Black education gap looks even bleaker...WTF?

[Lundgren]

i think you have to put a lot of the blame at the feet of popular culture. The role models that the black youth of today look up to have no indications of any education (T.I, lil wayne....etc) like it or not the majority of black youth look to pop culture as their inspiration, and when you inspiration is phones, shoes, and rims...... well education takes a back seat (no pun intended on the whole back seat back of the bus thing).

again your putting all the blame on blacks there in control but the forced comparison to whites is what cause the problem. You expect them to behave like other people when you don't understand why whites are the way they are.
It's not as direct as just yelling at your kids it's alot of passive shit.

[The Showstoppa]

The parental involvement is overstated. My parents were marignally involved in my academics. I was independant never even crossed their mind to instill shit in me.

I learned because it was the world I lived in. The women would talk about being nurse " the plative care unit is moving to the west wing obstetrics are having afit etc" the men would talk about a job they did the size of tax forums etc. Me my brothers and cousins would be fucking around with toy gunpoweder rockets, taken apart rc cars, bill 6 foot towers out of lego's(dad taught us how to make strong structure) etc. I was born to be an engineer not because my parents even know what the fuck it's about but because it was the world I grew up in. 

Point is this is the shit black kids don't have access to, a passive enviroment that advocates learning. My parents never forced shit on me nor did any of my cousins do that shit, we all just knew what we wanted to do. This is why you can't expect blacks to behave like whites.

Sure you can tell your black kid to work hard etcetera, but it's harder to force your will on someone and much easier to passively influence.

You are more the exception, than the rule. 

[Option D]

again your putting all the blame on blacks there in control but the forced comparison to whites is what cause the problem. You expect them to behave like other people when you don't understand why whites are the way they are.
It's not as direct as just yelling at your kids it's alot of passive shit.

Its in the blood.. genetically

[MCWAY]

What school did you go to?

Hint: We 'Strike...and Strike....and STRIKE AGAIN!!!" and we have the baddest band in the land.

[ToxicAvenger]

<i'm taking a break today> NO STUDYING 4 ME!  

anyhow...a black afrian student from 3rd world pakistan(or russia or india) can beat the bloody pannies of ANY american kid....black white or chink....

why....

cause when kids dont study and work hard in those countries .....

1) they get beat by their parents
2) their future involves begging...and being homeless


kids in Amreeka dont have to worry about not making it....cause welfare and the govt will take care of you....   = breeding dumbfucks

now ya understand why i dislike obammer?

[Option D]

Hint: We 'Strike...and Strike....and STRIKE AGAIN!!!" and we have the baddest band in the land.

Well evey black college says their band is the best.. but i would guess its southern in BR

[Lundgren]

You are more the exception, than the rule.  

I donno somewhat true, but I think there's a underlying truth, that's often missed. Even amongst white people wealth stays in families, and not because of parental focus on academics. I think the amount of passive shit you pic up from parents where there not trying force goals on you is greatly ignored,.  My parents didn't teach or force they exposed, I just passively pick up on shit like credit cards are bad, people that waste money on trying to look a certain way are fucked etc.

Even my uncles taught me shit without being preachy, like uncle B why'd yo goto the mainland. Well boy I fucked up had no education. (he didn't tell me to get one, he made it apparent that I had no choice). Blacks don't have that no choice scenario, or when they do it usually means I gotta be a baller or drug dealer I ain't getting out of here any other way.

You can't expose black kids to shit if you don't got it. My parents got it because they were forced into by their parents back when we still had familiy values(when blacks were legal). This is the difference. We got a head start that blacks can't get access too.

[MCWAY]

Well evey black college says their band is the best.. but i would guess its southern in BR

Nope!!

It's FAMU!!

 

[big L dawg]

fact...ohio state buckeyes have the best damn band in the land...

[Lundgren]

<i'm taking a break today> NO STUDYING 4 ME!  

anyhow...a black afrian student from 3rd world pakistan(or russia or india) can beat the bloody pannies of ANY american kid....black white or chink....

why....

cause when kids dont study and work hard in those countries .....

1) they get beat by their parents
2) their future involves begging...and being homeless


kids in Amreeka dont have to worry about not making it....cause welfare and the govt will take care of you....   = breeding dumbfucks

now ya understand why i dislike obammer?

Dude your just some rich kid that think everyone lives in your world. Most people in the third world are poor and lazy and shit. You like to pretend everyone is hard workingback home just so you don't feel guilty about having it so much better.

[The Showstoppa]

I donno somewhat true, but I think there's a underlying truth, that's often missed. Even amongst white people wealth stays in families, and not because of parental focus on academics. I think the amount of passive shit you pic up from parents where there not trying force goals on you is greatly ignored,.  My parents didn't teach or force they exposed, I just passively pick up on shit like credit cards are bad, people that waste money on trying to look a certain way are fucked etc.

