Question for everyone. Please....

[Hugo Chavez]

I'd like people's honest answers.  I won't be judging anyone in what they say and I will listen to and weigh everyone's answers.  This is just for myself, not to make a big issue of.  I won't even reply unless you guys ask me a question.  I would just really like to hear what you guys have to say on the matter.

Should we(America) really give a rats ass if some country in the middle of South American or anywhere turns commie or socialist?

If yes why is it important that we interfere with what they want?

I realise the question is a bit dated having mostly moved on to fighting radical islam but obviously there is still a secondary battleground not as largly talked about.

[MM2K]

Because Communism is responsible for over 100 million deaths in the 20th century.

[Brixtonbulldog]

yes

communism thrives off of a need to spread.  the only post cold war successful communist countries either have to accept a certain amount of capitalist economics, traditional monarch style royalty, an influx of foreign business or trade, or some combination of the above.  communism practiced during soviet expansion could be more strict as it fed from soviet bloc countries and burgeoning socialist nations.

[Hugo Chavez]

quick thanks for the answers.  thank you.

[Cy Tolliver]

Because Communism is responsible for over 100 million deaths in the 20th century.

so what does that have to do with us?

 

[w8m8]

I'd like people's honest answers.  I won't be judging anyone in what they say and I will listen to and weigh everyone's answers.  This is just for myself, not to make a big issue of.  I won't even reply unless you guys ask me a question.  I would just really like to hear what you guys have to say on the matter.

Should we(America) really give a rats ass if some country in the middle of South American or anywhere turns commie or socialist?

If yes why is it important that we interfere with what they want?

I realise the question is a bit dated having mostly moved on to fighting radical islam but obviously there is still a secondary battleground not as largly talked about.

Being aware and giving a rats ass are two different things ... we should be aware of everything that goes on around the world and how it could affect us .. but interfering is a lot of what people find offensive about America .. I'd rather see a socialist government than communist only because it doesn't limit the control of the economy as much ... but either way .. unless and until other countries ask for our guidance or assistance we need to butt out

[loco]

The US doesn't care and has never cared.  The US borrows money from a Communist country, China, so that the US can fund wars to spread Democracy in the Middle East.

[Cohibia]

Because Communism Religion is responsible for over 100 million deaths in the 20th century.

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Palin-Bachmann 2012!

[Soul Crusher]

I'd like people's honest answers.  I won't be judging anyone in what they say and I will listen to and weigh everyone's answers.  This is just for myself, not to make a big issue of.  I won't even reply unless you guys ask me a question.  I would just really like to hear what you guys have to say on the matter.

Should we(America) really give a rats ass if some country in the middle of South American or anywhere turns commie or socialist?

If yes why is it important that we interfere with what they want?

I realise the question is a bit dated having mostly moved on to fighting radical islam but obviously there is still a secondary battleground not as largly talked about.

Socialist in the sense of Western Europe is one thing, and can be benign, but definately not communism.  Communism is an inherently evil and murderous ideology that spreads like a bubonic plague unless contained and wiped out.  

And yes we should care about it, because as communism spreads, it destroys and kills everything in its wake.    

[Soul Crusher]

[loco]

Because Communism Religion is responsible for over 100 million deaths in the 20th century.

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Palin-Bachmann 2012!

Really?  Religion is responsible for over 100 million deaths in the 20th century?  How old are you, 9?  Did you go to school?

[Arnold jr]

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Really?  Religion is responsible for over 100 million deaths in the 20th century?  How old are you, 9?  Did you go to school?

Agreed. Being that communism is often rooted in atheism, it's hard to argue that "Religion" in the sense of the word we're accustomed to is responsible for the deaths caused by communism. Of course you can easily, very easily make the argument that atheism in of itself is a type of religion, but that's another argument.

Obviously the USSR and China are our prime examples, both which have experienced the need for total eradication of certain groups of people in order for their communist society to grow.

[Soul Crusher]

Agreed. Being that communism is often rooted in atheism, it's hard to argue that "Religion" in the sense of the word we're accustomed to is responsible for the deaths caused by communism. Of course you can easily, very easily make the argument that atheism in of itself is a type of religion, but that's another argument.

Obviously the USSR and China are our prime examples, both which have experienced the need for total eradication of certain groups of people in order for their communist society to grow.

