Black education gap looks even bleaker...WTF?

[~UN_$ung~]

i'm a nyc teacher and you're absolutely right.  The talking heads from the networks make a big deal about this documentary, 'waiting for superman.'  It's all bullshit because at the end of the day, you gotta stop making excuses and look at yourself.  Kids are a representation of their parents.

thats the whole thing........there are such unrealistic expectations placed on teacher........you simply CANNOT teach an animal


they want the fucking teacher to be magicians, goinng outt of their way.......staying after school........busting their ass.......MOST TEACHER GET PAID fucking 40 some thousand a year, people are lucky they are trying at all

you see it shouldnt matter how hard teachers try, or how boring they are.,........if they sit up there are read like ben stein from the wonder years out of a book......it shouldnt fucking matter, children should have the discipline instilled by their parents to sit there, and learn


my grandparents all went to one room school houses, where there was a book, a desk, a black board, and a shitty teacher............but they sat and learned abnd became very succesful in life

like 'toxic avenger' said every engineering and math department in the colleges BEST UNIVERSITIES are filled with indians, and east asians, and pakastanis.........who learned in fuckin DIRT TENTS, sitting on logs in the middle of a dirt village...........and they are wipign the floor with us, because they try their asses off, their parents discipline them, and convey the importance of gettin gout of poverty..............


its a fucking lie, all the politicians blaming the teacher, the "we neeed  another bizillion funneled into baltimore schools.,,,,,,,,,IT WILL DO NOTHING........because its a problem with their community and parents, and what goes on when they are not in school

we have got SO lazy in america, if you look at a civil war documentary......you see soldiers (poor, the LOWEST class) writin letters back to home that sound like the fucking kings english.......and they learn in far-less-then-ideal circumstancs............ .but out lower class tosay cannot read or write, cause their communities have gone so far off the deep end

[Marty Champions]

if blacks had jobs

if it was embarassing for a black to not work

this is what needs to happen to change the current mind construct

[Captain Equipoise]

if blacks had jobs

if it was embarassing for a black to not work

this is what needs to happen to change the current mind construct

For once I'm in full agreement with teh Failcan

[wes]

Big Mal,you`re a good man.

[walkoffhomerun1]

There are lies and then there are statistics. Black Americans make up 12% of the total U.S. population with White Americans making up the vast majority. Using a population sample from each you're gonna have a skewed result that whites out perform blacks. Of course.. you have more white kids to draw from to justify your position.

Nonsense.....

[Wiggs]

Bitch im a college grad too.. Morehouse

Fixed...

[Captain Equipoise]

There are lies and then there are statistics. Black Americans make up 12% of the total U.S. population with White Americans making up the vast majority. Using a population sample from each you're gonna have a skewed result that whites out perform blacks. Of course.. you have more white kids to draw from to justify your position. Also more white parents are able to afford to not only send their kids to good schools but also have the time to nurture their kids educational pursuits. How many of "us" here were latch key kids? How many of us had to take our own initiative in doing our homework and studying? I'm in my 30's as well and I'm sure Wiggs, Mal, Parker can agree with me that we grew up during a very different time than today. When it comes to articles such as these I choose not to read them. It's the same as knowing that people set you up to fail then blame you for failing..

You should compare those stats to how many blacks aged 18-55 are in lockup compared to whites..., but of course in the end it's always the white man giving it to the minorities.. all those black fellas in jail really didn't commit any crimes, we just wanted to be asshole racists and lock them up for the hell of it right ?

[Wiggs]

I guess I dont share the same interest in other men genitalia as you 'guys' do ...

Only because it's hard to see out of slits....

[BIG DUB]

You should compare those stats to how many blacks aged 18-55 are in lockup compared to whites..., but of course in the end it's always the white man giving it to the minorities.. all those black fellas in jail really didn't commit any crimes, we just wanted to be asshole racists and lock them up for the hell of it right ?

You need to wake the fuck up.. it's common knowledge that for the same crime Blacks are more likely to not only be incarcerated but locked up for a longer time.

[Captain Equipoise]

You need to wake the fuck up.. it's common knowledge that for the same crime Blacks are more likely to not only be incarcerated but locked up for a longer time.

Is that right ?.. why don't you present some proof or evidence of this, next you're gonna tell me that a white man started the crack epidemic in the 1980's...



Ricky Donnell Ross (born April 30, 1960[1]), also known as "Freeway" Ricky Ross , is a convicted drug trafficker best known for the "drug empire" that he presided over in Los Angeles, in the early 1980s.[2] The nickname "Freeway" came from Ross's ownership of several properties along the Harbor Freeway. His old house he grew up in is where a freeway now stands.[3] During the height of his drug dealing, Ross claims to have made "$2 millions in one day."