Even my uncles taught me shit without being preachy, like uncle B why'd yo goto the mainland. Well boy I fucked up had no education. (he didn't tell me to get one, he made it apparent that I had no choice). Blacks don't have that no choice scenario, or when they do it usually means I gotta be a baller or drug dealer I ain't getting out of here any other way.

You can't expose black kids to shit if you don't got it. My parents got it because they were forced into by their parents back when we still had familiy values(when blacks were legal). This is the difference. We got a head start that blacks can't get access too.

There are different types of parental involvement......for example you were expected to do well academically, have good credit, etc... and that is a great way of parenting.....just go about your business and set a good example for you kids......that doesn't happen often enough in the "ghetto" and "trailer parks" of america

[Lundgren]

There are different types of parental involvement......for example you were expected to do well academically, have good credit, etc... and that is a great way of parenting.....just go about your business and set a good example for you kids......that doesn't happen often enough in the "ghetto" and "trailer parks" of america

Well its near impossible if your parents don't got it, which kinda is my point. They don't got it you can't get it. Back in the 50 shit was different now shit is beyond what is healthy.

Even third world folk have super tight families, when they come here there family structure gets destroyed, and they become thugs etc.

[ToxicAvenger]

Dude your just some rich kid that think everyone lives in your world. Most people in the third world are poor and lazy and shit. You like to pretend everyone is hard workingback home just so you don't feel guilty about having it so much better.

go visit the engineering department at your local university...

its FULL of  POOR  3rd world indian and pakistani doods that made it here on scholarships and work 2 jobs to make tution and STILL beat the bloody pannies of off everyone else  

100 rupees makes a dollar....sooo ok i might have had it easy..BUT i ws still in college at 15 and raping my white 1st world educated counterparts.....  

keep making excuses...you must be a democrat  

[The Showstoppa]

Well its near impossible if your parents don't got it, which kinda is my point. They don't got it you can't get it. Back in the 50 shit was different now shit is beyond what is healthy.

Even third world folk have super tight families, when they come here there family structure gets destroyed, and they become thugs etc.

but someone has to break the cycle of the shitty parenting thing......and most are not strong enough to do it, but there are exceptions.....there just needs to be more of the leaders of the community and people who are looked up to speaking up about it.....great example is mal.....he's not "farrakhan or sharpton" but he clearly does what he can within his community......needs to be way more of that for things to change.

[TommyBoy]

At least in the US, everyone has a bachelors degree. It's like a HS diploma was 20 years ago. Kids are deluded into thinking that once they get that piece of paper it's your ticket to millions, sunshine, and gumdrops. I'm a moron and I got one. Most jobs where you want to make more than 10 bucks an hour requires one( a college degree), now.

This is EXACTLY what I tell my dumbass nephew, but NOOOOO, he doesn't want to go to college OR the military. What are you going to do kid?

[Lundgren]

go visit the engineering department at your local university...

its FULL of  POOR  3rd world indian and pakistani doods that made it here on scholarships and work 2 jobs to make tution and STILL beat the bloody pannies of off everyone else 

100 rupees makes a dollar....sooo ok i might have had it easy..BUT i ws still in college at 15 and raping my white 1st world educated counterparts..... 

keep making excuses...you must be a democrat 

Dude you one in a billion, your not the norm, you got a lot of people so a few shinning stars shine through. That's to be expected but the idea that indians are genius or super hard working is a myth,

[Lundgren]

but someone has to break the cycle of the shitty parenting thing......and most are not strong enough to do it, but there are exceptions.....there just needs to be more of the leaders of the community and people who are looked up to speaking up about it.....great example is mal.....he's not "farrakhan or sharpton" but he clearly does what he can within his community......needs to be way more of that for things to change.

I'd agree but I don't think it's automatically parents, there needs to be a way to channel this shit to young blacks kids, as I said passively.

Even if it meant something as cheezy as getting sean puffy combs to make video's to high school students and making then watch it in class.

[The Showstoppa]

I'd agree but I don't think it's automatically parents, there needs to be a way to channel this shit to young blacks kids, as I said passively.

Even if it meant something as cheezy as getting sean puffy combs to make video's to high school students and making then watch it in class.

There is quite a bit of evidence that its expectations that make a huge difference.  There was a story recently where I live where a principal took over a school that was lagging behind.....within 1 yr he had scores significantly up......when asked what it was....he emphasized just a "we are going to do it" attitude among the students AND teachers.....no excuses, no bs....you are expected to do well and you will.....great lesson in that.