Anrold - go check out the tranny thread.  I wish Dinesh had that info prior to releasing his book we both read.  

As for Hugo's thread - i am as anti-commie as you will ever meet.  

[Arnold jr]

To answer the question directly, should we be concerned about other communist states?

Yes if it infringes upon us. If it threatens our safety, our liberty, our economy, our way of life, then yes, it is a concern and should be dealt with. If this means interfering, then so be it.

Second point, this is where it gets a little sticky. Should we mind our own business and first and foremost worry about the concerns of the U.S.? Absolutely, but if we are aware of massive human violations, if we are aware of thousands and even millions being killed and have the ability to stop it, should we? If you knew your neighbor was getting ready to kill his wife and kids would you say, "That's his house, he can do what he wants, it's not my concern" or would you go over there and stop it? Of course dealing with an entire country versus dealing with one single neighbor is two different eggs, but it's the best example I can think of.

Last point, and this has already been touched on, communism by its nature, can only succeed with continual growth...it must continually spread in order to survive, it is not self-sufficient. This raises a concern, because it can only spread so far before its effects start effecting its neighbors and eventually the U.S.

In my opinion, my first reaction is to say, we should be more of an isolationist people, what the U.S. does is all that matters for us as U.S. citizens. But the moral and ethical dilemma as well as the understanding of the nature of communism raises serious questions that can't be ignored.  

[loco]

Agreed. Being that communism is often rooted in atheism, it's hard to argue that "Religion" in the sense of the word we're accustomed to is responsible for the deaths caused by communism. Of course you can easily, very easily make the argument that atheism in of itself is a type of religion, but that's another argument.

Obviously the USSR and China are our prime examples, both which have experienced the need for total eradication of certain groups of people in order for their communist society to grow.

I know many people believe that communism and atheism are religions, and they have their arguments for that.  But I personally am not convinced that they are religions.

But let's say for a moment that communism and atheism are religions.  That would mean that the religion of communism or that the religion of atheism is responsible for millions of deaths in the 20th century.  That's more than all the other religions combined.  Therefore, we still couldn't make a blanket statement that religion in general is responsible for millions of deaths in the 20th century. 

So we are back to square one, and Cohibia's blanket statement would be incorrect, while MM2K's statement is still correct:

Because Communism is responsible for over 100 million deaths in the 20th century.

[Soul Crusher]

Communism is inherently an evil ideology since it can only be accomplished by blood, force, coercion, and destruction of the individual.

I love when the communists in this this nation say:  "pure communism was never really tried" and make all sorts of excuses for the deaths of hundred million people in defens of this satanic slave ship. 

The botton line is that unless you have a gun pointed at every citizen, communism never works.   

 

[loco]

Communism is inherently an evil ideology since it can only be accomplished by blood, force, coercion, and destruction of the individual.

I love when the communists in this this nation say:  "pure communism was never really tried" and make all sorts of excuses for the deaths of hundred million people in defens of this satanic slave ship.  

The botton line is that unless you have a gun pointed at every citizen, communism never works.  

 

Speak of the Devil...

Chinese father punished for food safety activism

Nov 10, 2010

BEIJING – A father who organized a support group for other parents whose children were sickened in one of China's worst food safety scandals was convicted and sentenced Wednesday to 2 1/2 years in prison for inciting social disorder, his lawyer said.

Zhao Lianhai had pushed for greater official accountability and compensation for victims and their families after the 2008 scandal that shocked China. His sentence appeared particularly severe because the case related to a public safety incident that the embarrassed leadership had pledged to tackle in a bid to restore consumer confidence.

"We'd expected it to be much less than that. It is such a harsh sentence," lawyer Li Fangping said. "The crimes he was accused of were nothing more than what regular citizens would do to defend their rights."

Zhao, a Beijing resident whose young son was among the nearly 300,000 children sickened by melamine-tainted milk, vowed to appeal and began a hunger strike to protest the verdict, Li said.

Zhao set up an online forum to share information about the poisonings in 2008 after his son, then 3, was diagnosed with kidney stones.

"When he heard that his sentence was two and a half years, he was appalled, and he pushed away a sign that was in front of him, and said, 'I'm not guilty. I want to appeal.' He tried to remove his prison uniform, and refused to be handcuffed," Li said.

Amnesty International condemned the sentence.