[Captain Equipoise]

thats the whole thing........there are such unrealistic expectations placed on teacher........you simply CANNOT teach an animal


they want the fucking teacher to be magicians, goinng outt of their way.......staying after school........busting their ass.......MOST TEACHER GET PAID fucking 40 some thousand a year, people are lucky they are trying at all

you see it shouldnt matter how hard teachers try, or how boring they are.,........if they sit up there are read like ben stein from the wonder years out of a book......it shouldnt fucking matter, children should have the discipline instilled by their parents to sit there, and learn


my grandparents all went to one room school houses, where there was a book, a desk, a black board, and a shitty teacher............but they sat and learned abnd became very succesful in life

like 'toxic avenger' said every engineering and math department in the colleges BEST UNIVERSITIES are filled with indians, and east asians, and pakastanis.........who learned in fuckin DIRT TENTS, sitting on logs in the middle of a dirt village...........and they are wipign the floor with us, because they try their asses off, their parents discipline them, and convey the importance of gettin gout of poverty..............


its a fucking lie, all the politicians blaming the teacher, the "we neeed  another bizillion funneled into baltimore schools.,,,,,,,,,IT WILL DO NOTHING........because its a problem with their community and parents, and what goes on when they are not in school

we have got SO lazy in america, if you look at a civil war documentary......you see soldiers (poor, the LOWEST class) writin letters back to home that sound like the fucking kings english.......and they learn in far-less-then-ideal circumstancs............ .but out lower class tosay cannot read or write, cause their communities have gone so far off the deep end

OMG this is so true, I look back now on growing up and kids I knew (I grew up in East Europe) where all the kids busted their asses off, did all sorts of extra curricular functions, after school programs, advanced learning courses, foreign language studies (thus my superior command of the English language) and math/arithmetic building skills plus other skillsets, what do the kids do here? watch tv, play video games and eat themselves into obesity, how many young kids join scouts anymore or learn survival training, etc. ?!?! this world is getting fucked, these loser kids these days have no ambitions or dreams, I blame the mtv reject generation for this.

[Lundgren]

Correct me if I'm wrong Wiggs, but since 12.4% of the population in the US are black, why is it so bad that only 5% are black males in college?

Maybe I am way off but if 12.4% of the population are black, meaning 6.2% are black males then why is 5% such a bad number?

I think your leaving out there's about 20 percent non blacks that are either too old, or aren't legal americans, that creates the difference. But just a guess. not sure.

[tommywishbone]

This thread needs more pictures.

[Lundgren]

Wouldn't it be better if you just didn't say anything?  

Whatever dude I think I got a point. there 12.6 percent but that's if you include immigrants that were educated elsewhere, or ones that are not educated at all. Or older white folk who make up a larger portion of old folk.

What I mean is black youth are about 20 percent of the young population due to different birth rates, and immigration, so they should have about 10 percent black males in uni. Don't tune me out I'm mildly stable at the moment .

[Firemuscle]

 Working class and poor people in the US are getting stomped down more and more by the system.

 Not just blacks, but all poor people are getting fucked over there.

[Lundgren]

This makes sense, but still, one would have to check demographics and see how many kids in "college age" there are in the US and then the percentage of black people in "college age" vs percentage of black college students (5%) to make a real assessment of the situation.

one would I'll keep you posted when I find data that can be trusted so far I got 42 percent of black goto uni versus 63 national average which would make a rate of 6 right if there 17 percent of pop;

[Captain Equipoise]

one would I'll keep you posted when I find data that can be trusted so far I got 42 percent of black goto uni versus 63 national average which would make a rate of 6 right if there 17 percent of pop;

That 42% would drop to about 12% if you didn't count sport scholarships and so on..lol

remember, every decent uni needs a good football and basketball team.

[Crossbow]

The situation for black kids might be bleak, but don't fall into any false sense of security that white kids in the US are doing much better:

Full report with lots of stats on

http://www.hks.harvard.edu/pepg/PDF/Papers/PEPG10-19_HanushekPetersonWoessmann.pdf

[Captain Equipoise]

The situation for black kids might be bleak, but don't fall into any false sense of security that white kids in the US are doing much better:

Full report with lots of stats on

http://www.hks.harvard.edu/pepg/PDF/Papers/PEPG10-19_HanushekPetersonWoessmann.pdf

Not surprised whatsoever that the top 3 countries are Hong Kong, Taiwan and Finland

[big L dawg]

[20inch calves]

people can say its the teachers, ect. but you also have to have parents that care about your education. the PARENTS need to push the kid to do well in school