your mind, learning to think logically, problem solve and work in situations similar to the real world (i.e. group projects, public speaking etc).  The degree is just a piece of paper, the experience is more important.  While I'm a firm believer college isn't for everyone, I do think it's important beyond just the paper for many people.  Hell, even going to a community college is a huge plus to someone who has only a HS education.

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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2010, 06:41:29 PM »
BTW only around 18% percent of people have a Bachelor's degree, 6% Masters and 3% PhD, or equal.....
They aren't as common as you think, they Bachelor's don't  mean that much anymore cause they are more common....
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« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2010, 06:48:33 PM »
There are lies and then there are statistics. Black Americans make up 12% of the total U.S. population with White Americans making up the vast majority. Using a population sample from each you're gonna have a skewed result that whites out perform blacks. Of course.. you have more white kids to draw from to justify your position. Also more white parents are able to afford to not only send their kids to good schools but also have the time to nurture their kids educational pursuits. How many of "us" here were latch key kids? How many of us had to take our own initiative in doing our homework and studying? I'm in my 30's as well and I'm sure Wiggs, Mal, Parker can agree with me that we grew up during a very different time than today. When it comes to articles such as these I choose not to read them. It's the same as knowing that people set you up to fail then blame you for failing..
Are you saying whites get more hours per day than blacks? How many of "us" (whites) were latchkey kids? How many of us had to take initiative to do our own studying and homework? Difference is when our parents came home they actually checked to make sure our homework was done, they didn't come home and ignore us. It's not about time, it's about not being fuckin lazy as a parent.
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« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2010, 06:51:00 PM »
Are you saying whites get more hours per day than blacks? How many of "us" (whites) were latchkey kids? How many of us had to take initiative to do our own studying and homework? Difference is when our parents came home they actually checked to make sure our homework was done, they didn't come home and ignore us. It's not about time, it's about not being fuckin lazy as a parent.
dont waste your time bro...some people just want to blame someone else...they cant except the fact that they are lazy, and created the problem...

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« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2010, 06:52:20 PM »
There are lies and then there are statistics. Black Americans make up 12% of the total U.S. population with White Americans making up the vast majority. Using a population sample from each you're gonna have a skewed result that whites out perform blacks. Of course.. you have more white kids to draw from to justify your position. Also more white parents are able to afford to not only send their kids to good schools but also have the time to nurture their kids educational pursuits. How many of "us" here were latch key kids? How many of us had to take our own initiative in doing our homework and studying? I'm in my 30's as well and I'm sure Wiggs, Mal, Parker can agree with me that we grew up during a very different time than today. When it comes to articles such as these I choose not to read them. It's the same as knowing that people set you up to fail then blame you for failing..


your an idiot.............your assuming anthropologists dont understand basic statistics ::) ::) ::)


or how to take averages or interpolate results on a per capita basis





believe it or not, when they do studies,,,,,,,,,,they take into account the fact that blacks are 12-13% of the population ::) ::)




50% of 50 million is the same thing as 50% of 230 million people.............cause it expresses a percentage withing a population that fulfills whatever criteria being studied


your should be ashamed of you stupidity



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Re: Black education gap looks even bleaker...WTF?
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2010, 06:53:20 PM »
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40095887/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times

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Some please help me understand this as I'm 31 now and been out of high school too long to understand kids today...
I understand this thread will get negative really quick...I'm not understanding why this is and has been like this for so long...I mean we're talking about freaking high school...
Myself, Parker, G-thang, Dr. Kadje, Benny Blanco (I think), and Bay are all college grads...I cant speak of others because I don't know...This shit makes me sad...I wish there were a simple answer but I'm quite baffled by the numbers...What makes us different from others?


An achievement gap separating black from white students has long been documented — a social divide extremely vexing to policy makers and the target of one blast of school reform after another.

But a new report focusing on black males suggests that the picture is even bleaker than generally known.

Only 12 percent of black fourth-grade boys are proficient in reading, compared with 38 percent of white boys, and only 12 percent of black eighth-grade boys are proficient in math, compared with 44 percent of white boys.

Poverty alone does not seem to explain the differences: poor white boys do just as well as African-American boys who do not live in poverty, measured by whether they qualify for subsidized school lunches.

The data was distilled from highly respected national math and reading tests, known as the National Assessment for Educational Progress, which are given to students in fourth and eighth grades, most recently in 2009. The report, “A Call for Change,” is to be released Tuesday by the Council of the Great City Schools, an advocacy group for urban public schools.

Although the outlines of the problem and many specifics have been previously reported, the group hopes that including so much of what it calls “jaw-dropping data” in one place will spark a new sense of national urgency.

“What this clearly shows is that black males who are not eligible for free and reduced-price lunch are doing no better than white males who are poor,” said Michael Casserly, executive director of the council.

The report shows that black boys on average fall behind from their earliest years. Black mothers have a higher infant mortality rate and black children are twice as likely as whites to live in a home where no parent has a job. In high school, African-American boys drop out at nearly twice the rate of white boys, and their SAT scores are on average 104 points lower. In college, black men represented just 5 percent of students in 2008. :-X :-X :-X

The analysis of results on the national tests found that math scores in 2009 for black boys were not much different than those for black girls in Grades 4 and 8, but black boys lagged behind Hispanics of both sexes, and they fell behind white boys by at least 30 points, a gap sometimes interpreted as three academic grades.

The search for explanations has recently looked at causes besides poverty, and this report may further spur those efforts.