"We are appalled that the authorities have imprisoned a man the Chinese public rightly view as a protector of children, not a criminal," said Catherine Baber, the human rights group's Asia-Pacific deputy director.

Zhao, a former reporter and media advertising salesman, has been jailed since he was taken away by police in November 2009.

His sentence appears to be part of a trend of growing intolerance for government critics and independent social activists. Environmentalists, AIDS activists and lawyers who took on sensitive cases have disappeared, been locked up, or otherwise harassed, while this year's Nobel Peace Prize recipient, dissident writer Liu Xiaobo, is serving an 11-year prison sentence for subversion handed down after he co-authored a call for widespread reform of the authoritarian, one-party political system.

Li said prosecutors leveled three charges against Zhao: That he organized a gathering of a dozen parents of sick children at a restaurant, held a paper sign in front of a court and factory involved in the scandal as a protest, and gave media interviews in a public place.

Six children died and hundreds of thousands were sickened by baby formula tainted with melamine, which can cause kidney stones and kidney failure. The industrial chemical, used in the manufacture of plastics and fertilizer, was added to watered-down milk to increase profits and fool inspectors testing for protein.

Several dairy industry figures were prosecuted and punished, including three people given the death penalty.

The general manager and chairwoman of Sanlu, the company at the heart of the scandal, was given a life sentence. Dozens of officials, dairy executives and farmers have been punished for allowing the contamination to take place.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101110/ap_on_he_me/as_china_tainted_milk_trial

[Deicide]

Agreed. Being that communism is often rooted in atheism, it's hard to argue that "Religion" in the sense of the word we're accustomed to is responsible for the deaths caused by communism. Of course you can easily, very easily make the argument that atheism in of itself is a type of religion, but that's another argument.

Obviously the USSR and China are our prime examples, both which have experienced the need for total eradication of certain groups of people in order for their communist society to grow.

Hate to point it out but we wiped out the Native Americans in order to expand our society. Everyone does it; some do it in the name of religion, some do in the same of political religion, which is what communism is.

[Deicide]

I know many people believe that communism and atheism are religions, and they have their arguments for that.  But I personally am not convinced that they are religions.

But let's say for a moment that communism and atheism are religions.  That would mean that the religion of communism or that the religion of atheism is responsible for millions of deaths in the 20th century.  That's more than all the other religions combined.  Therefore, we still couldn't make a blanket statement that religion in general is responsible for millions of deaths in the 20th century. 

So we are back to square one, and Cohibia's blanket statement would be incorrect, while MM2K's statement is still correct:

You're always leaving out the 20th century technology bit. What do you think the nutcases of the Middle Ages would have done if they had had trains, planes, guns and bombs? hmm...

[Soul Crusher]

Hate to point it out but we wiped out the Native Americans in order to expand our society. Everyone does it; some do it in the name of religion, some do in the same of political religion, which is what communism is.

The Native Americans never laid claim to the land geographically in the sense as we know it today.   They were waring tribes and different factions and often worked against one another just like street gangs here do. 

 

[Deicide]

The Native Americans never laid claim to the land geographically in the sense as we know it today.   They were waring tribes and different factions and often worked against one another just like street gangs here do. 

 

Maybe. Europeans still killed them off (by intention and disease), whether they were one specific people or not does not matter. The point I am making is that every major civilisation has done things like this.

[loco]

You're always leaving out the 20th century technology bit. What do you think the nutcases of the Middle Ages would have done if they had had trains, planes, guns and bombs? hmm...

Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, etc. had 20th century technology in the 20th century as well, yet they are not the ones who murdered millions of innocent people, not even close.  Only Atheist Communists have done that.

[Deicide]

Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, etc. had 20th century technology as well, yet they are not the ones who murdered millions of innocent people, not even close.  Only Atheist Communists have done that.

I am talking about the Catholic Church of the Middle Ages...you are intentionally cutting corners here.

[loco]

I am talking about the Catholic Church of the Middle Ages...you are intentionally cutting corners here.

20th century technology was available to every religion in the 20th century, including the Roman Catholic Church.  And again, they are not the ones who murdered millions of innocent people, not even close.  Only Atheist Communists have done that.

[Soul Crusher]

I am talking about the Catholic Church of the Middle Ages...you are intentionally cutting corners here.

    

Please - the "Catholic Church" at its worst does not even show up on the radar compared compared to what the secular aetheist communists have done.