[Lundgren]

There is quite a bit of evidence that its expectations that make a huge difference.  There was a story recently where I live where a principal took over a school that was lagging behind.....within 1 yr he had scores significantly up......when asked what it was....he emphasized just a "we are going to do it" attitude among the students AND teachers.....no excuses, no bs....you are expected to do well and you will.....great lesson in that.

Agreed, I just think if you could get sports and hip hop people explaining the real behind the scenes stuff they'd stop with the bullshit dreams and get real.

[ToxicAvenger]

Dude you one in a billion, your not the norm, you got a lot of people so a few shinning stars shine through. That's to be expected but the idea that indians are genius or super hard working is a myth,

i'm usually surprised when i encounter a stupid indian or pakistani...

go to your local university....and look at the engineering dept and the math and physics dept...mostly brown people..the whites r all ruskies

go to your local hospital...whats the ratio of whitie to blackie to brown doctors??

yeeeeeah....for a minority thats population wise less of a minority than spanish...mexican and black...we sure seem to have a lot of doctors , engineers and even TOP folks at NASA.....

sorry mate...the whole "beating the smart into your kids" WORKS....

not that i'm complaining...i'm perfectly happy with you black and white and spanish people not disciplining your kids and breeding dumbfucks! i like making more $ cause everyone else is too stupid    i encourage you not to discipline your kiddies  

[The Showstoppa]

Agreed, I just think if you could get sports and hip hop people explaining the real behind the scenes stuff they'd stop with the bullshit dreams and get real.

It would help, but the problem is they buy into the culture so early in life and its damn near impossible once its so ingrained......too many of the athletes and rappers would prefer to keep the illusion alive....and all it takes is a few to try to make anybody who speaks out against it as not "down in the hood" etc...  but there are some who do, they just don't get the publicity that the assholes do.

[MCWAY]

Just so you understand where I'm coming from, I think most Americans PERIOD are too stupid to think for themselves, black, white, yellow, brown, whatever.

And as I've stated over and over, yes, churches and public schools (aided by the mass media) are complicit in the destruction of free thought.

As far as the black community is concerned, the problem is that too many black men only end up in church, carried in a casket. The destruction of the nuclear family has shown its most devastating effects within African-American circles. Part of that family is the church.

My mother kept me in church and in religious private school. That kept me out of trouble and showed me the importance of a good education.

I didn't hang in the streets, because I had plenty of other things to do with my church family: bowling, Ice Cream socials, visiting nurisng homes, church softball league, giving out Thanksgiving baskets, etc.

[Option D]

There is quite a bit of evidence that its expectations that make a huge difference. 

Expectations do dictate success, if you fill the pool...they gotta learn to swim in that depth..

[Captain Equipoise]

This is EXACTLY what I tell my dumbass nephew, but NOOOOO, he doesn't want to go to college OR the military. What are you going to do kid?

Hahaha, sounds like the next eminem...you should give him a beatdown

[Rhomboids]

im gonna give you the answer, and it simple


your communities are failing yourselves, young blacks are having babies like buying a new pair of shoes, and then pawning the children off to the grandparent......or on parent raising them alone..............black children are being raised with the wrong role models, they are raised by their peers and rappers to think that trying in school means your a sellout uncle tom


and heres the catch.............no one is saying this..............no one is being honest and saying the truth: BLACK PARENTS ARE FAILING BLACK CHILDREN


instread they blame the teachers..........adn blame the schools.........and demand more money be pumped into the schools

which is bullshit......teachers jobs are to TEACH......not fucking raise dilenquent children.

a childs development consists of an equation betweeen the parents teaching discipline and life skills.........and the teacher teaching academic stuff


black parents are not fufilling their end of the bargain, and the teachers are tryin to teach animals..........and instead of anyone callin gout the parents they call out the teachers...........and demand more money be pumped into the schools

if parents are doing their job..........children should have the discipline to learn in a fucking one room school house............a desk, a black board, and a book........THATS IT

my grandparents all went ot school in one room schoolhouses, and they learned..........because they were disciplined to sit and learn





its so much easier to keep blaming teachers and keep blaming not enough money being pumped into the schools..........cause peopel are afraid to acknowledge the root............which is bad parenting



again, if children are correctly raised by their parents...........they could learn under ANY circumstances........... ..

but these crooked black politicians are gonan keep demanding more money for inner city schools, and it will continue to go to waster.........cause that is not the problem

i'm a nyc teacher and you're absolutely right.  The talking heads from the networks make a big deal about this documentary, 'waiting for superman.'  It's all bullshit because at the end of the day, you gotta stop making excuses and look at yourself.  Kids are a representation of their parents.