“There’s accumulating evidence that there are racial differences in what kids experience before the first day of kindergarten,” said Ronald Ferguson, director of the Achievement Gap Initiative at Harvard. “They have to do with a lot of sociological and historical forces. In order to address those, we have to be able to have conversations that people are unwilling to have.”

Those include “conversations about early childhood parenting practices,” Dr. Ferguson said. “The activities that parents conduct with their 2-, 3- and 4-year-olds. How much we talk to them, the ways we talk to them, the ways we enforce discipline, the ways we encourage them to think and develop a sense of autonomy.”

The report urges convening a White House conference, encouraging Congress to appropriate more money for schools and establishing networks of black mentors.

What it does not discuss are policy responses identified with a robust school reform movement that emphasizes closing failing schools, offering charter schools as alternatives and raising the quality of teachers.

The report did not go down this road because “there’s not a lot of research to indicate that many of those strategies produce better results,” Mr. Casserly said.

Other have a different response. The key to narrowing the achievement gap, said Dr. Ferguson, is “really good teaching.”

One large urban school district that has made progress is Baltimore’s, where the dropout rate for African-American boys declined to 4.9 percent during the last academic year, down from 11.9 percent three years earlier. Graduation rates for black boys were also up: 57 percent in 2009-10, compared with 51 percent three years earlier.

Andres A. Alonso, the chief executive of the Baltimore City Public Schools, said the improvement had little to do with changes at the margins, like lengthening the school day or adding mentors. Rather, Mr. Alonso cited aggressively closing failing schools, knocking on the doors of dropouts’ homes to lure them back and creating real-time alerts — “almost like an electrical charge” — when a student misses several days of school.

“Hispanic kids and African-American kids this year had a lower dropout rate than white kids,” Mr. Alonso said.

This article, Proficiency of Black Students Is Found to Be Far Lower Than Expected, first appeared in The New York Times.

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As much as some black people loathe George Bush, what he said while promoting the "No Child Left Behind" sticks with me to this day: We MUST end the soft bigotry of low expectations.

My mother worked two jobs to put me through private school. Heck, she even ended up learning to drive an 18-wheeler, to save for my education. This was in the 80s, when female truck drivers were few and far in between, and BLACK FEMALE drivers were virtually non-existent.

Politically speaking, that's why I'm for school vouchers. I refuse to believe that black children (or any children, for that matter) should be at the mercy of the unions and goofs who run public schools in the inner cities.

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Re: Black education gap looks even bleaker...WTF?
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2010, 06:55:06 PM »
dont waste your time bro...some people just want to blame someone else...they cant except the fact that they are lazy, and created the problem...

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« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2010, 06:56:05 PM »
Thanks, I was about to get carried away......... :D
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« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2010, 06:56:49 PM »
Asians have superior command of intellectual power much like Aryans.
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« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2010, 07:01:25 PM »
im gonna give you the answer, and it simple


your communities are failing yourselves, young blacks are having babies like buying a new pair of shoes, and then pawning the children off to the grandparent......or on parent raising them alone..............black children are being raised with the wrong role models, they are raised by their peers and rappers to think that trying in school means your a sellout uncle tom


and heres the catch.............no one is saying this..............no one is being honest and saying the truth: BLACK PARENTS ARE FAILING BLACK CHILDREN
instread they blame the teachers..........adn blame the schools.........and demand more money be pumped into the schools

which is bullshit......teachers jobs are to TEACH......not fucking raise dilenquent children.

a childs development consists of an equation betweeen the parents teaching discipline and life skills.........and the teacher teaching academic stuff


black parents are not fufilling their end of the bargain, and the teachers are tryin to teach animals..........and instead of anyone callin gout the parents they call out the teachers...........and demand more money be pumped into the schools

if parents are doing their job..........children should have the discipline to learn in a fucking one room school house............a desk, a black board, and a book........THATS IT

my grandparents all went ot school in one room schoolhouses, and they learned..........because they were disciplined to sit and learn





its so much easier to keep blaming teachers and keep blaming not enough money being pumped into the schools..........cause peopel are afraid to acknowledge the root............which is bad parenting



again, if children are correctly raised by their parents...........they could learn under ANY circumstances........... ..

but these crooked black politicians are gonan keep demanding more money for inner city schools, and it will continue to go to waster.........cause that is not the problem


well said!  I think you hit it on the head with this one.   Everywhere I see, I see a young black female with about 5-6 kids, and no father at all in the picture.  these kids have like 3-4 dads.  The moms are on welfare, or trying to get disability.  trying harder to get out of work than actually work.  then they blame the government, etc.  so they keep having kids.



i think there are two major reasons why blacks are falling:

1. single black moms who have no education, who keep having kids.  these kids are basically neglected and have no future to begin with

2.  there is no sence of responsibility in the black community.  nothing is their fault, there is always someone to blame. and they rely to much on others (ie. the goverment) to fix every single problem they have in life.

and also 3, i just don;t think the IQ is all that high, genetically speaking, so if you add 1,2, and 3, that may explain the gap.
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Re: Black education gap looks even bleaker...WTF?
« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2010, 07:01:58 PM »
Asians have superior command of intellectual power much like Aryans.
except asians complete lack of penis size, and badassery...

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« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2010, 07:03:00 PM »
except asians complete lack of penis size, and badassery...

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« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2010, 07:03:23 PM »
This expectation that blacks are just gonna jump through hoops just to get what white people got aint gonna work. Its expectations. As long as a black man still got a girl even if he dont got a real job is what causes the problem alot of issues of no mixing of white and black and so social necessity to getting educated

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